It’s no secret that each entry in the PT had extensive reshoots, with some more obvious than others. Things like terrible wigs, stand-ins, etc. definitely give it away. I was curious if anybody has picked apart the principal photography vs. reshoot ratio for those movies.
Y’know, as somebody who liked the Dark Horse comics from the ‘00s, reusing the name “Jabiim” for a largely-inconsequential place felt odd.
Hell, I too cringe at my r/SaltierThanKrayt act on here. This isn’t some awful hive of reactionaries just because they don’t like the new media coming out (save for a few posters who aren’t here anymore). This place doesn’t have that same “poisoned well” as YouTube or Reddit and it’s not worth it fighting political conflicts over a mediocre TV show.
Life’s too short and why be angry about that? I’ve also quit Reddit for the most part, which has improved my mood drastically. Message boards are much better.
Also, if you show a child doing these dark things, it’s too obvious to see the direction they will go down. The Good Son came off as cheesy for that reason.
I’ve only watched the part of the video linked to in the opening post, and this is an interesting subject to me in that it also highlights what George failed to do or show onscreen in the Prequel films. And the continuing attempts since to fix, repair, or explain the shortcomings or problems with the Prequels in the ancillary series and material since. Whether that is 2003 Clone Wars (to an extent), the 2008 film, The Clone Wars series, Rebels, or Tales Of The Jedi and so on. Or official articles and interviews, and the slew of fan-made “George is a secret genius” or “Prequel deeper meaning” material such as Ring Theory, or overlong and videos pieces on fans simply “failing to understand the Prequel films”. None of which changes anything onscreen in the Prequels themselves.
Exactly this! Movies should not have to “make you do homework” to properly understand the themes and characters they’re trying to portray. The prequels require so much “homework” for appreciation like that.
That one uber prequel apologist, So Uncivilized, lost all credibility for me when he championed Nerdonymous’ video.
“Banana Man” Bill Olsen did so much for the preservation of Z-grade movies, it makes up for how cantankerous he could be towards customers and for all the offensive stuff he said on livestreams.
This screepcap of him is still very funny.
I’m just wondering if another “From a Certain Point of View” book will come out.
Never say in two hours what you can easily say in 30 minutes or less. Brevity makes points far more digestible and less cluttered.
I always see this coming from the same soys who think the RLM plinkett reviews of Star Wars are masterpieces despite being hours and hours long and containing about two minutes worth of substance.
Soys
LOLZ, way to discredit yourself immediately. And I don’t think the Plinkett reviews hold up well at all, outside of the bits that feel like the re-enactments from a ‘90s true crime show.
Never say in two hours what you can easily say in 30 minutes or less. Brevity makes points far more digestible and less cluttered.
However, I agree with AniStar that the cleanest solution is to just remove that line from ROTJ. Are we really so purist that we need to destroy the whole thematic value of ROTS’s ending just to avoid cutting even a single line from the OT?
Indeed.
“Do you remember your mother, your real mother?”
“Why are you asking me this?”
“I don’t remember my mother.”
Very simple, doesn’t lose much of the original’s meaning, and without destroying the thematic structure of another movie in the series. If one is to cut “jealous Han” later in that scene, they might as well cut Leia’s contradiction.
Are the reshoots as obvious as they were for the prequels?
It’s also directly lifted from Lego Star Wars II: The Original Trilogy.
Ok, maybe not as cartoonishly so, but still.
What’s conveyed by the writing, cinematography, editing, and cultural context > authorial intent.
I don’t know how useful of an analytical tool this is, but if disagreement between the author and audience is a miscommunication, then we should analytically look at a work both for its intended message and its received message, which are coequal.
That makes sense, the idea of miscommunication that takes into account audience and author perception. I tend to put more weight on audience perception, since it says far more about the effect the work has rather than its intentions. Still, authorial intent is necessary for a comprehensive understanding. Even if it is just one voice among many commentators.
It’s probably my own experiences in fandoms that have me being initially dismissive of authorial intent, especially in fandoms where authors cling to a creator’s every word as gospel and beg for them to explain away all the sense of mystery and imagination in the worlds they’ve created. The creators’ words should be seen as fallible, ever-evolving, and constantly in conversation with public perception. What an author says on release day is likely to be different from what you say on a making-of documentary years later.
What’s conveyed by the writing, cinematography, editing, and cultural context > authorial intent.
If anything, the 1080p version will be closer to purist in terms of timing (no extended scenes) and music choices (duel music being optional).
Geez, I think this whole dyad solution is a bit convoluted and unnecessary. The dyad works with Ben and Rey because there’s an actual connection as they communicate the Force regularly and work together in the end to bring down Papa Palpy. Leia does none of that. The whole drawing of attention to her in RotJ feels like a narrative dead-end. You can’t just say “oh btw she’s your Force-sister” and then do nothing with it.
So, how would you remove the connection?
That’s why removing the sibling connection is a much better approach.
If it was possible to make Luke & Leia a dyad instead of siblings, it’d be much better.
Would we have gotten Creepio if the PT had lived up to its intentions? I remember the Auralnauts guys saying that Threepio had gotten “a raw deal” in the PT and Creepio was their way of riffing on that.
The Falcon’s hyperdrive was an “overclocked” device, possible to replicate on any YT-1300 or similar model.
The reshoot footage in the PT is something you can’t un-notice once you notice it, especially with regard to wigs and fake beards.
I heard all the reasons about Hayden and the Redeeming nonsense created his ghost to become young again lol,
crap…Shaw is a bad choice as well to be honest, since Anakin/Vader died at 45
Anakin/Vader only died at 45 after the prequels made him so young. Shaw was a perfectly fine choice in 1983.
Ghost Shaw worked well in 1983, but It doesn’t anymore. Personally, as I said in my previous post, I’m in favor of replacing the current 20-years old ghost Hayden with a version of Hayden himself that’s closer to his 40s.
Okay, but that doesn’t make it a “bad choice” that they cast Shaw, like you said. You can’t fault them for not having the clairvoyance during the production of RotJ to know that the prequels would contradict them two decades later. It’s not a flaw of the OOT and it’s not something that needed to be fixed.
Yes, but we’re no longer in 1983. Like it or not, there are other films now, and we must see things in a more united context.
Which is why I don’t agree with this attitude toward the OT. The OT came first. The OT portrayed Anakin as being old. The PT contradicted that. It’s not the OT’s fault and it shouldn’t be a good thing to “fix” the OT to fit in with the prequels, the prequels should have fit in with the OT themselves.
I mean, I know that this can annoy many people (especially the cultists of the original theatrical cut), but I am absolutely in favour of “fixing” the OT if this fixing results in a more united and cohesive story and narrows the small contradictions between the movies, again, regardless of who is to blame for these contradictions.
Then why are you posting on the site dedicated to the preservation of the theatrical cuts? Are you like Stardust and other Lucas “cultists” (given that you’re open to using that word) who want to see the OOT buried forever?
Nope. I’m in favour of restoring the OOT for a matter of historical preservation. I don’t hate the Special Editions, on the contrary, I would like other, more updated Special Editions of the OT to be made, but at the same time I would like the OOT to be restored for its historical value.
Y’know, we are of the same mind on this. But I’d SE the PT also.
Maybe we’d have been better off if Lucas just made “The Star Wars” into a novel series. Who knows, maybe it would’ve been adapted into a set of movies?
Maybe. Sometimes I consider the sw77 novelization (The Adventures of Luke Skywalker), Splinter of the Mind’s Eye and the three Han Solo Adventures books to be “true” Star Wars.
My favorite adaptation of Splinter was the Blue Milk Special version.
https://www.bluemilkspecial.com/comic/splinter-of-the-minds-eye-part-40/
I heard all the reasons about Hayden and the Redeeming nonsense created his ghost to become young again lol,
crap…Shaw is a bad choice as well to be honest, since Anakin/Vader died at 45
Anakin/Vader only died at 45 after the prequels made him so young. Shaw was a perfectly fine choice in 1983.
Ghost Shaw worked well in 1983, but It doesn’t anymore. Personally, as I said in my previous post, I’m in favor of replacing the current 20-years old ghost Hayden with a version of Hayden himself that’s closer to his 40s.
Okay, but that doesn’t make it a “bad choice” that they cast Shaw, like you said. You can’t fault them for not having the clairvoyance during the production of RotJ to know that the prequels would contradict them two decades later. It’s not a flaw of the OOT and it’s not something that needed to be fixed.
Yes, but we’re no longer in 1983. Like it or not, there are other films now, and we must see things in a more united context.
Which is why I don’t agree with this attitude toward the OT. The OT came first. The OT portrayed Anakin as being old. The PT contradicted that. It’s not the OT’s fault and it shouldn’t be a good thing to “fix” the OT to fit in with the prequels, the prequels should have fit in with the OT themselves.
I mean, I know that this can annoy many people (especially the cultists of the original theatrical cut), but I am absolutely in favour of “fixing” the OT if this fixing results in a more united and cohesive story and narrows the small contradictions between the movies, again, regardless of who is to blame for these contradictions.
Then why are you posting on the site dedicated to the preservation of the theatrical cuts? Are you like Stardust and other Lucas “cultists” (given that you’re open to using that word) who want to see the OOT buried forever?
Maybe we’d have been better off if Lucas just made “The Star Wars” into a novel series. Who knows, maybe it would’ve been adapted into a set of movies?