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Change Obi-wan’s alias to Ken Benobi.

Seeing as we know Ken is Solo’s son already I don’t think that’s a problem.
If anyone is exposing himself emotionally it’s Ken.

I’m not just going to kill you dad, I’m going to look you in the eye while I gut you with a flaming sword, that should get rid of any lingering thoughts of home and hearth.
Thank heavens it’s not the sort of series where he would have to do the rest of that Oedipus jive.

Now there are two of them

The entire system is one big system.

The silent versions are possibly my favorite fan edits ever.
Very close behind is TMBTM’s War of the Stars edits.

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Marvin Minsky, AI pioneer.

Marvin Minsky said:

Once the computers got control, we might never get it back. We would survive at their sufferance.

If you haven’t already I suggest you watch TMBTM’s silent versions which just have Williams’ music and no sound effects or vocal work at all.
Also bare in mind that many of the films that Williams has scored have scenes which play out almost like silent movies (the ends of ET and CE3K almost dialogue free and carried purely by the music).

Did this really need another thread?

People are different so some people will respond to this issue differently from others.
I personally found the reuse very cynical and distracted me from the many fine qualities of the film in an unnecessary way.
The Star Wars galaxy is a big place where lots of stories could be told.
The new characters were very engaging and fresh, the design and direction was very skillful but the stale plot was an unwelcome distraction.
That’s my position.

Obviously other people have other criteria when it comes to a good few hours of entertainment and will not be as distracted by these similarities.
This doesn’t make those people silly or whatever negative you want to throw at the group, it just makes them differently demanding.

or snot
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Anzat_(species)

The prologue dream reminded me very much of Godfather 2 which opens with a piece of music that reminds me of Padme’s Ruminations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiops8V–2A
Changing the music would change the mood for sure but I think some of the tonal qualities could be kept.
The dreaming reminded me very much of the dream sequences in Lynch’s Dune which uses a similar musical motif.

Swazzy said:

So basically The Force Unleashed, maybe sans the over-glorified wielding of force powers?

More like Rebels in the sense that you have a core set of characters that are only loosely connected to the OT ones with occasional side views of what the OT crew are up to.

I doubt if the Jedi in that show are going to make it but there is an off chance Yoda is wrong about Luke being the last Jedi so their fate isn’t set in stone and the other characters are even more open to survive so we can invest more into their story not knowing that they are doomed.

Obi-wan and Yoda are never in peril in the PT if you watch the films in the order they were made because we know they are survive.
If we watch the episodes in chronological order the surprise twists in Episodes V and VI are ruined.
If they had made the PT about other people we could watch them in either order and still get the same sweep of history.

Dek Rollins said:

It’s the same thing that happened with The Thing remake in 2011, they built practical references that were fully capable of being used as they were, and then they CGI’d over them.

http://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/thething

Maybe Rylo Ken stole Threepio’s old arm for his Vader shrine and was caught red handed.

Droids are slaves and people only acknowledge the ‘humanity’ of slaves when they are forced to by the power of empathy or the law and often then only begrudgingly.
The Roman Empire lasted for centuries and mostly treated slaves as utility objects. Feudalism wasn’t much better.
Most people don’t care where their cheap clothes come from.

There was a lot more green screen and CGI work used in TFA than is generally noticed but the characters are more compelling (even if the plot isn’t). And the integration is more subtle (most of the time).

Stylistically though you could take a good fanedit of the PT and ran TFA next they would sit quite well next together as 21st Century films.

The only real impediment would be the digital camera work on Ep2 and Ep3.

The point I’m making is if you aren’t compelled by what the characters are doing you look at where they are doing it more.
There a plenty of duffly composed shots in the OT but you don’t notice so much because the characters and what they are doing is compelling enough to let them slide.
Very few people notice the sometimes rather nifty designs and sets in terrible movies.

This has been talked about elsewhere.
I think the uses of quickly dated CGI coupled with the already dated digital camera work and Virtual Backlot practises created an artificiality to the look of the films that only served to point out the badly drawn characters, leaden script and static direction.

TMBTM’s monochrome silent movie edits seem to look more convincing because the lack of colour allows the elements to sit together more realistically and the lack of terrible line delivery and the more brisk editing creates an impression of a better film than the source material.

Similarly the editing of the bad performances and rearrangement of scenes in ONLYYODAFORGIVES Neon Noire edit distracts the viewer from the less than stellar composition of some shots.
It is the story that is most important not the effects but when the characters are not compelling and the direction is flat you only have the furniture to look at and then you notice that the cartoon background characters don’t fit inside the physical models standing in for physical sets filmed on now obsolete digital equipment.

It would be interesting to see the same edit but with Star Wars music and title styles. I’ve been passing this one on as much as possible.
I hope that in the future this could be the first prequel that films like Rogue One can build upon to make the prequel trilogy I would prefer to have seen.

It would be cool if someone attempted to do a nostalgia lite cut of the trailer footage.
Imagine that TFA was the only Star Wars film and remove all previous music and obvious appeals to existing fans.
A bit like the “A Boy, A Girl and A Universe” trailer when nobody knew who Luke was or why a space bear was flying a flying saucer thing.

I wonder what the Jabba scene would look like as a stop motion or miniature puppet replacing the CGI. Would the use of real light and techniques more fitting the period of the film sit better than the 97 and 2004 versions?
I’d love to see someone give it a try.

I’ve been liking here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJJqYoMxG7o
and here : http://tmbtm-fanedits.blogspot.co.uk/

I’ve recently been watching Fargo (the film and the tv series) and I shan’t spoil any of that here beyond saying that it’s exactly how the PT, OT and ST should have played out.
Each story (film, season 1, season 2) is almost totally self contained, doesn’t spoil either of the others, compliments each other in theme and some shared events and characters and are really compelling to watch. While there are visual references to each other they are far more sophisticated than in the Star Wars films.
We didn’t need to see Anakin turn to the dark side (we know all that from the OT), that’s why I’m glad the Han/Leia thing in TFA happened off screen between movies, it’s all implied by where they are when we see them.
The PT should have been centred around totally new characters the story of which intersected Kenobi and Vader tangentially.
That way we are invested in the potential of their survival and character development possibilities.
This churning of story elements harms the sometimes amazing work done in all the films, even the PT.

FrankT said:

Put David Tennant in with Freema Agyeman on Coruscant or whatever it’s called. I’m sure that’s her, anyway.

I’m pretty sure that was her cousin, Maisie Richardson-Sellers that got turned into a Cyberman in Canary Wharf.

replace A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away… with Luke skywalker isn’t in this movie, but he will be in episode 8….