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I’m probably too old now to have a four pronged climax 😦
Well you poor folks keep giving them all your money what do you expect from the rich, charity?
It’s “The Final Countdown” to the BD release.
We’re flying to Venus.
If you are a smart phone user this app might help with the rumination cycle: https://news.liverpool.ac.uk/2015/04/16/psychologists-develop-app-to-help-people-maintain-their-mental-health/
oh come on, the first two were great.
^THIS
Even if the structural integrity of the Sulcaco could be maintained and that Ripley’s foot/arm didn’t snap and all the air wasn’t pulled out of the lungs of the humans particularly Newt screaming at the top of her voice, there is the small detail of all that radiation coming out of the vent open to space.
They would all die of cancer.Remember that scene from that one movie called the Empire Strikes Back when the lead characters get off of the space ship on an asteroid and walk around with the cheap little masks that they give you when a plane cabin depressurizes, and there is no change of gravity whatsoever? That ruined the whole movie for me.
Alien was science fiction, Star Wars films are space fantasy. Even then they are inside an organic space (without realising just how organic), presumably Han checked the exterior conditions of the ship before exiting.
In Alien Ripley has the good sense to get in a space suit and put on the seat belt before opening the airlock.
Aliens is a fun action film but it’s really poor compared to the original. They are hardly in the same universe despite the sequel copying huge chunks without understanding why those segments made sense. It’s not as good as the first Terminator movie but much better than the second one.
Even if the structural integrity of the Sulcaco could be maintained and that Ripley’s foot/arm didn’t snap and all the air wasn’t pulled out of the lungs of the humans particularly Newt screaming at the top of her voice, there is the small detail of all that radiation coming out of the vent open to space.
They would all die of cancer.
Comparing film to a novel isn’t really fair under some circumstances, though. In a book, you have a narrator, and he/she tells you what happens. Whether it’s first person, third person limited, or third person omniscient, can have a great impact on what can be portrayed in a film. For instance, a first person novel is very difficult to do without having a constant main character voice-over to display his thoughts and emotions, and we all know that voice-overs don’t work well all the time. Then you have things that just aren’t plausible or practical to show in a film. Visual adaptations of literature aren’t ever going to please everybody because most descriptions are left to interpretation of the reader. Though, the best way to go is obviously to get the original author to co-write the script/screenplay, and to give his word on aesthetic designs, etc.
It’s still perfectly fine though.
Without that sort of comparison we would have no metaphor, no poetry, hardly any art.
WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE said : Frink, shall I compare thee to a summer’s day?
LORD HASEO said : It’s unfair to compare a man in a seasonal 24 hour period just like it’s unfair to compare a man to a day.
FRINK said : Agreed! So why bother?
WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE : Carp!
Admiral Ackbar said :
It’s a Terp!
When I quit the nicotine gum I was fine. Everyone else was really on edge though 😄
Bear in mind that I am middle aged and stopped buying computer games at the sixth generation. I only watch a very select group of modern movies so I am not as much of a connoisseur of modern CGI as some but in stills (I am in no rush to watch the film) I really can’t complain about the effects used here.
I personally find the opening sequences of Antman where we have digitally rejuvenated Michael Douglas and practically aged Hayley Atwell interacting astonishingly convincing to these old eyes.
I suspect future generations of film and computer game audiences will get better and better and finding fault with special effects.
I just walk around permanently astonished by how realistic planet Earth looks though the round things in my skull, I can’t figure out how to switch them off yet.
Real Arnie is too shiny to be real. He must be made of some kind of plastic. CGI Arnie looks like flesh attached to metal.
I think that Prometheus has the same plot as Alien vs Predator (expeditioners go to a remote place in search of something new, with a second in command who is female, and then they find themsleves in trouble, people die, at the very end a new type of Alien is introduced) but is done infinitely better.
How?
In AVP the characters all have jobs which they do before being overwhelmed by experiences beyond their experience.
In Prometheus every character is an arsehole only the droid is following his programing.
As I say it looks good.
And yes Aliens is tatty (wrong aspect ratio, ugly titles, variable model effects, recycled score from other Horner movies, lousy rear projection) and lazy.
It’s by the numbers. Almost every lever of the plot either comes from the first film where it made sense (decompressing the Narcissus made sense because it was a small ship and Ripley is wearing a space suit, doing the same thing with the Sulaco would tear the ship to pieces and kill everyone in the landing bay) or it’s painfully cliche… Screaming child in peril…(yawn) look at how the Feral Kid turned that old chestnut on it’s head. Making Bishop a good droid deserves praise though.
Superman the Movie (5balls)
Superman II (4.5balls)
Superman Returns (3.5balls) criminally under-rated.
Superman III (2balls) only really worth watching for the bad Superman scenes.
Superman IV (1ball) watchable in a train wreck sense, so bad it’s good in places.
Man of Steel (0.5) ball. Only worth watching for the scenes set on Gallifrey and for the fraud in the Supersuit getting his boobs out.
Comparing a play to a film or a television adaptation of a novel to the source material is perfectly fine.
It’s just stuff.
Once again I feel duty bound to throw my hat into the ring here.
Frank Finlay 89 :

Terry Wogan 77
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Alternatively :
Jefferson Airplane’s Paul Kantner dies at 74
CG Arnie looks more real in stills than Real Arnie (not that I was ever convinced) 😄
I’m hoping Max Von is a clone as he didn’t get anywhere near the screen time an actor of his caliber deserves.
Nice of you to contribute. I disagree I think Harrison is fine Chewie is fine it’s just Jabba and the fact that what he says is already said by Greedo. With different subtitles and the dreaded tail stomping removed it could be usable for an edit.
As for the thread being bad well go read something else if that’s your attitude.
I don’t like sand…
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/carrie-fisher-almost-played-sandy-in-grease-a6838681.html
A good idea but it would require some effects work to show him losing and maybe crashing/damaging Watto’s pod. You need to set up a sense of peril for the next race.