Bingowings

Babelcolour is tinkering with time again (Sapphire and Steel would not be amused) :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nCb3y4J850

Lovely work Angel, perhaps the engine glow is a bit too colourful, it might look a bit better shifted to the red side of the spectrum (more Tantive than Star Destroyer).

The only problem I have with the ROTS crawl is the first word "WAR!" the whole series is called Star Wars so why should we be surprised that there is a war going on (especially as this was underlined in the end coda of the previous episode)?

ben_danger said:

these are by a guy i watch deviant art

 

ANH

ESB

ROTJ

They are great I wish he would do the PT as well.

CG work, Digital Art or some variation on that theme, it depends on what's being done.

I'm ancient enough to still use the term exclusively for the act of moving paint across a surface (actually it's a bit more complicated than that because technically even that is drawing but I think you know what I mean).

This series of illustrations has a spiral quite like the original element but with the polar jets, maybe just adding that would make the spiral more stellar and less Galactic.

Darth Venal said:

Bingowings:

 it's a NASA painting of what an accretion disk might look like and not CGI at all

That doesn't necessarily make sense.

:-)

What doesn't make sense? The background is a physical painting commissioned by NASA to illustrate what an accretion disk might look like which I put into the space to replace the original spiral and not CGI. 

As I said the colours may give it the impression of being CGI because early CG depictions of space (like B5) were very colourful.

Angel Blue01 said:

Bingowings said:

Seeing as everyone else seems to be raking the ashes of this discussion here was my take on the accretion disk :

Wow! Looks a little too CG for me, but very nice.

Anyway, I accept the nebula version as an old publicity still, but a weird use of one, thanks for explaining. :)

Funny you should say that because it's a NASA painting of what an accretion disk might look like and not CGI at all, it's got a lot of colour in it which may give it a more PT look.

If you follow the link above you will see it's all been done before.

Seeing as everyone else seems to be raking the ashes of this discussion here was my take on the accretion disk :

Sorry Ripplin, I'm only a droid and not very knowledgeable about such things.

I tried fixing this shot but there is so much missing the only way around it I can see is to shoot the X-Wing again so Ady and chums I think you will have to put an X-wing on your list to Santa (so much for every element being restored and recomposited it looks not much better than one of my worse mockups) :

Porkins sounds like a Starfox character (perhaps he should be replaced with a pig).

Some of those sound files might actually work as background chatter in a for real edit (not just a silly one) if distorted like in ANH.

Angel Blue01 said:

adywan said:

I prefer the idea that its a forming star rather than a galaxy

It'd have to be, or something like it. The thing rotates onscreen, no galaxy can rotate that fast, as physicist Curtis Saxton points out. Can you  take out the rotation at least? :p

 

 

If Ady prefers the star model why would he need to remove the rotation?

Nope I made a mock-up of an accretion disc over on the wishlist thread if you follow the forementioned link.

It was possibly the case that it was a bit of publicity material which came out before the effects were finalised.

There are a lot of photo montages which aren't actual film stills which are quite famous because they were the first glimpse of what the film was going to be like :

For example most of us know this image but it's not a film still (thank Zod) :

This is an ESB discussion that can continue on the ESB/ROTJ wishlist thread :

There were posts about it over there too :

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/ESB-and-ROTJ-Wishlist/post/352903/#post352903

I worked out a varient of the Fan-o-matic idea where Luke has been on Dagobah finishing his training (it's been agreed that Leia will wait for Luke before hatching the escape plan). After Yoda's death Luke returns to Tatooine to rescue Han only to find she has lost patience and has rushed off with Chewie to do it alone (leaving Threepio at Ben's Hut).

So the Trojan horse in Artoo is a rescue plan for a rescue plan buggered up by the Skywalker trait of impatiently trying to save a loved one.

In that set up Threepio's statement makes sense, Lando has been at the Palace for sometime and Chewie has left with Leia (shame he doesn't mention her).

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/ESB-and-ROTJ-Wishlist/post/357719/#post357719

I know Ady doesn't want to have Threepio in the first two prequels so perhaps some of his dialogue can be moved from there to cover his half of the conversation.

Post deleted because mock-up lost forever due to a cock-up on my part...opps!

Angel Blue01 said:

oh_riginal said:

Okay, I've done a new mock-up of this scene. The difference being that instead of saying that Han predicted the cave entrance, instead he is, as everyone here has suggested, first saw the canyon and thought it may be a potential place to hide, but then sees the cave and realizes it is even better than he first assumed.

Half of a character's line had to be sacrificed for it to work, but I don't miss it, honestly. Now, here goes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4An0G1pFiU

I think that looks pretty good! :)

Looks pretty good from this chair too.

Not up to Angel's standards but hopefully a nod in the right direction:

It interesting that the thrust of attention in this article as proposed is on fan-editing but that is just one aspect of a much larger phenomena, that of fan craft in general.

The act of making something because you are a fan of an already existing story is by no means new.

I suspect it has it's origins way back in the spiritual and sacred pre-history of story telling (the first cave painting based on one stone ager's account of his grapple with his prey, that sort of thing).

The myths we still enjoy weren't just tales to the ancients, they were tied into religious rites and a temple industry providing objects to extend those stories lift side by side with objects made by ordinary people to make those epic tales something personal, to put themselves into the story.

In a modern sense this can be seen as duplicated in both the wide range of official products which tie in with films like the Star Wars series as well as scratch built models, costumes, fan-fiction and un-official audio plays and fan films.

So fan-edits are merely another extension of that human urge to paint yourself into the picture, to make and hold a part of the story, to participate in an emersive other world rather than just sit shore and watch through a telescope.

The same is true of fan-documentaries, preservations and restorations.

This site was set up because something that fans wanted to buy and own was not being made available (the original Star Wars films restored and presented to modern standards) and it's still not available.

This mirrors another set of stories spanning time and space.

Doctor Who has been running (off and on) since 1963. When VCRs made it possible to collect that series the BBC had a bit of a problem, they had taped over or thrown away a huge portion of the show's history. Also they took the show off the air in the eighties but there was still a large demand for the show and nothing new to sell.

Some of the missing shows were tracked down by recalling overseas copies sent to broadcasters around the globe.

Others have turned up as fragments in private hands.

But there was one resource that few people would have counted on, the fans.

Before video was commonplace fans had put microphones next to their television speakers and had archived every single story (including the ones with missing pictures).

Other fans had created telly snaps by photographing their sets to produce in still images the general look of almost every scene.

This has been used not only by the Doctor Who Restoration team :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_Restoration_Team

to produce audio versions of the missing shows and to create documentary extras on the DVD's but also but also by various teams of fans who are working together to animate the missing visuals in a variety of styles.http://www.orangecow.org/who-sprites2/1guide/

When the show went off air groups of people made audio and later video dramas sometimes using the original actors (often changing the character names to stay within the law).

One such company was Big Finish productions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Finish_Productionswho later won the official license for Doctor Who audio dramas (which now out number the original television episodes). People who have worked on have also gone on to work on the revived series.

If you look around this site you will see much of the same kind of work for much of the same reason.

Not only are people attempting create new work, but also restore and archive what is no longer or never been made officially available.

If Lucasfilm (and the other companies who's output is receiving fan craft attention) treat these people well and not just listen to their requests but consider throwing a bit of money at their efforts they may actual have a lot more to gain than lose.

TV's Frink said:

Bobocop said:

You know, it's so much fun to tamper with perfectly good movies...

I thought I'd make the ROTJ duel a little more one-sided. You know, to show how awesome Luke is and all. Vader totally gets owned.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjICkQF4w4o

First time I've heard ROTJ called "perfectly good" LOL.

 

Great stuff Bobocop, did you do the spoof lightsaber blades yourself?

It sounds like it should be read in a Yorkshire accent.

Star Wars the Ken Loach version.

"I killed them. They're dead, every single one of them an' not just the men, but the women and the kids pets an' all"

It would have been nice to have Vader face him while picking him up in a choke hold (ala Captain Thingy of the Tantive) and dangle him off the edge, it would have made it a bit more up front and personal.

Alternatively he could have just shoved him like when Michael Caine pushed Alf Roberts off the Car Park in Get Carter.

"You're a powerful Sith Lord but you're out of shape!"

Ripplin I think you are looking at Humpty and Jemima from BBC's Playschool.

http://tv.cream.org/lookin/playschool/index.htm

It explains why so many Brits of a certain age are a little bit special :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAPjRWGhLeM