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ChainsawAsh said:

RE Anakin:

Using Christensen in TROS might actually convince me to accept Christensen in ROTJ. Though I’d rather see a fanmade ROTJ Christensen ghost that improves on the hack job from 2004.

Also, I…really don’t like aged Hayden in any capacity.

While I liked aged Hayden (as an option), I do agree with the overall sentiment. A more convincing ROTJ Hayden with a happier expression on his face would be get me to enjoy it.

However, I don’t find Shaw to be a “masturbatory fan fantasy,” (anymore than the rest of TROS, anyway). It’s very much a fan desire to see something that fits with the OOT more than the SE. Heck, it’d probably win over a bunch of people.

Anakin Starkiller said:

But don’t you think it’s strange to show a version of Anakin that we’ve never seen?

Tell that to the majority on this forum who for some reason insist on using Shaw.

Well, he actually looks like he’s supposed to be there and has a friendlier expression on his face. Also, it’s a de-facto ROTJ change to bring back Shaw’s ghost, because most of us prefer the OOT.

I like the aged-up Hayden with his ROTS hair (albeit grayed a little). It might help him fit in with his son a bit more. Provided that a similar injection of Hayden stock footage appears in ROTJ (like the previous example and what RougeLeader said), it would work.

However, I’m totally open to having young Anakin (but with the light-colored robes in his closeup) or Shaw (done in the style of Obi-Wan, a photo atop body stock footage). Young Anakin works contextually as well, as he’s appearing in front of Palpatine as the man who he manipulated into evil - he’s young again while Palpatine looks older than ever! Old Anakin worked in the context of the ROTJ ending, as he’s appearing to Luke/Leia as an uninjured version of his masked form. My headcanon is that ghost Anakin can change his appearance depending on the context.

I’d prefer it if the green crystal was Qui-Gon’s, with Qui-Gon being the only prequel Jedi with a green blade. That way, it seems like a “full circle” kind of moment.

I’d go for either 2 or 3 here.

I’m really loving it! The sync and the reactions are damn-near perfect.

Have you thought about attempting a Shaw Anakin version?

I really like it! If we want just Anakin appearing, I’d say this aged-up Hayden works pretty well. Any shots of him pleased from ROTS should suffice (since the unemotive Anakin from the '04/'19SE looks dreadful).

If we’re using the original “three spirits” shots, it’d be a worthwhile experiment to try out different Anakin footage in those two shots. It could either be a new head on Shaw’s body or aged-up/Shaw-merged Hayden’s entire body.

I like the morphing idea between Hayden and Shaw, if only because we only really have two shots of Shaw from ROTJ that’d be appropriate. I’ve headcannon’ed that Anakin’s ghost can shape-shift depending on who he’s around (Shaw for Luke after seeing him without the mask, Hayden for his “base appearance,” and Vader-like if he wanted to frighten a guy), so it’d work for me.

I’m so sorry, Adywan. Hoping you guys stay safe and get through this abnormal time. 😔

The clip compilation was amazing! I love how you’ve improved on the SD shots, corrected the cantina shot, and incorporated feedback on SD (e.g., Obi-Wan doesn’t ignite his saber until after Vader and the Leia reaction shot). 😁

GlastoEls said:

Tantive3+1 said:

I’m with Gary Kurtz in that the DSII and going back to Tatooine were too derivative to ANH. I also believe that like him the ending should’ve been bittersweet with the Rebels winning but with heavy casualties and few survivors (just like in the Battle of Yavin it didn’t have everyone making it afterwards for a happier ending).

My head agrees, but I’m forever grateful to George for not doing that, meaning my childhood is forever alive on Endor watching the Ewoks have a party!

Same. I’m glad that the bittersweet ending was kicked to the curb. I much prefer having a happy ending to the trilogy, even though I wish it was a tetralogy sometimes (i.e., Jabba’s Palace as one movie, Endor as the other - draw out the redemption and sister plotlines more, Han’s rescue is the climax of the palace part, and we get more development of Lando and a few other characters).

Honestly, if “The Empire Strikes Back” and “Return of the Jedi” title cards appeared at the start of their respective movies followed by title-less scrolls, I’d prefer that.

yotsuya said:

A careful review of all the different releases and comparing them to the timeline shows that the original May 1977 version of the film (see Moth3r’s bootleg and Puggo Grand) had 4 differences. 3 FX shots and the end credits. Not to mention the soundtrack.

I’m curious, which FX shots are replacements?

Lego Star Wars beat us to the punch! Still, I’ve always liked the idea.

I’d support fan edits that eliminated episode numbers for the OT. It’s probably just me, but it allows for more flexibility in the series and gets rid of needing to watch either the PT or the ST.

I’m one of the people who wishes for faneditors to make the most out of “save the reveal.” I know the way in which the movies were made and marketed, but that way truly blew.

I’d like a link, please.

I just like ROTJ how it is. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

I suppose splitting ROTJ into two movies would have been an ideal pursuit. Draw out Vader’s redemption by having him go semi-turncoat, slowly demonstrating the error of his ways and undoing his damage from within. Maybe he spends more time with Luke, as Luke planting the seeds of doubt and pulls some of the “light” out of him.

Something akin to how Dragon Ball handled Vegeta’s redemption arc would be ideal.

NFBisms said:

I’m just going to adjust the levels a bit on the “Don’t ask me to do that” and “I’m so sorry” (or just remove it, I’ll see how people receive it), and add that dramatic cue Chips suggested for Obi’s appearance. This should more or less be the last thing I figure out before I have a workprint ready.

The “I’m so sorry” is an excellent addition, especially since it makes it look like Obi-Wan still sees potential to redeem Anakin (which is important for Saga continuity, especially ROTJ).

I’m really looking forward to this one. You’re doing good work in making ROTS fit with TCW, especially with Anakin’s arc.

I think you’ve nailed it!

I’m really enjoying this! I think my preference is to have both the “I see through the lies of the Jedi” and “Don’t ask me to do that.” I don’t care for “If you’re not with me,” even though it makes sense in the scene. I could also go for silence since it works well to heighten the tension (as if Anakin is speechless here).

DominicCobb said:

The Lapti Nek scene is pretty short as is. It’s only Jedi Rocks that turns the scene into a musical number. I feel like people forget this.

I’ve just never been keen on it. The terrible puppet kind of kills it for me. If it’s possible to just cut straight from the droid workshop to Leia arriving, I’d take that shot. It would mean erasing Oola, but I’m sure it could be done.

I like what Ady did with ESB Yoda, adding more subtle facial animations and fixing a few errors. If he continues that into ROTJ, I’ll be pleased as punch.

The only puppet that truly is awful in the OOT is Sy Snootles:

Adywan has planned to fix the lip sync and add some animations to the puppet. However, I’d argue that it’s just an awful puppet and further proof of why the whole musical number scene should just use the Lapti Nek instrumental and lose like 30-40 seconds off of its running time.

DrDre said:

marsthgodofwar said:

The biggest change in ESB was the color grading. Where Hoth was originally white, in the SE it is blue. I am torn on the change, because I grew up with the SE color grade and I never hated it.

This is actually not true. The Hoth sequences were originally blue theatrically, but then turned white for the subsequent home video releases.

The “home video” colors are a real sin of a lot of OOT preservations.

I just prefer Adywan’s re-edit, just using the existing footage to tighten it up. Granted, Obi-Wan igniting his saber first is a bit “problematic” and the prequel music doesn’t work (Purist, without music, is better), but it’s better than SC 38.

But for real, Dennis Lawson dubbing over Wedge’s lines in IV and V would have been nice. It would have eliminated “Fake Wedge” before “Fake Wedge” became a thing!

BB-Rey said:

No respect or regard for the Prequels.
Diminishing Anakin’s legacy as the Chosen One.

I don’t mind either of those.