DuracellEnergizer said:

I’m sick and I’m tired of being broke and being useless and being alone. I want things to change – I want to move out, I want to get a job, I want to meet a lovely, vivacious, spiritual lady who will complete me – but there’s no one in my life to help me and I don’t know how to help myself. I feel trapped, isolated, and empty.

I can highly recommend volunteering in some capacity. It’s been scientifically measured with happiness tape that helping others makes you healthier, mentally and physically. It can grow skills and help you network with the sort of people looking for paid employees. You might meet that special someone doing whatever you end up doing but be wary of seeing others as your source of completion. You complete you. It’s a you that’s comfortable within yourself that attracts the interest of others. You don’t have to be conceited to be authentic and sincere. Just be and apply yourself.

It started quite innocent enough, someone with zero malicious intent put up a picture of Warb with a beard, which Warb took very personally. ABC didn’t get the extent of the upset so when he posted the Jupiter picture a few of us behind the scenes tried to convince him to take it down knowing the effect it would have. Warb is a kind hearted person. He has his own MO which took me a while to get my head around. Working around people with very diverse ways of seeing things has changed my outlook on people in general. ABC believe it or not was a similarly differently constructed mind. He privately was mortified that he had created the upset he had. It’s very sad really. He couldn’t put the lid back on once that particular bottle was uncorked. I think he accidentally banned himself in the end when Moth3r shut down the last sock.

darth_ender said:

ABC was long ago. His behavior was largely before my time, and I only knew him when he returned as a sock called XyZ. He laid low for a while, but once his former identity was revealed, he resumed the same rudeness he had previously displayed toward Warbler (I remember him making his avatar with Warbler’s face in a Catholic priest’s robes in mockery–I believe this was why Warbler changed his avatar to no longer show his face). This didn’t last long before he was banned again. I mostly know of his behavior based on subsequent conversation.

Darth Id was rude for a very long time to many posters, including me. I remember getting worked up at one point, but learned to just mostly ignore his sophomoric humor. However, he fixated on Warbler and knew he could get a rise out of him. He was always just obnoxious enough to hurt Warbler, but he was cautious not to go so far as to get in trouble. He was pretty clever, but he needed to go. I believe the new rule changes were part of that.

Generalfrevious was not rude to Warbler. He was just annoying with all his doomsday exaggeration.

ABC did contribute quite a bit to the preservation sections of the forum but yeah lots of socks. The image of Warb was him depicted as Jupiter. It was an OTT response to what Warb was saying at the time and many of us were working behind the scenes to get him to calm down and back off. I think it was the sock activity that did for him in the end.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-gay-sacked-fired-offence-homosexuality-doj-justice-department-a7969601.html

And Pilate in Jesus Christ Superstar.

NeverarGreat said:

Why not both?

Have the Emperor simply say ‘An entire legion awaits them’, and also beef up the battle so it looks like a legion of Stormtroopers.

His over confidence is his weakness, Palpatine would not be able to resist boasting.

I’m a Divinyls fan.

I was just going to say no… But now you mention it, Phil’s version of You Can’t Hurry Love could add bathos to the Luke, Leia romance.

I add my wishes to Warb’s. Like Warb my dad passed a little earlier than most, I’m rapidly approaching the age my dad was when he got ill so I wish everyone on here and their loved ones the lengthiest and healthiest of lives.

Everything. A hole in one leads to smugness, smugness leads to impulse purchases, impulse purchases lead to action figures… I sense much action figures in you 😉

It happened. It’s the least offensive ROTJ end it quick move. Retroactively it even makes more sense than Luke being Vader’s son, Leia being Vader’s daughter explains her reckless attempt to save Han while being a Rebel leader with sensitive intel during a crucial period of the war. It explains all the choking. Compared to Yoda’s death scene and Luke’s plan to save Han it’s nothing really. It’s a shame we don’t seem to be getting anything interesting come of it particularly now Carrie has died. Leia would have made a wonderful villain.

As the man in the background with the long neck he is clearly there. Like the love guru with the long tail and the guy with the horns or Mr Dinosaurus. As the EU character with the potentially mildly offensive name, I’m going to stick my neck out here and say I couldn’t really give a monkeys. He doesn’t speak, he barely moves his canon status is up there with 4-LOM but he doesn’t look as interesting.

chyron8472 said:

Bingowings said:

pittrek said:

I’ve seen the first episode. I loved the first part and hated the second half. By the way this might be the first Star Trek lead I absolutely hate, she belongs to jail, why is she a hero?

She was right.
She correctly assessed the situation and did everything she could to prevent the conflict.
If Kirk did this it would be typical Kirk stuff and we would all be patting him on the back for disrespecting the chain of command as usual.

But Kirk is the captain, and TOS is incredibly cheesy, so over-the-top is expected. Plus, we have had enough time with Kirk and his crew to assess their personality. Meanwhile, this is the pilot episode of Discovery. We know very little about this crew; why they act the way they do; why they distrust and bicker with each other, et al.

The captain may have made a bad decision, but she’s the captain. It’s her call. It doesn’t matter if the first officer was right and ignoring her would get everyone killed. That’s not how a command structure works.

This is not TOS. In TOS, the characters are endearing. Plus, to have a mutiny now is like having “The Menagerie” two-parter be the actual TOS pilot, including the parts where Spock mutinied (not just “The Cage” bits). If that were the pilot, why do we know anything about Spock? Why would we care? Does Spock do this all the time? Is it normal on a starship for people to mutiny? Or it could be like if The Best of Both Worlds was the TNG pilot. Cmdr. Shelby went over Riker’s head, straight to the captain when Riker disagreed with her, and Riker called her on it. Is Riker always like this? Is Shelby? Is this normal?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOnC0dgHNDA&t=1m28s <-- I mean seriously, imagine this episode is the TNG pilot. It would give a whole different vibe to the characters.

It’s too early in the Discovery characters’ development onscreen to have this drama because we don’t have a baseline for what is supposed to be normal for this crew in interacting with each other.

You asked why she was the protagonist. Kirk was a captain but he frequently disobeyed the chain of command and was the ‘hero’ of the piece. I think all of the main protagonists have adopted this mode.

DuracellEnergizer said:

ray_afraid said:

No, no, no… He’s got four lightsabers, silly.
(if that’s not what’s happening there, I have no idea what is)

SPOILERS

He’s firing a blaster in rapid succession.

The Droid fired first.

pittrek said:

I’ve seen the first episode. I loved the first part and hated the second half. By the way this might be the first Star Trek lead I absolutely hate, she belongs to jail, why is she a hero?

She was right.
She correctly assessed the situation and did everything she could to prevent the conflict. Her Captain didn’t listen to her and put her in the brig.
She correctly gauged that killing the Klingon leader would create a martyr that would unite the Empire against the Federation and the Captain screwed up again. If Kirk did this it would be typical Kirk stuff and we would all be patting him on the back for disrespecting the chain of command as usual.

Mark’s Down On Your Syntax said:

SilverWook said:

You’re forgetting J. Michael Straczynski had pitched B5 to Paramount before DS9 was conceived.

Sounds reasonable, point withdrawn.

HUGE WINKY FACE.

Furthermore elements from the pilot script for B5 became major plot points for the whole duration of DS9. Like a character using a shape shifting device called a Changeling net to get revenge for a war started when a character called Dukhat was killed. The pilot even had Leeta in it DS9 didn’t even bother to hide it’s origins. When B5 got a defence grid upgrade and a state of the art ship in season 3 guess what happened on DS9? I just saw the first two episodes of Discovery. It’s the best Star Trek since 1979.

Looks more like the Man Who Failed to Bath

I’d rather beef up the ground battle so that on top of the normal staff of the base which should be considerable an entire legion of the Emperor’s best troops is actually there.

So of like the reverse of when the elves come to Helm’s deep.
The Rebels have seemingly subdued the base personnel and have planted their explosives (though I would plant them under the dish instead of in the reactor) and then in marches over a thousand troops. With walkers and big guns and then the Ewoks and the Rebels win not because the troops are rubbish but because the Ewoks and the Rebels are better.

There are so many good ideas from those earlier brainstorms which Angel was part of and looking at his website for the first time in years he still has some fresh new ideas. It’s just a crying shame that he ended up being so silly. With Ady deciding not to do certain things he could be on here offering alternatives. Greatly regrettable.

Still here?

^I gathered that my subconscious had raided my trivia store for that film.

INVAR said:

NeverarGreat said:

Chewie’s introduction in the cell is one of the few changes I’d really like to see in even a ‘soft’ fanedit like this. It’s basically a plot hole that Chewie isn’t captured, since 3PO says ‘Lando Calrissian and poor Chewbacca never returned from this awful place’.

To make it work…

To make it “work” all Ady has to do is remove the audio “and poor Chewbacca” so Threepio says ‘Lando Calrissian never returned from this awful place’ and wala! … no more plot hole.

Nice simple change. Fixes lots.

I had this very strange dream about simulated realty. Many of my best dreams have Marlon Brando in them for some reason. At the beginning of the dream he is bored with being overweight and wants to be handsome and slim and make movies more regularly. He works on a film with Val Kilmer and admires him so pays money to occupy his body. Cut to a married lesbian couple who obsess about buying the best rated consumer items from the internet. Their mutual obsession is only made practical by their purchase of space. They argue that they spend too much time in their jobs and can’t enjoy their many lawnmowers anymore. The next characters were childhood sweethearts. But a malfunction in their simulation has caused the man to age. The woman tries her best to look after him while trying to alert the operating system to the fault. She finds her care role too stressful. She finds a simulation company inside her simulation and inserts her husband in it hoping that some time in a young body will repair the damage. She leaves him in there. After many centuries the simulation has degraded the world has become pixelated and his wife is now sort of like a Minecraft character. He cannot die. Outside there is a war which causes the simulation to breakdown. We find out it’s not really a war but a series of test simulations but the various civilian assets are rescued and moved to a new computer system. The husband and his wife are reunited but they don’t remember each other. They are passionately drawn to each other but hold back because of residual dedication to their earlier selves. Marlon Kilmer is very overweight again and is watching A Streetcar Named Desire. He watches with astonishment as his old young body walks out of the screen and leaves the cinema. The Lesbian couple are overjoyed. The new computer system has granted them infinite space. They may never need to work again. They look forward to getting all the boxes out of the way to the door of the bedroom and finding a place for everything in their collection. They move one box and find a lawnmower catalogue and excitedly contemplate their next purchase.

FVDnz said:

Bingowings said:

regularjoe said:

The Obi-Wan scene is needless, all he does is tell Luke that Leia is his sister. Cut that. Cut it cut it cut it - do it. Now.
Cut this scene and leave the one where Yoda says “there is another Skywalker.” Trim the scene where Luke and Leia talk on Endor to reflect this
NOW
During the end battle Vader says “you have a twin sister” do a flash of Leia via the Force. Yads did this in one of his edits but if my memory is correct I don’t think he scrubbed all the earlier stuff. Now it was Darth Vader who told Luke that he was his father and now it is Darth Vader telling Luke that he has sister, who is now fair play as a target. The scene makes the Skywalker family tree a revelation to Luke, Vader and the Emperor. Luke losing his cool makes even more sense when you cut it this way. I’ve done an edit of RotJ using the Yads edit as a base (the Boba Fett less one) and it works very, very well.

I disagree. I think Ben needs to answer for out and out lying to Luke. If one half of that interlude needs to go it’s Yoda’s death scene. It’s awful and says less.
Particularly positioned where it is in the movie. He hangs around for the whole gap between Luke leaving for Cloud City and coming back from Jabba just to get a bit ill, tired and then die within a space of a few moments and without finishing his final sentence. The whole sequence is comically awful. George is practically screaming at the audience (I DONT WANT TO DO ANY MORE STAR WARS MOVIES). Like Boba Fett its a thing that we don’t even need to see. Luke could be on Tatooine and sense Yoda’s passing if he is a fully trained Jedi Knight. Ben however has to finish telling Luke the story of his father. I would prefer him to do that where he started on Tatooine where there is some actual resonance rather than resting his ghost butt on a tree stump on Dagobah but it’s not my show.

How would it work if Ben revealed his story to Luke on Endor after the Battle had been won? Of course, some dialogue will need to be edited out such as Luke discovering that Leia is his sister. Which would also include having to possibly bring Luke and Leia’s conversation later in the film as well like before or during the celebrations, but it would be difficult with Luke leaving to face Vader in the scene originally. It would be quite an undertaking and could it really disrupt the flow of the ending that much?!

Exposition when necessary should be a springboard. The only way you could have ghost Ben do this on Endor would be as a prelude to a prequel edit. You won, this is where you have come to, now I will tell to a tale of where you came from.

What year is this?