BillionaireHobo287

MalàStrana said:

BillionaireHobo287 said:

Please try this order:

1. Despecialized Original Trilogy
2. For newcomers or veterans who haven’t watched the prequels in a while, something that shows why the prequels suck
3. The Force Awakens
4. Star Wars Rebels
5. The to-be-released Star Wars movies when they are released

blablabla

Aren’t you off topic ? There are many other threads to whine about the PT and how they are the worst thing that happened to humanity since Hitler, and this is not the point of this thread (and I’m still stying to figure out what’s worse: seing a “little boy” Vader in TPM or the main protagonists of the OT looking like old hobos in TFA…). Anyway, let’s stay focused on topic.

@ CourtlyHades296
So: I’ve watched the complete GCI series a few month ago. I wasn’t very convinced by the show, which is way too long, hence a selection of what to watch and in what order can be quite useful indeed. I’ve selected 35 episodes based on their quality and material that feed Anakin’s turn and that bridge the PT to the OT (Chewie’s very good cameo, Tarkin’s episodes, Anakin is a cunning warrior and a good friend, etc.) and to “Rebels” (the best of Ahsoka, the best of Maul). I have also kept a few comic episodes with 3PO and R2, none with Jar Jar, and I’ve “deleted” almost everything involving pointless developpements (Mandalore, Maul and Mandalore, Count Dooku and Grievous fooling around, etc.). Here is my best of list, that ends with the 4-part Ahsoka-centric (the best way to finish the show) :

01 (2.16) - Cat and Mouse
02 (1.16) - The Hidden Enemy
03 (1.02) - Rising Malevolence
04 (1.03) - Shadow of Malevolence
05 (1.04) - Destroy Malevolence
06 (1.05) - Rookies
07 (1.06) - Downfall of a Droid
08 (1.07) - Duel of the Droids
09 (1.09) - Cloak of Darkness
10 (1.19) - Storm Over Ryloth
11 (1.20) - Innocents of Ryloth
12 (2.17) - Bounty Hunters
13 (2.05) - Landing at Point Rain
14 (2.06) - Weapons Factory
15 (2.09) - Grievous Intrigue
16 (3.02) - Arc Troopers
17 (3.10) - Heroes on Both Sides
18 (3.12) - Nightsisters
19 (3.13) - Monster
20 (3.14) - Witches of the Mist
21 (3.18) - The Citadel
22 (3.19) - Counter Attack
23 (3.20) - Citadel Rescue
24 (3.21) - Padawan Lost
25 (3.22) - Wookie Hunt
26 (4.06) - Nomad Droids
27 (4.19) - Massacre
28 (4.20) - Bounty
29 (4.21) - Brothers
30 (4.22) - Revenge
31 (5.01) - Revival
32 (5.17) - Sabotage
33 (5.18) - The Jedi Who Knew Too Much
34 (5.19) - To Catch a Jedi
35 (5.20) - The Wrong Jedi

As an “Episode 0” I would add Tartatovsky’s “Clone Wars” (everything from the start to Anakin being knighted) and as “Episode 36” the rest (Anakin and Ben going on a mission that happens to be Anakin’s last trial while Grievous conducts the attack on Coruscant), so all the Ahsoka rise and fall story arc would happpen between these two main events.

By the way I wouldn’t watch it within some kind of weird Machete Order. And if you hate TPM so much don’t bother to even only watch the threesome saber fight, without the context of why these characters fight I don’t really see the point of watching it.

It’s not off-topic. I’m talking about the Clone Wars and viewing orders.

Please try this order:

1. Despecialized Original Trilogy
2. For newcomers or veterans who haven’t watched the prequels in a while, something that shows why the prequels suck
3. The Force Awakens
4. Star Wars Rebels
5. The to-be-released Star Wars movies when they are released

The quality of the prequels is neccessary to understand the story decisions of Rebels and the Force Awakens.

It seems strange to skip all prequels, but they are inherently flawed even if they are enjoyable and improved by fans. The original trilogy thrived on its mysteries.

When the Clone Wars was spoken of by Luke and Obi Wan, the reference was organic. The characters acted like if events in a universe were real and the Clone Wars were organically left unexplained and to the imagination. If they explained it, it would be like two adults explaining World War II to each other mid-conversation. The world was immersive and seemed real.

Darth Vader is the ultimate example of less-is-more. The character is so evil that it is extremely difficult to give him both good motivations, agency, and a role as a protagonist, but we do see how deeply he was affected by his past. He’s a half machine monster who could not believe in himself, refers to himself in the third person, and attacks his own son.

If the movies were released chronologically, there would not be any problems like this and the prequels could be viewed, but they weren’t.

Just finished the second draft and butchered it by cutting out a supposedy bad scene (great feedback, asshole!).

Swazzy said:

• Starts religious debate

• Blames Frink for religious debate and disagreeing in saying that all Christians are war mongers

• Ends religious debate

I genuinely think your story treatments are very well done, I just don’t know where you were coming from with that tangent.

Wut.

I didn’t start a debate. I said I was atheist then LordHaseo and Dek Rollins started a debate which I participated in. It’s the equivalent of saying a religious person started a debate because they brought up their religion in a topical non off-topic way.

I didn’t blame Frink for anything! I was offended because he was implying I was some attention-starved troll.

Isn’t ending an off topic debate you did not start supposed to be a good thing?

Thank you for complimenting my treatments!

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TheQuazz said:

BillionaireHobo287 said:

TV’s Frink said:

Oh. I didn’t bother with the original post because fan fiction.

Just because something is made by fans doesn’t mean it will suck (though I understand your point of view). I like to think I at least got some stuff right that Lucas got wrong, and I even did serious RESEARCH about religion.

I think most people in real life would qualify as Sith. Since the Christian religion is the most popular, I based the Sith on them.

Christians ironically don’t follow or even read the Bible and used to lead holy wars and violent crusades. The religions that the Jedi are based on are much less violent than Christianity, so I figured that some Jedi would realize how hypocritical the wars and crusades they were partaking in, which would separate the Jedi into peaceful monks and warriors.

Whenever religious people don’t like their religion anymore, they make a new one, so I had the warriors become the Sith.

My Sith Wars are completely realistic and have real-life parallels just like the Rebellion from the original trilogy was based on World War II and the American Revolution. I’m no historian, but I can’t think of a single war where a guy created two armies only to make them fight each other (simplest least convoluted Clone Wars explanation).

tl;dr: You’re a jerk, Frink.

Can I have your permission to frame this?
EDIT: Just read the rest of your posts, can I have your permission to frame everything you’ve ever written?

You have my permission. He asked, Frink. What else do you expect me to say?

TV’s Frink said:

Because this guy just wants attention, I make a motion of no confidence in this thread.

BillionaireHobo287 said:

Darth Lucas said:

I don’t think anyone is misunderstanding your points. We just have different opinions. I did read all your posts. No need to be a dick about it.

Nonetheless, I look forward to seeing what you come up with.

This Discussion Category is deserted and nothing gets attention, so I put it in General Discussion. Just look for a thread about prequel reboots created by me, BillionaireHobo

I did post that, but there is another reason I posted this thread here and not Script Writing and Rewriting and I even put IN THE FIRST PAGE IN A COMMENT AGAINST YOU(before the debate even started): I wanted to tap into people’s imaginations instead of George’s by thinking about a prequel trilogy where there is no Anakin or Obi Wan or Clone Wars.

Besides, can you blame me? How do you improve your writing by getting feedback if you don’t get any feedback? This isn’t some attention-starved thing like you are making it out to be.

Because Frink is a judgemental guy and people are looking to ban me, I say the religious debate ends now. Stop talking about interesting things and instead make up interesting things. I’ve received enough feedback on my prequels, so be creative and show off your set of prequels!

Dek Rollins said:

BillionaireHobo287 said:

Guys! Let’s not be like Christians! Let’s all be friends. Peace for the world and watermelons for the living!

In addition to Frink’s remark, what you say here is pretty much what most real Christians want (when taking out the religious aspect of course).

Christians want every living person to have a watermelon? I’m not saying all atheists do, that’s just me.

No, that’s what they say they want, but if there’s anything remotely positive to come from conflict and war, they’ll go for it 100%. Even if they hear somebody supporting war on the news, they’ll jump on the bandwagon without a second thought.

That’s most Christians today. Not even counting the Christians of the past.

TV’s Frink said:

BillionaireHobo287 said:

Let’s not be like Christians!

I didn’t realize all Christians are the same.

Now you know!

ATMachine said:

Anchorhead said:

If they cast Solo correctly and stick to a serious story, A Han Solo stand-alone could be be really interesting. They need to stay away from the OT. The world is very aware of Han Solo and who he is as a person. We don’t need a bunch of name-checks or OT references. Something along the lines of the Brian Daley novels. Han Solo and Chewie long before we ever met them.

I’d go with Stars’ End and tweak it as necessary. Show us The Corporate Sector. Let us meet Jessa. That’s a perfect spot for a female lead. Nothing wrong with taking a break from The Empire, The Force, and The Sith for a few hours. I’d certainly welcome it.

Emma Stone in her natural blonde would make a great Jessa.

She’d probably make a better go of it than Chris Evans.

Don’t let your memes be dreams. Also, isn’t Jessa supposed to be female? Why the heck are you bringing Chris Evans into this?

imperialscum said:

BillionaireHobo287 said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

BillionaireHobo287 said:

I hope you enjoy(ed) my take on Captain (now promoted to General) Phasma!

Ah, just a word on that: Promoting her from captain to general is problematic.

Going off of appearances, Phasma’s an army officer, not a naval one. In the American army, at least, the rank of captain is a relatively low one; it’s one step above 1st lieutenant, four steps behind brigadier general, the lowest ranking general. Were she to receive a promotion, the rank of major or – if you want her to skip a grade – lieutenant colonel would be a more reasonable choice.

On the other hand, if she is a naval officer, then she can’t be a general since there are no generals in the navy. She would be an admiral.

Star Wars isn’t real life. The First Order ranking system can be completely different, and besides, the Supreme Leader (pretty sure they don’t have Supreme Leaders in the America army) specifically promotes Phasma to General because Hux has failed and he thinks she can succeed at bringing Finn to the dark side (had a vision or something like the ones the Emperor, Vader, and Luke used to have in the original trilogy).

That is just a very bad excuse. Why take real life rank names in the first place if you don’t intend to make it reasonable. Audience isn’t stupid and such things get annoying. The filmmakers are just lazy and ignorant and just randomly throw in some “cool sounding” ranks. Why not make a minimal research and make her colonel in the first place and now there would be no problem.

And Supreme Leader isn’t a military rank. It seems like state position equivalent to Führer.

Tell that to JJ Abrams, not me.

It’s not even really that poor of an excuse. So you’re berating the filmmakers for making fake stuff up when the entire purpose of writing is to make fake stuff up. ??? Besides, if they based the First Order ranking system on the American army, I don’t think the parallel would make a whole lot of sense.

Guys! Let’s not be like Christians! Let’s all be friends. Peace for the world and watermelons for the living!

LuckyGungan2001 said:

BillionaireHobo287 said:

Linas Ren walks up the steps and to Ben.

Also, while your script has some good parts, the villains are protrayed as squabling idiots, not at all threatening, and the dialogue is kind of lame, it also seems rushed, and a lot of it is filler.

I try to make the Knights only threatening when the heroes are around, so that their personalities can shine when the heroes are not around. With Captain Phasma, I tried to go full badass though, and I’m not sure if I succeded. I agree with you on the dialogue, especially for Act III.

I would ask for a co-writer for my script(I’m Team Alchemy on Celtx Script), but I think that’s asking too much. I don’t really want to end the treatment because I feel like I flubbed parts of it, and now I can’t get the ending I was planning. I think I’ll only wrap up the Finn side of the story here before commiting to the script. With the script, I can even give BB-8 an emotional moment!

EDIT: To give the treatment some closure, I will say this about it and nothing more. Finn and Phasma have an epic and desperate battle. Eventually, Phasma dies victorious because Finn has become a Dark Jedi.

DOUBLE EDIT: You are welcome to steal some ideas from my 7/10-or-less-in terms-of-quality Episode 8 treatment that I posted here (especially since I don’t own Star Wars), but the script is off-limits mine. Please do post your treatments and scripts here though. No offense, but I though most of the ideas in the first four pages were pretty boring.

I think Lucasfilm should make an Aunt Beru spinoff. Because female characters and money XD yeah don’t do that.

Now it’s like female characters bring in more money instead of bringing in less than men like in the past. “Oh, we have to make a Ghostbusters movie” “OK, but do it with an all female cast.” Seriously, Sony was going to make an all-female Spider-Man characters movie and a Spider-Man Aunt May movie! AUNT MAY!!! And you even hear about people wanting an all-female Avengers lineup. That’s not just feminist anymore! It’s sexist! Even sexist ensemble movies have at least one girl, but now people want movies where there are no men. WTF.

Lord Haseo said:

Dek Rollins said:

Lord Haseo said:

…I learned many things about the Bible to fuel my hatred of it…

You actively hate the Bible?

Yes, when it has things passages saying to kill homosexuals (and pretty much everyone else who isn’t a straight worshiper of Yahweh), a raped virgin must marry her rapist and a woman should not have authority over a man how could I not hate it?

Preach (how ironic to say when we are atheists).

Even believing the Bible is convoluted. It’s been altered and mistranslated for centuries (assuming the original Bible is somehow true, everybody who worships an altered Bible is going to hell which means everybody is going to hell) and the Bible itself gives four contradicting accounts of how the world was created.

How to become an atheist:
Step 1: Read the Bible.
Step 2: Understand the Bible.
Step 3: Think about the Bible.
Step 4: Profit.

Darth Lucas said:

I don’t think anyone is misunderstanding your points. We just have different opinions. I did read all your posts. No need to be a dick about it.

Nonetheless, I look forward to seeing what you come up with.

This Discussion Category is deserted and nothing gets attention, so I put it in General Discussion. Just look for a thread about prequel reboots created by me, BillionaireHobo

Did I just kill this thread with my ACT III? I guess there will be no conclusion to the story here. I’m adapting my treatment into script form so anybody who wants the ultimate version of my Episode VIII can PM me for it after I post here announcing the script’s completion.

ATMachine said:

BillionaireHobo287 said:

ATMachine said:

My Sith Wars are completely realistic and have real-life parallels just like the Rebellion from the original trilogy was based on World War II and the American Revolution. I’m no historian, but I can’t think of a single war where a guy created two armies only to make them fight each other (simplest least convoluted Clone Wars explanation).

Well, there was that one time Satan rebelled in Heaven…

And theological connections vis-a-vis Palpatine do seem to have been on GL’s mind in the prequels. Darth Plagueis’ name, for instance, is a Paradise Lost reference.

I can’t tell what your first comment means. Are you saying the Rebellion is like Lucifer? (Lucifer became Satan AFTER rebelling) Do you think Lucifer created two armies and made them fight each other?

More like God in the backstory to the Bible, who created a host of angels who proceeded to divide into warring two camps - one made up of rebels led by Lucifer, the other of loyalists led by St. Michael - and fight each other. This kind of makes Palpatine comparable to the Gnostic idea of the Demiurge.

As I said above, the name “Darth Plagueis” comes from Milton’s poem Paradise Lost. Specifically, it comes from Book II, lines 170-174, where the demon Belial counsels against renewing war with Heaven on the grounds that God has terrifying powers of revenge:

What if the breath that kindl’d those grim fires
Awak’d should blow them into sevenfold rage
And plunge us in the flames? or from above
Should intermitted vengeance arm again
His red right hand to plague us?

The “red right hand” mentioned here is actually that of God. Compare Palpatine’s assertion that Plagueis could use the Force to create life in quasi-divine fashion. (Virgin birth, anyone?)

Yeah, I don’t think that’s a good comparison. God isn’t like Palpatine because Palpatine specifically created the droids and clones to fight and nothing else.

Besides, talk about real wars, plz. The only reason I know so much about religion is because I am atheist.

Obi Wan is pretty much the last character left that truly should receive a spinoff. Afterwards, Disney’s probably going to go crazy with the Old Republic and Legacy eras or reboot the prequels. Pitch the movie or first read my pitch for inspiration:

CRAZY OLD BEN: A STAR WARS STORY

• Set between Episode IV and Episode III
• Completes Obi Wan’s transformation into a wise Jedi master and Anakin’s transformation into the badass Darth Vader
• features a grudge match between Darth Vader, Maul, and Obi Wan Kenobi
• Darth Vader searches for Obi Wan desperately in order to exact vengeance
• Obi Wan learns the true way of the Force alongside Yoda (midichlorians and all the stupid prequel stuff are debunked)

ATMachine said:

My Sith Wars are completely realistic and have real-life parallels just like the Rebellion from the original trilogy was based on World War II and the American Revolution. I’m no historian, but I can’t think of a single war where a guy created two armies only to make them fight each other (simplest least convoluted Clone Wars explanation).

Well, there was that one time Satan rebelled in Heaven…

And theological connections vis-a-vis Palpatine do seem to have been on GL’s mind in the prequels. Darth Plagueis’ name, for instance, is a Paradise Lost reference.

I can’t tell what your first comment means. Are you saying the Rebellion is like Lucifer? (Lucifer became Satan AFTER rebelling) Do you think Lucifer created two armies and made them fight each other?

The prequels had religion in mind, but the references were fucked up in the worst way.

The Jedi, once based on Taoism and Zen Buddhism in the original trilogy, became more like Christians. Darth Vader was inexplicably paralled with Jesus Christ (with the whole “the savior” and virgin birth stuff), which made the Force exclusive. If you don’t have a bunch of Force juice/midichlorians, you can’t use the Force or be the Chosen One! In the original trilogy, even a wrinkly green midget who can barely move can be a wise master! (though later it was revealed that green midget can perform barrel rolls in the air while carrying a laser sword)

HansiG said:

Bingowings said:

I would like to watch the films in order of density.

Attack of the Clones
Revenge of the Sith
The Phantom Menace

Original and TFA aren’t dense enough to even be bothered with

“It’s so dense. Every single image has so many things going on.” - the immortal words of Rick McCallum

TV’s Frink said:

Oh. I didn’t bother with the original post because fan fiction.

Just because something is made by fans doesn’t mean it will suck (though I understand your point of view). I like to think I at least got some stuff right that Lucas got wrong, and I even did serious RESEARCH about religion.

I think most people in real life would qualify as Sith. Since the Christian religion is the most popular, I based the Sith on them.

Christians ironically don’t follow or even read the Bible and used to lead holy wars and violent crusades. The religions that the Jedi are based on are much less violent than Christianity, so I figured that some Jedi would realize how hypocritical the wars and crusades they were partaking in, which would separate the Jedi into peaceful monks and warriors.

Whenever religious people don’t like their religion anymore, they make a new one, so I had the warriors become the Sith.

My Sith Wars are completely realistic and have real-life parallels just like the Rebellion from the original trilogy was based on World War II and the American Revolution. I’m no historian, but I can’t think of a single war where a guy created two armies only to make them fight each other (simplest least convoluted Clone Wars explanation).

tl;dr: You’re a jerk, Frink.

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HansiG said:

You dont need to change any of the events in PT to make them good. Just different dialogue, less CG, less annoying Jar jar and better acting

So Qui Gon still finds out Anakin has- woah!-a bunch of midichlorians!?!? So Anakin is still the Chosen One even though he basically destroys the galaxy and is responsible for the deaths of children and genocide and destruction of planets and the loss of his son’s hand and the insanity of his grandchild (kylo ren oops spoilers) and almost more than half a century of war and oppresion via the Empire and the First Order?

So Padme still can’t marry Anakin because- gasp! - she’s a senator?!?!

So the Jedi are still really fucking dumb and couldn’t see a conspiracy if it slapped them in the face and pooped on their toenail collection?!?! So Palpatine and Yoda still have lightsabers even though Yoda is clearly physically weak in the Empire Strikes Back and does not like violence and Palpatine is a Sith who considers lightsaber “Jedi weapons”?

Think before you say plz.

TheQuazz said:

I’m guessing your name is Mark.

Nah. I don’t Gary Stu, and my name starts with a J.