Bingowings

I got enough.

Female character with cute droid investigating ruined space ships meets other female character who encourages her to let the Force in.

Male Character who is raised to fight, crashes on the same planet as female character and seeks a new cause to fight for.

Masked male character part of a group of other masked figures who hero worship Vader is a prominent figure in the faction that previously mentioned male figure seemed to be escaping from.

Han is back now he is a believer in the Force.

Plus splosions and hugs.

That's more non-verbal exposition than the whole of the PT.

TV's Frink said:

SilverWook said:

J.J. directed Armageddon?

 Didn't you know he directed everything people hate?

 I thought there was a suspicious amount of lens flare during my school PE lessons.

They are the numbered prequels. We old timers waited from 1983 to 1999 to get them and look at them.

There is good in them but it's more the themes than the acting directing and editing (though attempts to plain edit out the worst aspects of them have made them watchable, not good mind but watchable).

ROTJ:R won't be delayed by PT:R if anything it will keep Ady busy while aspects of ROTJ:R are inevitably delayed. It will keep him sharp and his skills current and up to date.

But there is potential in the current PT that plain editing can't get to.

For me ROTJ:R and the PT:R are the projects I most wanted to see when I saw my first few stills of ANH:R all those years back. They are the projects that got me to sign up here rather than just lurk.

I have been disappointed by ROTJ since I was 13. I find it almost as much a disappointment as TPM. I want to love Star Wars as a whole not as two and bit icebergs in a sea of chilly sewage. And that includes the PT because I have been thinking about old Ben fighting Vader over a volcanic pit since before ESB.

I know Ady is going his own way but if TFA is good (still an if for me) I would prefer ROTJ:R to not massively contradict it but I'm sure someone will sculpt it along those lines once it is done.

I suspect that Rogue One will be the Episode 3 I waited for.

In ANH we see Obi-Wan able to a limited degree survive death by an act of self sacrifice. Yoda too surrenders to death. Palpatine and Vader opt to extend their lives unnaturally either through Force manipulation or technology. So by letting go of his fear of death in order to save his son Vader is granted the boon of redemption (by the rules of the narrative).

He kills the Emperor, not to defend himself but to defend someone else in certain knowledge that he would not survive.

He couldn't do this without Luke staying his own hand via compassion.

At no point is this planned (unless Yoda was really referring to Anakin as the other hope and he has been building up attachment to his father in total contravention to PT era Jedi codes).

Luke's intention seems to be to rescue his father or die trying.

Vaders intention is to bring Luke into his sphere of influence and kill and replace the Emperor.

The Emperor's intention is to get Luke to kill own Father and be so screwed up by the experience he would have to replace Vader once his friends and the rebels are seen to die.

Ben's intention is that Luke will weaken the Emperor by removing Vader and keep the Emperor busy enough to not notice the station exploding.

Yoda's intention is to get Luke to face his fear, see what Vader has become and not become it. I suspect he could see what would happen next but didn't want to jinx it.

The PT versions of these characters only partially follow this pattern.

PT Yoda has written Anakin off from the moment he met him.

PT Obi-Wan spends the duration of his training of Anakin constantly putting him down or not defending him during every carefully staged moment of humiliation.

PT Sidpatine really has the hots for Anakin.

PT Anidar Doesn't accept refusal or rejection, Loves killing kids and wants to kill all his bosses.

The PT is very weirdly drawn and should have been directed by David Lynch.

I've always thought that it was a mistake to start the third film rescuing Han.

If it was that urgent we would have skipped the bit where Luke's hand heals and had the whole gang leave the fleet with Lando and Chewie.

So for me Luke has spent the gap completing his training (in the absence of a fan-edit he did this telepathically with both Ben and Yoda but with increasingly powerful interruptions from Vader psychically trolling him).

After saving Han with a plan that currently makes no sense at all he goes back to Jedi camp where Yoda can die in confidence knowing that doesn't really make much difference as he can phone in anything else from Jedi Valhalla.

So he has two teachers with conflicting attitudes.

Ben (Fibby-Wan) Kenobi : is more militant. He urges Luke to face the enemy and destroy it.

Yoda is more Taoist. He sees Vader and the fear of becoming Vader as Luke's weakness. He must face his fear for real (in the way he failed in the cave) only then will he receive the secret insight to save the day.

FFWD to DEATH STAR 2 :Electric Boogaloo.

Luke has just gone boingyoingyoing and has a blade at his Father's neck. He has defeated his Father but stands on the edge of becoming Vader or worse.

Palpatine makes the over confident error of gloating about this which wakes Luke up to what has happened. He still has a choice.

He says NOooooooooooooooooOOOOooooooooooooooo! (only in a more dignified way than is usual for this series).

This is the end of Luke's importance to the story. His compassion and Palpatine's dickishness is a wake up call for Anakin. If Luke is willing to throw his potentially long and successful career as the boss of all things away to save his dad from the man, he (being an old barely alive torso in a robosuit) can throw what left of his life (and his backstabby old git of a boss) down an inexplicably placed hole in the floor to save his not so only child.

Luke doesn't really have a plan beyond hoping to save his dad before the station explodes. He totally fell for the boss queen of the galaxy sitting in the unfinished, not operational, barely protected, planet smashing death ray machine schtick.

The plans are made for him by old men, Ben, Yoda, Vader and Palpatine. He might has well have stayed on the farm and let Owen boss him about.

Luke's essential power comes from rejecting the advice of older people and being his own man.

UP YOU...OLD GUYS!

Worf  says : Meme this!

TV's Frink said:

Facebook is so pineapple.

 And there was me thinking it was Bananas. Whatever it's certainly fruity...and nutty.

In the original Marvel comics Chewie got his medal later that evening with Leia standing on a chair because he was too tall.

Why he couldn't go down a few steps is bit of mystery.

I was more miffed that the droids didn't get medals when I was a kid.

Ridley Scott is still a strong visual director but he allowed himself to be associated with a script mangled to death by Lindelof.

I like Super8 and Cloverfield but his first Star Trek is as bad/good as any TNG movie and the second one is truly painful in places. He didn't write the screenplay but he allowed himself to be closely associated with it. He is allowing himself to be closely associated with TFA.

See... unpumpable :-D

I still want to be wrong.

Bingowings said:

TV's Frink said:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/What-we-like-about-the-Prequels/topic/11950/

 ^THIS

 As this thread seems to be going quite strong now wouldn't make sense to cross the streams?

I fear after TPM and Prometheus I am now un-pumpable.

Possessed said:

If it makes you feel better Bingo I thought the original post made sense.  :)

I'm also off my ass.  Life lesson, drink 9 beers and smoke a joint and bingowings starts making sense!

 *sigh* Okay I will let you know...

UPDATE... I'm in a cupboard, under a sink... *whisper* I think it's a couple of years ago... someone's moving around. That's Leonardo's hair... wow...oh no he has shut himself out!.

Hal 9000 said:

kaarma33 said:

http://iamyourfather.movie/en.html

 Wow. That's... 

 Yeah... All due respect to the increasingly mutilated memory of Seb Shaw's performance and the until recently unsung contribution of Bob Anderson, Prowse has earned his face on the screen (his charity work alone is proportion of income wise up their with Lucas). So much of Vader is the body language just watch the last reel of ROTS for further evidence.

His natural voice would be wrong but he is an actor as well as a body.

In that vein these are the same person :

Being a General in a film with no further land battles it makes sense that Veers wouldn't re-appear.

The focus shifts to the fleet commanders (Admirals, Captains etc).

It would have been nice for Veers to still be alive in the ST era.

I hope someone has backed him up too.

I wouldn't be surprised if it had crashed a few times but Ady hopefully backs up everything (please back up everything) :-D

TARKIN : Their fire has gone out of the universe. You, my friend, are all that's left of their religion.

VADER : Yeah... Well strictly speaking though Sith Lords aren't Jedi we do share the same religious Credo just different perspectives on how to use it so The Emperor is also a believer and then there's all those Inquisitors and the Dathomir witches... they believe in the Force and use it's power and there must be dozens of Jedi we missed still out there hiding swamps Etc. And you still hear people say May the Force Be With You, particularly after someone sneezes so... it's not we all went to the Dawkins side or anything.

TARKIN : What's a Dawkins?

VADER : Evolutionary biologist from the future, he married a time traveler.

TARKIN: They believe in evolution in the future?

VADER: Yeah I know...it's kind of quaint, they must have gone through some kind of dark age or something.

TV's Frink said:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/What-we-like-about-the-Prequels/topic/11950/

 ^THIS

Brief corrective interjection here.

I stopped posting on off topic (I still post occasionally on the obituary section and like now to make a specific point about my absence) because it became tiresome and frustrating for me to be frequently called to book over controversial ideas I have come to by use of reason and the application of evidence and open to correction by people who write reams advertising and explaining the "faith of their parents".

You know the drill...

Warb is correct I chose to not write here. He isn't the contributor who brought me to this conclusive act. Maybe when the new forum goes online the fun sections of off topic can be separated from the political (and religion is wholly political in this context) silly sections so I can go back to what I enjoyed doing most here.

I lack the strength of character to keep my fingers from typing when I see something utterly daft or mean spirited on the internet and this leads me into conversations which poke at rather tender inflamed near the bone parts of my personality.

I have the same problem with DerTubez and Faceboot. I've been chased around the web by someone trying to get me to sign an inaccurate petition. I've had people ask me to 'friend' them only to make bitey presuming comments at me. You need a real masochist streak to volunteer to shove your face into that.

As for Warb I think personal comments about him are counter productive. I have come to suspect medical conditions play a part in some of what he says while the bulk of what he says comes from a person trying to do what he thinks is the right thing. Which is admirable and what I try and frequently fail to do.

It would not be a good idea for me to come back to off topic in it's current form and I think it's handy for Warb to have a virtual space to meet up with people and talk about the stuff he talks about.

Fun blethering and all but I'm currently having a Michael Caine moment, stuck in an angry sewer full of shouty pepper pots... again!

GHOST BEN : That boy is our last hope.

YODA : No there are two maybe three others... maybe more... I haven't a clue to be honest I'm just guessing here.

VADER : If he could be turned, he could become a powerful ally.

PALPATINE : Y.....nah, it's too risky. That other kid is more open to suggestion and 'Skywalker's 'apprentice... do we really have keep talking about yourself like this on the phone... is the line tapped or something? ...whatever anyway She's really quite strong and there's the other one and possibly a steam punk one living in a cloud so just kill this Luke kid. I've enough of the whiny brat gene.

YODA : When gone am I the last...

LUKE : of the Jedi I will be?

YODA : amongst the last of a reasonable number, In fact you'd better leave training Leia to one of the other living Jedi masters.

LUKE : Leia? What! What the..?

YODA: She's a Jedi too, well she could be one day, if she was trained properly she is a bit old.

LUKE : The Force runs strong in my family, my father has it... I have it... maybe if I got Leia knocked up we'd have a super Jedi or something?

YODA : Not advisable.

Captain Sulu says :

Oh my! For a minute I thought the hair in my tea was even more exotic.

So that's a no then? :-D

Did anyone ever get TSLCRM to work with the original Xbox version?

All I see are people who almost get it to work but stop writing :-D