Bingowings

I thought there was no underwear in space.

Maybe two then.

Survivor guilt fuelled vengeful wraith and excitedly overjoyed to be proved wrong.

Not really Chris's fault (three Slitheen episodes and three Dalek episodes in a short tenure limited his exposure to a variety of situations) but if he had stayed longer I could see a lot of the same things Tennant has been accused of being thrown at him (when it's the fault of neither of them).

I thought he was Calvin Klein's nemesis.

I know that's why I'd lose the bridges and put in floors, each with their own segment shaped gaps which Palpatine can be pulled through on his way down.

This is very rough (thrown together in a few minutes) the wheel shapes are floors with segmented pits of their own, the big column would have to be replaced with the lift shaft which would be much smaller).

Add traditional tube light patterns and away you go :

My personal preference for the Death Pit would be to take the basic wheel shape of the circular area around the elevator shaft and just duplicate it to near infinity and make it darker all the way down.

So Palpatine falls down through all the segmental gaps (like the one he was thrown down at the top).

He wouldn't have a chance to jump to the next floor because the air friction would make him explode (besides it's a PT style superhero trick of the type that needs to be toned down in PT re-workings).

I love all the actors who have played the character, it the writers and the production teams that have been the cause of any hiccups.

Thanks to Big Finish the least popular Doctors and their companions have been given their chance to shine (who would think Bonnie Langford could act?).

The Kingmaker and Spare Parts really give Peter the chance to stretch himself.

Colin (possibly the best audio Doctor) and Sylvester have really grown and we can see (or rather hear) how good Paul could have been.

I love Tom (he was my Doctor) but he could go too far sometimes (it was the role he was born to play).

Pertwee injected dramatic heroism into the role and it's hard to remember how associated he was before with zany comedy until he got the part.

The problem with Troughton is that most of his best stories are lost.

Hartnell is great when he was allowed to go to extremes of lightness (The Romans is a real hoot) or darkness (he is really creepy in The Pilot, something they should have kept up).

Tennant has been asked to do some really stupid scenes and the whole Rose love angle was a big mistake but in something like Midnight or Human Nature he has shown he could really pull out the stops without resorting to the usual push button mockney exuberance.

It would have been nice to see more of Eccleston but he did seem to be hitting one note most of the time (once again down to the often silly material he has to work with).

The Kamino look was clearly meant to reflect the look of Trooper armor (they kit the guys out as well as grow them) but how many people work in factories or offices that look like the clothes they wear or make?

Why not rough it up a bit more? A bit less plastic and more concrete.

The last one is very good but the tagline should be in white, the orange overlay decreases legibility.

I'd nudge the title up a bit so it's not smack in the middle and perhaps decrease the transparency a bit.

It would also help if we got a better tower reveal shot which showed us just how huge it is.

It's hard to believe he is falling so far down the tower when the tower model is made out to be so spindly.

If the top of the central column extended out to the edge of the stairs the outside of the column wouldn't appear in the matte at all, as he would be thrown down it and not the space beside it.

Vader throws Palpatine from the the space you describe, the death pit is right next to the lift.

As I said the matte is the problem and it's not a good matte so I haven't a problem with it being replaced.

In any case Palpatine is falling down the inside of the tower not the centre of the station.

Tennant wanted to leave last year but the promise of the specials changed his mind.

I still think the central core is too big to be just a lift shaft (perhaps it's just a dodgy matte).

If you look at the set the the lift sits in the middle of a circular column just a bit bigger than the lift itself.

If you look at the matte the column on the left is much too big to be the same structure (look at the doorway leading out from the walkway, it's about the size the opening of the lift but the circumference of the column is many times larger).

I think the lift shaft runs inside the column in the matte (if we are to take it literally) but there's much more to it, enough for many lift shafts of the same size which is why I suggested that the pit is just another chasm but one running down the centre of the tower.

If the matte was changed most of these problems would disappear.

It's not a good matte anyway, some of the walkways go to nowhere.

Was the line a white one?

Hi Ric, could you explain to me why the people of Naboo base their industrial architecture on platform games?

It must be very difficult running a powerstation when the only way to get from one part to another is jumping hundreds of feet in the air and navigating through pointless energy shield gates.

And what's with the bottomless pit in the middle of the room fetish, shouldn't someone put an energy shield around that?

Someone might fall down there and seriously kill themselves.

It's neither as far as I can make out.

It's just another huge chasm (the first Death Star had them so why should this be any different) which runs down the centre of the tower, along side the lift shaft (just like the one in the picture Angel just posted from ANH).

Haven't a clue what it's for or why it opens up in the room (the Sith seem to hire computer game designers for architects, Palpatine is from Naboo and just look at their powerstations) but it's there and for the reasons I described before it's doubtful in the extreme that Palpatine was chucked into the reactor.

He was merely chucked down the centre of a really tall tower.

I wish there was a way to tart up the Death Pit to look a bit more like that shot but looking down.

It has some of the bridge, walkway things that the first Death Star had but it has a lighting scheme even darker than the Tractor Beam control that Ben wandered around.

I know the two stations aren't exactly the same but they should follow the basic design ethic.

I've never really liked the glow at the bottom either.

Call me old fashioned but I like my bottomless pits to be dark at the bottom and lighter at the top.

When prune face goes pop it would show up better if the bottom was dark rather than light.

adywan said:

I don't think the innards of the arm need anything done to them. It's the arm itself that needs fixing so it no longer looks like a horrible latex falsie

Angel Blue01 said:

Darth Venal said:

But even with pics, you seem to be mistaken. The building behind Vader is visible out of the window in the second shot because the camera is looking out to the left, whereas in the first shot it's straight on and the building would be off to the left. So that's not a mistake.

And the first two pics of the entrance to the room, are they even looking at the same thing?

I'll grant your first point, it might be a POV thing, just seemed odd to me to have nothing and then something.

But the first two are of whatever is behind Lando, Han and company in front of the Vader dining room, the first one is right before Lando opens the door, the second a few seconds later, there's now a stairway behind Han and company! Lando's in both shots, and he's not moved except to open the door.

 

Ah, do you mean the window that was added for the SE but they forgot to add it for the rest of the shots? If that's the case then just ask Bingowings. He's seen the fix in the making :)

 

Indeed I have and it's shaping up very nicely too.

I was keeping mum about it because I thought that was one of my responsibilities as a tiara wearer.

Watching my clip underlined for me just how much work has gone into this so far and as a certain Princess once said, "It's not over yet".

The decorative Death Pit feature is on the top of a huge tower, falling to the bottom of the Toronto Tower would take about 10.8 seconds or less so it would take something in the same ball park (which matches what we see on the screen) to hit the bottom of the tower.

The air friction on a small object like the Death Star (with a surface gravity like Earth's) would be relatively greater so Palpatine would experience re-entry like friction effects after falling only a few hundred feet. In short he would explode (which is what we see).

The Death Star has an artificial Earth like gravity through most levels (as far as we know) and is full of air but it's about the size of a small moon, falling to the centre would possibly never happen.

On Earth gravity pulls things to centre of it's mass, the nearer you get to the centre the higher the pull.

The artificial gravity on the Death Star would bugger that up in the long term.

On the Death Star he would fall so far, slowed by the air and then reach a lower gravity zone and the air currents would cause him to slowly go up and down and up and down, essentially he would stop in mid air (assuming what we have seen of the station is carried through all layers).

Once again friction would be a factor so the poor guy wouldn't be bouncing for very long.

In any case it's complicated and almost certainly not what we see happening in the film.

"Gourds leave us!" :

brash_stryker said:

And in the future, glare from glass is a thing that's long been rectified :)

A Long Time Ago In A Galaxy Far Far Away....

Just to save space could you edit your previous posts to remove the invisible images (it happens to all of us Blue don't worry about it).

Varorum would need to grow a goatee and invest in some hair dye and PVC boots.

Adywan said :

It's already been fixed....

Just open the door you stupid lump!

DuTwan said: Hey dunno if its been mentioned but has anyone noticed that the first picture the door has black stripes and then on lando close ups they are more a dotted line?

I don't think you need worry about it becoming almost monochrome, you've already added enough ambient green to get away with white engine glare (or maybe even the same sort of peachy colour that we see coming from the platform lights).

Nice reworking of the Sith shot though Vader  has a bit of a stoop (he also tends to look up when thinking about the future).

The kneeling worked in ESB because no-one thinks Vader has to kneel to anyone and then this spooky weird guy turns up and we are forced into the situation of wondering how powerful this new chap must be.

Besides the kneeling position is a good way of finding a soft spot for sticking a blade in.