Bingowings

fishmanlee said:

well i was thinking vaders could be fatter or bigger/redder than lukes or something

F'nah F'nah, oh Matron! (or "That's what she said" for American readers).

I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer I gave some moments ago :

Bingowings said:

fishmanlee said:

i was wondering (dont know if this is the right thread) if there should/could be differences in the sabers lazer sizes like broadsword size rapier size and so on

Seeing as in the OT the sabre fights are clearly between people who use similar weapons it might be more a PT edit idea so perhaps you could post it on the Prequel Radical Redux Thread.

With Maul's double ender being around in the prequel era I could imagine a few more variations being around back then but I can't see it happening in the OT especially not in ESB.

 

fishmanlee said:

i was wondering (dont know if this is the right thread) if there should/could be differences in the sabers lazer sizes like broadsword size rapier size and so on

Seeing as in the OT the sabre fights are clearly between people who use similar weapons it might be more a PT edit idea so perhaps you could post it on the Prequel Radical Redux Thread.

With Maul's double ender being around in the prequel era I could imagine a few more variations being around back then but I can't see it happening in the OT especially not in ESB.

vaderios said:

The little girl that appears in the funeral has no purpose at all....

Maybe we can use that for Leia.

-Angel

She would be important for people who want to use the deleted scenes from AOTC to pad Padme's half of the romance out because she appears in those deleted scenes as Padme's niece but otherwise yeah, would it be OTT to give her the hairy headphones?

Would Vader think she was dead or would she still be openly alive (but lost the child) and he can't reveal himself to her because of his new persona?

If Padme did live on how would she eventually die?

Assassin, disease, mercy mission?

Davnes007 said:

SilverKey said:

Davnes, since you are working on the meeting on Dagobah and the birth of the twins, can I make a suggestion? In ROTJ, Leia says she remembers her mother, but the birth scene in ROTS is the only time they spend together.

What I've done is removed the spot (in Jedi) where Luke says "...your real mother". It's not worth posting a 5 second change on YouTube...so may do some more work on that part to make it better.

SilverKey continued:

How about we make Leia being born the first. It wouldn't require a lot of editing, only switching around some dialogue. If we do this, Padme holds Leia for a while, and I was thinking of inserting a new shot of the baby opening her eyes, Padme looking at her, the baby looking back at her, with the Force theme playing underneath this little exchange. It's not much, but it could imply that the impression Leia has of her mother came to her through the Force.

Switching the dialog aroround would be very easy, but showing the baby's eyes opening would be A) Unrealistic; and B) Beyond my current skill set.

Thanx for your support SilverKey.

:)

 

I'm not sure if just removing the real from the line is enough.

From the way she describes her mother it's pretty clear it was originally meant to be the character that became Padme.

It might be better to show the twins being born and then do a series of time jumps showing the transition between the Republic era ships and Imperial era ships, (perhaps a few battles with the Alliance) the Clonetroopers and the Stormtroopers, have Padme die on Alderaan and see little Leia at her funeral on Alderaan (possibly aged 3 or 4) and finish with the construction of the Death Star with Peter playing Tarkin not Wayne in a Halloween mask.

Bingowings said:

If anything deserves to be an internet meme it's that poster.

I'm over the moon about the no neck Vader fix.

I'm in two minds about mentioning this because in a perverse sort of way it's one of my favorite things in ESB but also something that takes me out of the film and pretty much has done since I was a kid.

It sounds so slight too.

When the Falcon is escaping from Bespin, Leia points at the Executor and states rather flatly (without any exclamation) "Star Destroyer".

It cracks me up for some reason everytime (as does the bit where Ilya does pretty much the same thing in ST:TMP, "V'ger" but she's a robot and Leia is a human being possibly facing a fate worse than death).

Is there some way of changing it so it doesn't resemble this classic Flaming Carrot image?

Furthur to my earlier post above, is there any instance where Carrie says a line which could replace the delivery in this scene?

If not is it possible to manipulate her voice to make it fit the scene more?

Ady has done a great job adding the extended second, "Yes" to the hologram scene maybe something similar could be done to make that line more fitting to the predicament she's in.

Compare it with her delivery of the line, "Asteroids!".

In my opinion I think this was one idea they were right to change.

While throwing an old man down a lift shaft doesn't make up for a life largely devoted to evil, it is Vader's one redeeming act.

He steps in and saves his son when he could have hung on to a bit more life.

In the theatrical version Luke also does the right thing. By throwing away his weapon he rejects the path his father travelled down even if that means death.

Vader and Luke teaming up against Palpatine sounds more like the John Milius version (actually a John Milius style spoof cut would be a gas to watch). It's also rather like the PT duels of two good guys against one bad guy (or three when Mace tries to arrest Palpatine in ROTS).

When Luke throws away his weapon he wins, when Vader throws Palpatine down the shaft he stops losing.

If they both team up against the Emperor it just becomes a Force enhanced pissing contest.

You might as well have Vader retreive Luke's sabre and stab Palpatine in the back with it and declare himself Emperor.

People who objected to my suggestion of restoring the original title should be against a change of this sort (if it is possible to do).

Never ever throw away what you can give away or sell for charity.

I bet it's really Fury From The Deep.

I apologise if my request for information opened a can of worms.

I am grateful for the help I received (which I assure you didn't involve the exchange of money) it just seemed logical at the time to post the request of information about a piece of Blade Runner music on a thread associated with that score.

I made a similar request on a Star Wars related thread, received a similar level of assistance (which I was also grateful for) so I was a bit surprised to check up on this projects progress and find it had this unintended incendiary effect.

Sluggo said:

Are you talking about the avi's or the dvd's?

The avi's Sluggo.

fishmanlee said:

actually that scene with the ties is when the shield is down and lando is leading the attack

Even so the fighters are attacking both the capital ships and trying to stop the Rebels entering the superstructure.

Besides the focus is on Luke, Palpatine and Vader so having a bunch of fighters inexplicably wandering around may prove to be a bit of a distraction at that point in the film.

DarthBo said:

vaderios said:

Maybe the shields is in a frequency that allows all the IMP ships can fly inside it.

Maybe all that is science crap so ignore that :)

 

-Angel

There's no reason there wouldn't be TIEs on both sides of the shield so there's no need for your "science crap" ;-p

 

The Emperor's weakness is his over convidence, he dismissed his guards so I doubt if he would see the need for fighters to defend his tower (he can foresee every situation as far as he is concerned) and the Empire would no doubt deploy all it's ships into the battle on the other side of the shield.

It doesn't make much sense to have them in that scene.

If the 2 Death Star scenerio was employed however you could have a few ships closer much like the battle in ROTS.

 As for the duels. ESB's is definately the most dramatic, the best looking and has the most tension in it. The least interesting one for me is the one in TPM which looks like someone else playing a computer game with all that platform jumping and the illogical force field gates. I barely knew the characters, they don't even talk to each other, I already knew one of them would survive and I never got the feeling that the other two would. The Anakin/Obi-wan fight was similar but at least I got to know the characters long enough to have some emotional investment in it (not much though).

I doubt if TIE fighters would be floating around the Emperor's tower at that point of the film when there is a huge battle going on (wouldn't they be busy elsewhere?).

The ideal time to show TIEs that close would be just as he is settling in as an extension of the honour flight they threw for him when he landed or maybe a few during the scenes where Vader pays a visit where we see them outside the tower.

I'd recommend using VLC for screen captures as you can maintain the aspect ratio and there are a lot of pictures of TIE fighters out there if you want to search for them pointing in almost any direction you can imagine.

If you are using Photoshop to make your mockups adding a little motion blur to the fighters and adjusting the lighting will make them look more cinematic.

Janskeet said:

Sixth, I will be removing the "Wookies are known to do that" line. Unnecessary dialogue.

A) if you going to remove every non-essential line from the film you will end up with an almost silent movie, real life is full of non-essential information which provides colour and flavour to life. People don't spend their time just saying pertinant things, which is one of the reasons why much of the dialogue in the PT seems forced, it's mostly exposition and people don't talk that way so it doesn't sit well when they do it in fictional drama.

B) I think the line is pretty much essential as I explained earlier. It demonstrates the relationship between droids and non-droids, and provides us with a bit of character set up for the droids, Chewie and Han.

Like removing the Han smile I can't see how removing the line improves the scene in anyway.

You seem to be making changes just for the sake of making changes.

Changes should only be made when the material as it currently is causes or adds to a problem and removing it improves or clarifies some aspect of the story.

In this case the line doesn't cause any problems, in fact it serves a purpose and removing it improves and clarifies nothing.

I personally can't see how Han's smile is out of character or how removing it enhances the scene.

Obi-wan has just admitted that it's not just a simple passenger run and Han is smiling because he knows the job isn't going to be easy (and he may make more money because of it).

It's the non-verbal equivalent of the, "Yeah, right" he gives to Luke later in the scene.

Well, at least it's in the right thread here.

Fine and dandy but could you do it on the After Adywan thread please, that's what the thread is for.

When you have enough done to call a project you could start a thread specific to your project (but if you are building on Ady's work please remember to give him due credit).

This thread is specifically for posts about ANH:R and not anything you might come up with.

It's a very impressive painting and looks nothing like Mars and very much like Tatooine.

I think when people got to a cinema they want to see a piece of cinema, if they want to watch television they will stay at home and watch television.

The rules for cinema drama are very different from that of television.

It's largely a question of scale, even an intimate piece of cinema should approach the small with a greater richness and depth than television can afford.

With something with the scope of space opera there should be a more epic sweep in a cinema presentation than in television.

What can only be achieved in a few key places in a long running show should be the full focus of a cinema film.

C3PX said :

Interesting take on First Contact being a remake of Aliens, and Aliens being a remale of THEM!. I have seen all three movies, and acknowledge that there is a similar theme, but I have a hard time seeing them as "remakes". They all fit into the us vs. the hoards of monsters! sub-genre of sci-fi/horror, but I think the similarities of the three end there. Movies with this theme are fun to watch, so tons of them have been made. It is exciting to see your protagonist survive against the odds when vastly outnumbered, and it is entertaining to watch as all the characters but the main ones get slowly picked off one by one. There are countless movies with this theme.

A survivor of a previous encounter with a deadly enemy, suffering from nightmares and survivor guilt and the distrust of people above them in the chain of authority, is plunged back into another encounter in an isolated community. The enemy infiltrate the hero's stronghold converting a large area near a reactor into a hive, capturing comrades with an eye to reproduce. They kidnap a key character and in rescuing said character the hero encounters a previously unseen Queen controller version of the enemy.

Aliens or First Contact?

Aliens resembles THEM! in various other ways, it's also rather like the Doctor Who story The Ark In Space.

He no nuts he crazy.

The plot for the final act of Star Trek V is rather similar to Who Mourns for Adonais? .

The God thing could even be a member of the same race.

I think there's enough there for a dedicated fan to do a Revisted style redux.

The film will never be a classic but it's nowhere near as bad as some people make out, neither is Nemesis which almost identical to the current film which everyone seems to be getting so excited about (even if it was a virtual remake of TWOK).

First Contact on the other hand is vastly overated, it's basically a remake of Aliens (which was a remake of THEM!) it still got some nice bits in it but it did also introduce the bloody Borg Queen which contributed to the dilution of all that made those Cyberman/Cenobite hydrids so chilling in the first place.

Other than TMP all the Star Trek films were just glorified television episodes (usually rehashes of OS episodes, even TMP is guilty of that but at least it looked cinematic, but lacking any of the originality of the mother series) including the Colonel Abrams one.

Naturally Ady will be doing his own DVD cover/poster (he is a skilled artist on top of all the other things he does).

At the risk of sounding boring (and more of a tad hypocritical with my off topic track record), it might be better to put poster and DVD art ideas onto the other threads that are kicking around and keep this thread free for the few ESB barrel scrapings we may have left.

We aren't going to get any new clips and the edit is still a long time off so we might as well accept that this thread will slow down for a while.

If we get any flashes of inspiration or if Ady makes any new announcement or calls for assistance that's fine but I think some of the reason for some of the Grimm Bros style attacks and general meanderings off topic (of which I am as guilty as the rest of us) are down to not having anything new to comment on or say on this subject for the time being.

wwdarth said:

Hmmmm.  If you cut from "Give yourself to the dark side"...to "Never!!"....you're really missing a HUGE moment in the entire Star Wars saga.  There would be no spark to set off Luke to "use his anger' and really dance the line of turning to the dark side.  I applaud your creativity, but I can't agree with robbing Jedi of arguably it's most powerful moment.

I agree, that's the real problem and it's set up by Lucas changing Force use into a inherited trait instead of something that is obtainable by even the most humble of farm boys.

If anyone could be a Jedi it wouldn't be necessary for Leia to be his sister to be the other.

Vader could still threaten to turn the love of his life, just as much as his only other living relative, making it the Force choosing people rather than choosing dynasties.

I can't really see a realistic way out of that other than keeping it the way it is.

Seperated siblings is a classic story motif and in real cases of that sort there is often a strong physical attraction (sometimes even after the relationship is revealed for what it is).

It's a bit dark and gritty for a film with cute teddy bear warriors but Star Wars does seem to have an identity crisis between being adult fantasy and a fairy tale with lasers.

"Always two there are, a master..."

"and an apprentice"