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#363860
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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Fine and dandy but could you do it on the After Adywan thread please, that's what the thread is for.

When you have enough done to call a project you could start a thread specific to your project (but if you are building on Ady's work please remember to give him due credit).

This thread is specifically for posts about ANH:R and not anything you might come up with.

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#363840
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So i used to like Star Trek V when i was younger and now i find it almost unwatchable it is so bad.
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I think when people got to a cinema they want to see a piece of cinema, if they want to watch television they will stay at home and watch television.

The rules for cinema drama are very different from that of television.

It's largely a question of scale, even an intimate piece of cinema should approach the small with a greater richness and depth than television can afford.

With something with the scope of space opera there should be a more epic sweep in a cinema presentation than in television.

What can only be achieved in a few key places in a long running show should be the full focus of a cinema film.

C3PX said :

Interesting take on First Contact being a remake of Aliens, and Aliens being a remale of THEM!. I have seen all three movies, and acknowledge that there is a similar theme, but I have a hard time seeing them as "remakes". They all fit into the us vs. the hoards of monsters! sub-genre of sci-fi/horror, but I think the similarities of the three end there. Movies with this theme are fun to watch, so tons of them have been made. It is exciting to see your protagonist survive against the odds when vastly outnumbered, and it is entertaining to watch as all the characters but the main ones get slowly picked off one by one. There are countless movies with this theme.

A survivor of a previous encounter with a deadly enemy, suffering from nightmares and survivor guilt and the distrust of people above them in the chain of authority, is plunged back into another encounter in an isolated community. The enemy infiltrate the hero's stronghold converting a large area near a reactor into a hive, capturing comrades with an eye to reproduce. They kidnap a key character and in rescuing said character the hero encounters a previously unseen Queen controller version of the enemy.

Aliens or First Contact?

Aliens resembles THEM! in various other ways, it's also rather like the Doctor Who story The Ark In Space.

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#363821
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So i used to like Star Trek V when i was younger and now i find it almost unwatchable it is so bad.
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The plot for the final act of Star Trek V is rather similar to Who Mourns for Adonais? .

The God thing could even be a member of the same race.

I think there's enough there for a dedicated fan to do a Revisted style redux.

The film will never be a classic but it's nowhere near as bad as some people make out, neither is Nemesis which almost identical to the current film which everyone seems to be getting so excited about (even if it was a virtual remake of TWOK).

First Contact on the other hand is vastly overated, it's basically a remake of Aliens (which was a remake of THEM!) it still got some nice bits in it but it did also introduce the bloody Borg Queen which contributed to the dilution of all that made those Cyberman/Cenobite hydrids so chilling in the first place.

Other than TMP all the Star Trek films were just glorified television episodes (usually rehashes of OS episodes, even TMP is guilty of that but at least it looked cinematic, but lacking any of the originality of the mother series) including the Colonel Abrams one.

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#363818
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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Naturally Ady will be doing his own DVD cover/poster (he is a skilled artist on top of all the other things he does).

At the risk of sounding boring (and more of a tad hypocritical with my off topic track record), it might be better to put poster and DVD art ideas onto the other threads that are kicking around and keep this thread free for the few ESB barrel scrapings we may have left.

We aren't going to get any new clips and the edit is still a long time off so we might as well accept that this thread will slow down for a while.

If we get any flashes of inspiration or if Ady makes any new announcement or calls for assistance that's fine but I think some of the reason for some of the Grimm Bros style attacks and general meanderings off topic (of which I am as guilty as the rest of us) are down to not having anything new to comment on or say on this subject for the time being.

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#363816
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Star Wars: The Trilogy **PROJECT STALLED DUE TO HARD DRIVE FAILURE**
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wwdarth said:

Hmmmm.  If you cut from "Give yourself to the dark side"...to "Never!!"....you're really missing a HUGE moment in the entire Star Wars saga.  There would be no spark to set off Luke to "use his anger' and really dance the line of turning to the dark side.  I applaud your creativity, but I can't agree with robbing Jedi of arguably it's most powerful moment.

I agree, that's the real problem and it's set up by Lucas changing Force use into a inherited trait instead of something that is obtainable by even the most humble of farm boys.

If anyone could be a Jedi it wouldn't be necessary for Leia to be his sister to be the other.

Vader could still threaten to turn the love of his life, just as much as his only other living relative, making it the Force choosing people rather than choosing dynasties.

I can't really see a realistic way out of that other than keeping it the way it is.

Seperated siblings is a classic story motif and in real cases of that sort there is often a strong physical attraction (sometimes even after the relationship is revealed for what it is).

It's a bit dark and gritty for a film with cute teddy bear warriors but Star Wars does seem to have an identity crisis between being adult fantasy and a fairy tale with lasers.

 

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#363811
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Davnes007 said:

Just to let you know: I finally got around to 'improving' the beta version of my "Meeting on Dagobah" video. It's mostly the same, with just a few improvements some people on here might like (or dislike?).

Anyway, here it is, in all it's glory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVYndHkM9F0

 

I'll probably attempt some radical edits to the rest of the movie in the near future. Keep those ideas flowing! :)

It might work better if Yoda doesn't leave the ship until he steps outside to start his exile.

Moving the meditation and Bail's anouncement to the bridge of the Tantive.

I don't know if it's possible to move the arrival of Obi-Wan and Padme etc to the same corridor where Vader will later storm in ANH is possible but it would have a certain story resonance.

Watching this lovely mockup reminded me of something else which is a bit odd.

Why does R2 find it so amusing that his droid friend is about to be lobotomised?

Surely he should be making sounds of concern?

Compare it to the scene where Threepio is damaged and begs to be left behind in ANH R2 isn't laughing his little dome off there.

I like the way that Padme seems to have a telepathic link with Anakin and his pain is killing her not her just giving up.

That said, I would love to see an attempt to have Padme survive and live the rest of her short life on Alderaan so that Leia can remember her but people keen on her not being Luke's sister would not approve.

It would add to the confusion that Vader feels when he is told she is dead.

 

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#363714
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Star Wars: The Trilogy **PROJECT STALLED DUE TO HARD DRIVE FAILURE**
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In a universe where Luke and Leia aren't twins it opens up the possibility that the other is Anakin himself.

Which sort of lets Ben and Yoda seem less like patricide keen gits.

They intuitively know that Anakin might turn back at the last minute, if Luke can keep from turning but can't interfere in the process for reasons best known to Jedi.

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#363703
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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If anything deserves to be an internet meme it's that poster.

I'm over the moon about the no neck Vader fix.

I'm in two minds about mentioning this because in a perverse sort of way it's one of my favorite things in ESB but also something that takes me out of the film and pretty much has done since I was a kid.

It sounds so slight too.

When the Falcon is escaping from Bespin, Leia points at the Executor and states rather flatly (without any exclamation) "Star Destroyer".

It cracks me up for some reason everytime (as does the bit where Ilya does pretty much the same thing in ST:TMP, "V'ger" but she's a robot and Leia is a human being possibly facing a fate worse than death).

Is there some way of changing it so it doesn't resemble this classic Flaming Carrot image?

Horse

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#363552
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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brash_stryker said:
Bingowings said:

Plenty of houses have cellars, garages and the last castle of the British, garden sheds but not in flats but I doubt if many American apartments have basements (especially on the upper floors). We do have air conditioning (it's called a window) and we often have to pay for healthcare (or just go without it).

 

Well I've never met anyone in the UK with a basement/cellar. Obviously they exist, all I'm saying though is that they're pretty uncommon. And by free healthcare, I meant the NHS.

I hope you never find yourself or your family in need of medical attention which the NHS refuses to fund it's very common, the time of free health care for all is long gone.

Cellars are not a common feature of modern built houses (though attics are) but are quite common in older houses where they were often used to store coal which fuelled the other end of the air conditioning system...a fire, I've lived in a few and known quite a few friends with cellars but I've never seen one on a new build.

Almost every new build house I've lived in has had one shed but flats don't have cellars or sheds even in other countries (I think the downstairs neighbours would object).

 

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#363551
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How would you have done ROTJ?
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The main problem for me is the tone of the piece (it feels like the film makers are in a rush to get this Star Wars thing done and dusted, which to some extent they were).

The aliens in Jabba's Palace were a bit too cartoonish, admittedly some of the aliens in the Cantina sequence of ANH were too but that could be put down to lower budget and lower expectations after ESB we had come to expect a more polished and thought out series of films to continue on and instead it became a rather goofy love affair with Jim Henson because Yoda had been such a hit, which pathed the way for Jar-Jar decades later).

The Empire seems very big in ANH and ESB but shrinks in scale in ROTJ because of the percieved need to wrap it all up in this one film (which is compounded by the removal of all the characters which could pose the dreaded "What happens next?" question (Jabba, Fett, Yoda, Vader, even The Empire itself all fold in one film when each should be an event or needn't happen at all).

Obviously Han needs to be rescued so Act One is logical (but should be played less for laughs), Jabba's palace should be a place where danger is real and possibly we could have lost a major hero here (Lando or Chewie seem to make sense) this would make the beginning of this episode as tense as the ending of ESB.

Fett should either not be in the film or be doing something else and doesn't need to die.

Yoda dying of old age at that point where Luke still needs training doesn't work either.

Vader needs to be more active a threat, so possibly keeping the Emperor out of the film or slowly introducing more of him would have given him more room to do what he does best and having a rival for him (in the form of Jejerrod) to put down was a good move in the early treatments which they were unwise to remove.

Rather than going against a new Death Star they should have had a production line, a giant space dock churning out lots of the things.

The destruction of the Death Star in ANH was a real feel good moment in that film and a major victory for the Rebels, if the Empire started to mass produce the things the Rebellion wouldn't stand a chance so having a Guns Of Navarone story where this is a now or never situation for the Rebels would be bigger than destroying just one more Death Star.

Lucas explanation for replacing the Wookees with Ewoks never made sense.

Chewie is a co-pilot but that doesn't necessarily mean that all Wookees are technologically advanced.

He could have been trained to fly the Falcon just as a person from an Amazonian Tribal Society could be trained to fly a plane but the rest of his tribe still live a primitive lifestyle.

The idea of the banishment of Jar-Jar could be a re-cycle of what was originally intended for Chewie.

He was banished and had to learn to use technology to get along in the sort of world Han moved in and returning home for him may have been made difficult for him but necessary for the plot.

The battles in space and on the ground should feel like real battles with a cast of characters we know a bit about so when they die or are threatened we care.

In a few moments of screen time Red Leader and Biggs come across as real people painted in broad strokes, I actually cared when Porkins blew up.

I didn't really care at all for any of the pilots in ROTJ, even Wedge seemed to be protected by a force field of "they wouldn't dare" energy.

With my suggestions over in the ESB/ROTJ Wishlist I've tried to promote some ideas to put back in some of that missing scale but I think the real problem was in the script stage.

They took away a lot of the wrong things from earlier draughts (some of the changes were very necessary, Ben coming back to life for example was a bit out there) but Lucas does seem to get a bit twitchy about certain ideas and his heart didn't seem to be in it so much as fear of spending too much and not making enough back.

 

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#363548
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MARK HAMILL ON BBC TV- ASK ASPEL SHOW- MAY 1980-AUDIO RECORDING ON YOUTUBE.
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It's possibly a toss-up between Ask Aspel and Blue Peter when the first (UK at least) mention of Revenge Of The Jedi was made.

I have a very vivid memory not only of the show in general but this one in particular (even though I was only 10 years old).

It was one of the reasons why I was vocal about suggesting the title be restored last week was remembering three very formative years where the title was one of the few things I knew about the next episode after such a cliff hanger.

Most viewers won't remember the feeling of watching ESB and having to wait three years to find out what happened next or just how important it could be to someone of that age.

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#363538
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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brash_stryker said:
rcb said:

 that's crap! no offense to ur country of course.

Same goes for air conditioning.

At least we have free healthcare though :)

 

Plenty of houses have cellars, garages and the last castle of the British, garden sheds but not in flats but I doubt if many American apartments have basements (especially on the upper floors). We do have air conditioning (it's called a window) and we often have to pay for healthcare (or just go without it).

 

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#363536
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Info &amp; Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist
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LexX said:
BarBar Jinkx said:

I would love to see an Xwing or TIE fighters Buzz the emperors tower in RotJ

 

but it would have to be sublte to not take away from the sceen

 

 The shield was on.

We did see a model shot of TIE's very close to the outside of the Emperor's tower, so there shouldn't be a reason (other than they being very busy elsewhere at the time) for us not to be able to see them doing a fly by from his window (if that's what you mean).

 

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#363469
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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Do Wampas suffer from learning difficulties and selflessly spend most of their lives caring for elderly parents only to become the target of rather callous humour after unexpectedly being thrust into the centre of a media circus?

Julie Kirkbride on the other hand did double dip for both of her ice caves.