BedeHistory731

I still think SC. 38 looks like a trashy fanfilm and will never rival the original duel. It’s an overcorrection for the '77 duel.

Adywan had the right idea in just recutting the duel to make it seem faster-paced and better-constucted.

G&G-Fan said:

Besides, of course the fight scene is going to be filmed differently then the talking scenes.

But there are certain qualities that are consistent between fight and talking scenes. Lighting, quality of the costumes, filming lenses and other equipment, color grading, etc. No matter how hard you try, SC. 38 blends even worse with the original film than the redone ship effects from 1997.

And it’ll look even more out-of-place and terrible within the context of the movie.

No offense to the guys who worked on the video, but it completely clashes with the movie (even more than the work done in ‘97).

I’ve read nearly everything from Reddit’s Museum of Filth. Little fazes me anymore with gross stuff.

Heck, here’s an idea: use a text-to-speech Yoda voice to read the Swamps of Dagobah story!

I like the ideas of Anakin being both a martial-focused character (due to his upbringing) and Anakin being a Palpatine child/clone.

Like, Adywan kept the tweaks to Vader’s voice from 2004 (designed to make him sound like he did in ESB/ROTJ). I’d prefer to have the Imperial March in Vader’s intro. Maybe have it be the only instance of the motif, to not overshadow “The Imperial Motif” in the one movie where it has pre-eminence.

I also think that’s kind of up to the Jedi’s choice. Kind of like why in Avatar, Roku appears to be really old while Aang looks considerably younger as a spirit (how Korra knows him) than he did when he died (as Tenzin saw him in the Fog of Lost Souls). Aang chose to keep his prime look, while Roku opted to appear aged. The same applies for Anakin and Obi-Wan.

Anakin Starkiller said:

Does “scrap the entire script before filming” count as one thing?

Well that’s not far off from what they did. I always compare the last minute script to Jurassic Park III which actually scrapped its entire script weeks before filming and wrote a new one as they were shooting. The weirdest part is the finished film is actually really good. Shame the same can’t be said for TRoS.

A fellow JPIII defender? Welcome to the club 😁.

Stardust1138 said:

BedeHistory731 said:

SparkySywer said:

Stardust1138 said:

BedeHistory731 said:

I like how the ST we got downplayed the PT (the PT being one okay movie (TPM) and two shit ones (AOTC/ROTS). The PT’s version of the force is too sci-fi for me and the proposed ST seems to double-down on that. I don’t see any Joseph Campbell in “the microbial world.”

Quotes from Joseph Campbell:

“Between mythology and biology there is a very close association. I think of mythology as a function of biology; it’s a production of the human imagination, which is moved by the energies of the organs of the body operating against each other. These are the same in human beings all over the world and this is the basis for the archetypology of myth. So, I’ve thought of myself as a kind of marginal scientist studying the phenomenology of the human body, you might say.”

"I would say that all of our sciences are the material that has to be mythologized. A mythology gives the spiritual import – what one might call rather the psychological, inward import, of the world of nature round about, as understood today. There’s no real conflict between science and religion. Religion is the recognition of the deeper dimensions that the science reveals to us. What is in conflict is the science of 2000 B.C., which is what you have in the Bible, and the science of the twentieth century A.D. You have to disengage the messages of the Bible from its science. "

“What I’m trying to say is that the structuring of a mythology is conditioned by the science at that time. There’s no use constructing a mythology based on an archaic science. I wouldn’t know what to do with an atom, but I do recognize that when we had a Ptolemaic cosmology there was a whole interpretation of the relationship of the earth to the different planes of the universe that was mythologized. What happened to that was it was given an ethical and moral value, the stages of a ladder of the heavens represented the stages of the psyche.”

None of this has anything to do with Midichlorians

Heck, I’d have loved a straight retcon of Midichlorians as a symptom of larger issues within the Jedi Order. Saying they were a bullshit idea the Order adopted in their decline as a means of selection for child abduction.

No thank you. I feel that would truly be a slap in the face to all six of George’s films and The Clone Wars. Star Wars has always been about symbiotic relationships and helping people. It’s just The Phantom Menace made it central to the plot and started to explore it on a deeper more ethereal level.

A slap in the face to only three movies. The OT would be unaffected. Midichlorians were and still are stupid to me.

I like the theme of symbiosis in TPM, but Midichlorians weren’t a part of it for me. They’re a symbol of The Jedi Order’s emphasis on materialism over spirituality.

SparkySywer said:

Stardust1138 said:

BedeHistory731 said:

I like how the ST we got downplayed the PT (the PT being one okay movie (TPM) and two shit ones (AOTC/ROTS). The PT’s version of the force is too sci-fi for me and the proposed ST seems to double-down on that. I don’t see any Joseph Campbell in “the microbial world.”

Quotes from Joseph Campbell:

“Between mythology and biology there is a very close association. I think of mythology as a function of biology; it’s a production of the human imagination, which is moved by the energies of the organs of the body operating against each other. These are the same in human beings all over the world and this is the basis for the archetypology of myth. So, I’ve thought of myself as a kind of marginal scientist studying the phenomenology of the human body, you might say.”

"I would say that all of our sciences are the material that has to be mythologized. A mythology gives the spiritual import – what one might call rather the psychological, inward import, of the world of nature round about, as understood today. There’s no real conflict between science and religion. Religion is the recognition of the deeper dimensions that the science reveals to us. What is in conflict is the science of 2000 B.C., which is what you have in the Bible, and the science of the twentieth century A.D. You have to disengage the messages of the Bible from its science. "

“What I’m trying to say is that the structuring of a mythology is conditioned by the science at that time. There’s no use constructing a mythology based on an archaic science. I wouldn’t know what to do with an atom, but I do recognize that when we had a Ptolemaic cosmology there was a whole interpretation of the relationship of the earth to the different planes of the universe that was mythologized. What happened to that was it was given an ethical and moral value, the stages of a ladder of the heavens represented the stages of the psyche.”

None of this has anything to do with Midichlorians

Exactly. While I misspoke earlier with Campbell, I stand by my point of not wanting the microbial stuff involved in it. That just takes it too close to sci-fi and gets way too “in the weeds” within the story. I’ll take what we got over the big microbial adventure.

Heck, I’d have loved a straight retcon of Midichlorians as a symptom of larger issues within the Jedi Order. Saying they were a bullshit idea the Order adopted in their decline as a means of selection for child abduction.

I like how the ST we got downplayed the PT (the PT being one okay movie (TPM) and two shit ones (AOTC/ROTS). The PT’s version of the force is too sci-fi for me and the proposed ST seems to double-down on that. I don’t see any Joseph Campbell in “the microbial world.”

Treverrow’s script felt like a Game of Thrones-level middle finger (albeit with some good ideas), while the GL sequel trilogy would need extensive revision (getting rid of Midichlorians and the microscopic stuff). I’m not keen on what we got, but I feel slightly reassured knowing it could’ve been so much thrashier.

Replace Palpatine in TROS with the skeleton/corpse from Nekromantik, complete with the pipe dick.

Star Wars was a mistake. Just, the whole franchise was a mistake. I side more with TestingOuttheTest, but I stand by regretting the existence of this godawful franchise.

Why has nobody thought to just redub “Fake Wedge” instead of some complicated process? It’d be easier, look better, and you wouldn’t need any machine-learning tech to make it work. Consumer-grade microphones are probably at the right level now.

I only really support deepfakes for de-aging or for replacing obvious stunt/photo doubles. I don’t like the idea of “erasing” actors and their performances.

Anakin Starkiller said:

Eh, I’d rather old man Ewan. It’s a lot less footage to replace and Guinness would probably have preferred his involvement be forgotten anyway.

I’d rather neither. Ewan was cast because of his resemblance to Alec. Nobody needs to be “deepfaked” to sell it, since they’re playing the same character at two very different points in said character’s life.

Also, I wouldn’t mind if Alden Ehrenreich ranted on social media about deepfakes trying to “erase” him.

Ed Slushie said:

That just sounds like animation with extra steps…
(not saying it’s a bad idea though.)

Specifically, mocap-based animation/rotoscoping with extra steps.

OK, I didn’t think you’d take it that hard. I just don’t like the scene. Maybe I got too hyperbolic.

G&G-Fan said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

Maybe I’m confusing it with mood, but Vader’s presence in ANH is something that’s more ominous. He’s often not the focus of the shot, and it creates this really great eerie effect; like how Leia backs up into him when Alderaan’s about to be destroyed. Vader inspires dread throughout ANH, but his hallway scene is all about terror. And that’s fine, that’s great, but explosive Vader shouldn’t be his opening. It should come at the end during his duel with Obi-Wan so that it feels like a major payoff to the hints that they both possess incredible power.

I guess I can see where you’re coming from. But I mean, Vader shows his power in the beginning when he literally lifts a man up with one hand, so its not like they were holding out until the end.

BedeHistory731 said:

I just hate the hallway scene. The fandom ruined it for me. If it would be feasible to cut it and not lose any plot, I would leap at the opportunity.

I adore it. One of my favorite Star Wars scenes now.

I still hate it and would rank it as the worst scene in the series. It represents everything wrong with Star Wars fans, how all they want is just mindless scenes of “cool characters” using lightsabers for violence.

I like my Vader far more subdued, not this videogame nonsense.

I just hate the hallway scene. The fandom ruined it for me. If it would be feasible to cut it and not lose any plot, I would leap at the opportunity.

Harmy said:

That will depend on what comes out first. But if 4K80 comes out first, then it will definitelly be a source.

I’m curious, which print scan are you currently using?

Different lightsaber builds or crystals produce the variants in ignition noises. That’s why Sith lightsabers make their distinctive sound, while Jedi blades largely make the ANH ignition sound (the ROTJ sfx being specific to a certain hilt/crystal designation).

Also, wasn’t the PT (especially ROTS) known for reshoots? Weren’t Anakin’s reasons for falling to the dark side completely changed during production?

I just donated. Wishing you and your mother the best.

Hoop28 said:

BedeHistory731 said:

G&G-Fan said:

His whole channel is overanalyzing things in the search for misogyny where none exists.

That and taking so long in between uploads it’d make Fredrik Knudsen/Atrocity Guide blush. Except your average Fredrik Knudsen video has five times the research that Pop Culture Detective does and is invariably more engaging. Why watch another “these movies don’t like women and are therefore bad” video when I can learn about the Austrian Wine Poisoning, the Dolphin House, Deep Blue, the HaseKara Calamity/doxing saga, or TempleOS?

Pop Culture Detective got popular because he was on the “good” side of GamerGate, not because of any serious talent as a video essayist. While I do like some of his videos and agree with a lot of his points (e.g., why prison rape jokes are terrible), he’s hardly a standout.

But back on topic. My suggestions for little edits to better blend OT and PT would be to add back in the “this Sith Lord, sent by the Emperor, will be our undoing” line into ANH, the aforementioned Obi-Wan line tweaks, and maybe a little vision sequence in ROTJ to include a slight ROTS throwback (so Luke knows the face of young Anakin/Padme’s name). That way, an upgraded Hayden ghost (i.e., no Shaw body and a more wholesome smile) and Vader saying “Padme once thought as you do.” makes sense.

These are really good ideas, I especially like the one about adding Tagge’s Sith namedrop to ANH. Has anyone been able to find HD footage of that scene? I’ve only been able to find the hand-held celebration camera footage.

I think it made its way into some Lost Cut footage, with far cleaner audio. It’s from the same camera set-up as Tagge’s later shot in the conference room scene, so it could be as easy as animating his lips to match the words.

G&G-Fan said:

His whole channel is overanalyzing things in the search for misogyny where none exists.

That and taking so long in between uploads it’d make Fredrik Knudsen/Atrocity Guide blush. Except your average Fredrik Knudsen video has five times the research that Pop Culture Detective does and is invariably more engaging. Why watch another “these movies don’t like women and are therefore bad” video when I can learn about the Austrian Wine Poisoning, the Dolphin House, Deep Blue, the HaseKara Calamity/doxing saga, or TempleOS?

Pop Culture Detective got popular because he was on the “good” side of GamerGate, not because of any serious talent as a video essayist. While I do like some of his videos and agree with a lot of his points (e.g., why prison rape jokes are terrible), he’s hardly a standout.

But back on topic. My suggestions for little edits to better blend OT and PT would be to add back in the “this Sith Lord, sent by the Emperor, will be our undoing” line into ANH, the aforementioned Obi-Wan line tweaks, and maybe a little vision sequence in ROTJ to include a slight ROTS throwback (so Luke knows the face of young Anakin/Padme’s name). That way, an upgraded Hayden ghost (i.e., no Shaw body and a more wholesome smile) and Vader saying “Padme once thought as you do.” makes sense.