Bingowings

It has to make sense from a fantasy perspective.

If Magic Muscle Hero’s warrior bride has her head cut off she has to evoke the power of the sword God to return from the grave to lend a hand once.
If she just grows a new head back for convenience sake that becomes a new established ‘fantasy’ fact you can’t switch off without inventing a new ‘fantasy’ law.

Excalibur is purposely returned to the lady of the lake to be returned to the once and future king at the moment when he is needed to return.
It didn’t just fall into the sea.

Lord Haseo said:

Bingowings said:
My suspicion is that after receiving their first wave of training a force user will make a shocking boss/family discovery which will throw them off guard in the next episode.

Wrong. Colin Trevorrow has stated that Rey’s origin will be explained in Episode IX

That’s not what I wrote, besides “KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHNNNNNNN!”

Both Leia

That’s just a lazy excuse, which is okay if it propels things forwards but sadly it’s more of a cannibalistic nostalgia thing.

Which eventually will run out of steam. In order to survive the series has to go beyond nostalgia (my main fear for Doctor Who too which still seems to think it’s in it’s 50th anniversary year).

Already the saga has done the whole good guys blowing up planet smasher routine twice.

For me that limit has already been passed.
My suspicion is that after receiving their first wave of training a force user will make a shocking boss/family discovery which will throw them off guard in the next episode.
It might not be the one I have been very vocal about but in terms of being parasitic on the two films that keep getting referenced it is the predictable element of the next episode.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrlPKW4mU30

Watch this space and maybe you will hear my sighs.

At the risk of contradicting myself RE ‘references’.
If Starkiller Base is re-purposed planet Naboo is pointedly declared hollow in TPM.
It might be a pointer of how evil these guys are and how screwy Kylo is if he turns the paradise garden planet that serves as his grandmother’s grave into a weapon dedicated to the memory of the man who loved and killed her.
As a edit possibility. Not sure if I like it but clearly some people are okay with that sort of thing.
It could be hinted at by a few Naboo ruins or a Gungan god half buried in the snow.

towne32 said:
“OMG Luke is alive but his beard didn’t survive VII.”

Now that I’ve seen the film I think I can make out the grave on Ireland Island.

In this instance it means creating an ‘entertainment’ out of a set of memory cues rather than out of a series of events.
I wouldn’t mind the baton of Anakin’s saber being passed down if it hadn’t been so decisively discarded in ESB.

It was one of my many problems with the Thrawn trilogy.
Finding a hand and a saber in the bowels of Cloud City would literally be like looking for a needle in a haystack and this is from an Empire that couldn’t find Artoo and Threepio with a head start.

I had very little problem with the concept of passing the Falcon down (indeed elsewhere on these boards I suggest making the Falcon feature more in the PT to serve this purpose) but I would have had a better way of getting Han and Chewie there to reclaim their lost property.

As for all the other ‘remember when this happened’ moments it just got weary making.
Especially in a film with so much going for it that was missing in the prequels.
It’s okay to do that sort of thing in a pastiche comedy show like Venture Bros or once in a while but this sort of spot the reference game is what reduces my enjoyment of modern Doctor Who and demolished my enjoyment of Ash vs Evil Dead.

The Star Wars galaxy is big enough to do new things in and call backs and nods to the fans should be kept to a minimum for maximum impact and plausibility.

I remembered the Prequel themes and was humming those once I stopped hitting my head on the car door on the way home.

I have a memory of humming the Imperial march and the Battle in the Forest but I was 10 and 13 so my memory might be playing tricks.

I have been listening to the soundtrack since seeing the film and I’m still not remembering the themes.

I speculated elsewhere on these boards that once the ladychimp approach was ditched for ROTJ an attempt might have been made to take the shape of the Emperor from ESB and render it into various masks and make-up combinations.

Famously Ian McDiamid was not the first choice for the role, it was to be played by an older actor who became unavailable at the last minute so Ian (who was the second choice) was used instead.

Perhaps single masks were considered to reduce the make up chair ordeal of the older actor (the name of which escapes me at the moment)?

As I say all speculation but just as Vader concept masks were recycled into The Death Star Droid in ANH, it’s possible the abandoned mask designs were redressed to be background aliens in the briefing scene.

Darth Lucas said:
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Snoke on the other hand took me way out of the movie the CGI was so obvious.

I’m convinced that the fakeness of the holograph is deliberate for future narrative reasons.

I suggested in the fan edit thread that the Republic could broadcast propaganda into First Order territory.
The Resistance could boost the signal past any jammers that First Order have.
We could hear it in the background on Jakku and in Maz’s bar.
General Hux’s speech on the base could be a response to troopers hearing those messages and spinning them as lies.
That way when the planet is dead, the signal dies too cutting off a direct and constant connection with the Republic without all those Senate scenes we had in the prequels.

I too find the new themes (other than Rey’s which is rather like something out of John Ford Western) a bit uninspired.

All the films 1-6 had memorable themes you could hum or whistle after leaving the cinema.

I didn’t have one this time.

BB8’s vocalisations were really good though, different from Artoo but as emotive.
The whole performance of BB8 was up with the droids in the first 2.5 movies and made me almost forget the indignities thrown at the true saga heroes in the prequels.

I don’t think he was being rude just informal. And yeah used the funniest footage irregardless 😄

As Han walks over to speak to Ken he could say, “I’ve got a good feeling about this”.
When Han is first pierced by the saber blade he could have a cheesy flashback to scenes from all the films and the Holiday Special to the second verse of Boston’s More Than A Feeling which could continue to play as Chewie rages and fires at Ken.

So many people have come and gone
Their faces fade as the years go by
Yet I still recall as I wander on
As clear as the sun in the summer sky

Cut to the sun shrinking and the sky darkening.

Maybe it would work if there was a broadcast that was getting through jamming into the First Order systems.

“The Voice of the Resistance” like this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkGvYcb36hg which was being sent from the Republic capital (like the BBC Empire Service/World Service).

It could be heard in the camps Jakku and maybe by some fluke get picked up by Finn’s helmet speaker.

It could also be broadcasting in the castle when the weapon is fired and then suddenly be cut short.

TV’s Frink said:

I hope Space Bear is the actual title.

I think you should make your episode VIII The Ridiculous Space Bear irregardless of what the final film is called.

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Any casting around Scotland? I rarely find myself down south these days.

Back in the first film narrative was propelled largely visually.
There were three exposition scenes Ben’s House, the Imperial conference room, the Rebel briefing. Every thing else was either dropped into conversation in a realistically casual way or done with wordless visual representations which wouldn’t look out of place in a silent movie.

The big scene which sums this up is the opening sequence of the plucky Rebel ship being swallowed by the giant great white shark of the Star Destroyer.

There are a few of these that work really well in TFA.
Rey cleaning her finds looks up and sees a departing ship and then notices an old lady cleaning her salvage.
It sums up her character’s situation in someways better than Luke’s twin sunset.

It’s moments like this a superior scriptwriter and director has the confidence to put into a film with lasers and robots. It gives us a human connection, such moments transcend cultural and linguistic differences.

Someone from the 30s would get it, someone from contemporary China would get it, someone from the Filipino army in the Battle of Reykjavik will get it in the 51st Century.

Doctor Who writer Robert Banks Stewart 84.
Most famous for creating the Zygons.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/rip-robert-banks-stewart-the-man-who-gave-doctor-who-o-1753183323

Cancer?

I am getting a bit tired of this thread being more about bashing the people commenting on it than about the films and the comments themselves.
Some people hold opinions about the film that some people don’t share.
Get over it.

There may be very tender and tasty vegetables on other planets.

There are some very fleshy mushrooms on ours.

I wanted to live with Grizzly Adams 😦

Dan was in the very first movie I ever saw in a cinema.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072399/
My uncle’s then girlfriend took me to see the film but we came in half way through and we hung behind and watched the beginning later.

It was sort of a precursor to Grizzly Adams (the film not the book) in the sense it was about wilderness living and an outcast character living in harmony with a natural predator. It’s also a sign of those times that a film set in Siberia was ‘moved’ to Alaska (where the story makes zero sense) because of the Cold War.

The lead and the support characters switched roles.
Thom Pace’s theme to Grizzly Adams haunted me much like Joan Baez’s songs for Silent Running
Once again informing my hippy attitudes to non-human terrestrial species.

Dan Haggerty 74.
http://hollywoodlife.com/2016/01/15/dan-haggerty-dead-cancer-grizzly-adams-actor-dies/