Bingowings

I'm sure that if enough people got together they could work their way through each frame removing scratches etc quite quickly (it would still take a long time but a lot less time than one or two people working on their own).

The sort of load of shit that cries to be let into the worst edit ideas thread.

We can't repel fan made pointless exposition of that magnitude!

 I love the way Vader flaps like a bat while departing the scene (Tread softly because you tread on my cape).

I'm glad you like it but it would be a real bugger to pull off adding so many elements and selective colour alteration convincingly.

Still maybe someone could do it.

I'm not sure if Palpatine really cares though.

He is the Emperor of all he surveys but he walks around in a potato sack.

If he still wore the sort of grand robes we saw in ROTS a bling throne room might make sense but I think he's actually above those things by ROTJ.

He's like a distorted reflection of Yoda.

Now that he controls everything he doesn't have to impress anyone (the art and fine furnishings were part of his kindly chancellor mask, now he can be his own Sith).

Those would make fine additions to the worst edit ideas thread (as would my Donkey Kong Throne Room).

Here was my stab at the lush look sometime back :

brash_stryker said:

I guess so, but how can you justify cutting from the scene when she's about to pop another one out? Lol.

I'd say there's a difference between things that most of the characters aren't privvy to (which would be the case if she gave birth after the events of the film) and the director (or in this case, the editor) deliberately keeping the viewer out of the loop, whilst every character involved would allegedly know she gave birth to twins.

Hard to explain...it breaks immersion that way by consciously keeping things from the viewer, rather than the birth of the son being a secret 'in-universe'.

Not sure I've explained myself very well there. *I* understand it anyway :p

You've explained yourself very well indeed.

In fact I'm sold on the idea.

I still think it would be better to see Padme die on Alderaan many years after the rise of the Empire and if a little girl happens to be there do we have to know she's her biological daughter?

If we see her pregnant and give birth to a little girl that would throw the whole Luke thing back into the dark it might get people twigging early about Leia but the kissing thing could actually work in the favour of the story.

So it's not for gobbing on people heads then or putting the dropping a penny on people to the test.

Cheers Shaner, I thought that it was in-keeping with the classic serials.

I would like to see Padme die on Alderaan when Leia is about three too.

If you lose an arm you lose a hand (unless you are stuck in a magician's cabinet and he knows what he's doing).

Maybe these are the grand armies of the Republic Palpatine was talking about (ta'dum'pish!).

Ghost said:

Will Adywan edit the Prequel Trilogy?

Will we see Qui-Gon anywhere?  I'd like to see his ghost somewhere.  Mabey him looking on at Vader and knowing he created trained him.  That would be better for the end of ROTS rather than somewhere in the OT, but oh well.

As for ROTJ, it needs to be cut down alot.  Alot of the Jabba's Palace sequences are boring and very useless.  Why not cut out some of it and make up the time with a better space battle and more battle scenes.

I don't even want to talk about how bad the Sail Barge batttle is.

The picture of Jabba's Palace picture 2 pages back looks nice and more realistic than the 2004 DVD.  Great work on it.

 

This and the prequel redux thread aren't exclusively Ady related threads so even if you have an idea that Ady has already said won't happen in his versions still feel free to discuss it because someone else might want the use of your ideas.

I'm not sure if Jabba's Palace needs less screen time it definately needs a change of tone.

The cartoon puppet aliens, droid torture played for laughs and CGI musical number detract from the necessary sense of threat making it more comical than perilous.

It should be a different kind of danger than the Empire (more louche and grotesque) but it should be still a place where the potential for nasty things to happen to our heroes is tangible.

You don't really get that in any versions of those sequences.

Vaderios said :

As you can see: Surface, and missing set exteriors from that poor set piece.

ideas brainstorming all welcome.

-Angel

As I said over on the previous page I don't get the what the exposed death pits are doing in this room, it's simply daft.

 I'd get rid or alter the rails and cover the pit up with floor plates.

During the fight those plates could be dislodged so the pit is exposed for Palpatine to get chucked down later (or maybe while he's watching Palpatine zapping Luke, Vader's anger causes him to have a relapse of his post Padme room wrecking).

Threepio is a named character though.

I just noticed thanks to SSWR's post that in my earlier comment I said:

before going outside for Yoda's death scene

Clearly I meant inside...Doh!

Maybe Ron Richging could lose his hand while Padme shoots his robot guards thus cementing his hatred of her in the following films.

I'm surprised that nobody has brought this up yet (maybe someone has but this is post 2565) but as far as I can make out (other than battledroids which don't count) TPM is the only Star Wars film where no named character loses a hand.

This clearly needs to be sorted out.

So who in Episode One should get the hand chop (please not Ric Olié he'd never shut up about it)?

Is there a workable solution, like a suitable backshot of the ROTJ helmet that can be matched into position and have the general profile of the reflections mapped over it?

Some might say with some justification that it doesn't really matter but it does highlight how many corners were cut in the making of ROTJ.

Would it have cost so much to film anyone against the window for a unique shot?

It would be nice if we had a similar shot of Luke meditating on the future like he does in ANH.

The PT sets this up as a family trait but maybe Yoda's teaching has beaten it out of Luke.

If not it might be nice to start a Fan-O-Matic style Dagobah sequence with Luke outside looking up at the sky and then over to Yoda's hut before him going inside for Yoda's death scene (which might be adapted from the lights fading sequence in the theatrical version).

Do I look like a member of the British Civil Service to you?

I've never won even a second prize before, do a I get a tiara?

We are safe from your friends here:

Something that bugs me about that scene is (and I know how daft it sounds) why is there a big open, barely fenced off bottomless pit in the room?

What is it for (other than chucking old bosses down when they threaten estranged family members)?

Would it be possible to cover it and have Vader chuck the floor plates around ESB style thus exposing the hole or maybe have the pit opened as a result of the damage caused by Vader cutting the footbridge?

These Sith love courting bad luck don't they?

mrbenja0618 said:

About the grievous/vader idea..... I like the idea... Just not sure if it's possible. We would have to figure out a new way of him being defeated without him exploding as he has currently in ROTS.

My idea was to have Grievous do the falling down thing so popular with Star Wars characters (he has already done the hand cut off thing).

Which would possibly mean making a model with the new head and filming it tumbling to an uncertain end.

If all direct references to Anakin being Vader until the end, were removed it would leave a question mark over which one is Vader.

You could even redub his lines so Grievous says something about learning from every fight he has had with Obi-Wan so he is a pupil of his 'from a certain point of view'.

Grievous has spent a lot of time hunting down and destroying Jedi.

Haven't figured out how Obi-Wan can get away with the betraying and murdering line yet though.

Perhaps the motion of a TIE-fighter could cover the wipe (nothing says OT to me more than a TIE) :

You clearly haven't understood the illustration (even though it is fully explained in the text) this is a diagonal wipe describing a transition of time (perhaps a clockwipe would make it more obvious).

We see the Republic era ships replaced by ships from the same era as ANH (time has passed).

Now we can see the Death Star being built but it's not being built right after the end of the Clone Wars but about half a decade before ANH after the Empire is fully established and their starfleet has been upgraded to what we see in the OT.

ChainsawAsh said:

That's actually pretty interesting.  Parts of it (I feel) are quite an improvement, but other parts clearly suffer from a lack of additional footage that wasn't included in the movie - there are a lot of jump cuts.  For what the guy had to work with, though, it's very well done.

I agree it seems to avoid all the worst bits (the incomplete twirl etc) and it looks better because no flip shots.

Actually it sounds like a slightly camp version of RP English.

Anakin should have dropped his native accent by AOTC, to keep an accent you need to have a primer around, with Obi Wan acting as parent and teacher to the boy he would have ended up speaking more like him (which would have matched Seb Shaw's voice in ROTJ).

I did suggest this some aeons ago...

Bingowings said:

It might be better to show the twins being born and then do a series of time jumps showing the transition between the Republic era ships and Imperial era ships, (perhaps a few battles with the Alliance) the Clonetroopers and the Stormtroopers, have Padme die on Alderaan and see little Leia at her funeral on Alderaan (possibly aged 3 or 4) and finish with the construction of the Death Star with Peter playing Tarkin not Wayne in a Halloween mask.

The transition idea could be very doable you could see a ROTS style Star Destroyer wipe into a ANH/ESB style Destroyer etc, etc and finish with Vader and Palpatine looking at the construction of the Death Star surrounded by Imperial ships showing that it was built closer to the timeframe of ANH than ROTS. (a bit like the end sequence of the Enterprise finale where we saw Enterprises D, NCC1701 and NXwhatever only in reverse http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXotJu1CapU&feature=related).

It would also serve as a bookend for the celebration montage at the end of ROTJ, instead of seeing the defeat of the Empire playing out over space we'd see the growth of the Empire over time.

Forgive the roughness of this mockup as per: