Now I’m really pushing for a “Boba Fett is 100% dead, no questioning it” edit of ROTJ.
Yeah, George deserves the benefit of the doubt with culturally-coding characters in a way that JK Rowling does not. I know it sounds like I’m going off on Rowling a lot, but she’s become the face of “separate the art from the artist.”
That “lived-in universe with a cultural heritage and history” is why I appreciate the Avatar: The Last Airbender series so much. Bryan and Mike went out of their way to give the four nations their distinctive cultures and bring a sense of history to the world. Heck, fan artists make renderings of past avatars based on statues seen in the series to expand upon their work. I’m not the biggest fan of The Legend of Korra, but I appreciate how Bryan and Mike tried to move the series forward and how they had to fight Nickelodeon tooth-and-nail at times. The Kyoshi novels are a fine prequel, doing a lot to expand upon the history of the series’ world and its historical figures.
Yeah, I’m at that point too. I’m just glad George doesn’t have the stigma of a JK Rowling, as he doesn’t use his platform to promote hate towards a marginalized group. I also don’t think George wrote in classist and xenophobic stuff into his work like Rowling did either.
Like Watto, Jar-Jar, and the Nemoidians seem more accidentally “coded” than Rowling intentionally making the banking class of wizarding society a bunch of hook-nosed people.
Sequel hate and prequel apologia - name a better combination!
So Uncivilized should be tossed in the same bin as Fandom Menace. A more eloquent and educated Fandom Menace member, but Fandom Menace nonetheless. I haven’t trusted them since they sang the praises of that video that “debunked” How Star Wars was Saved in the Edit.
I enjoy his videos but it’s good we can’t all agree. I’d also say the dubunking video isn’t wrong. Marcia Lucas has said as much in Howard Kazanjian’s book. I highly recommend it. It was all a collaboration between different creatives.
I’d say the debunk contained a few too many personal attacks, but yeah, the Rocketjump original really went too far in the “OT succeeded in spite of Lucas” narrative. It’s the subtle influence of the Plinkett Reviews on Star Wars discourse (which sucks, honestly).
I disagree with So Uncivilized on pretty much every aspect of their arguments, as I’ve grown to truly despise “prequel apologia.” It’s how we get things like Lucas Worship (an over-correction of the highest order) and Star Wars Theory’s batshit ideas about armies of Maul and Grievous clones. It’s better to have a more balanced view of the PT that doesn’t descend into pure apologia to put down the ST.
Still, this person’s stuff isn’t as awful as Pop Culture Detective’s The Case Against the Jedi. The TL;DW of that one is “the PT is really sexist and George wrote his animosity towards women into the movies!” That’s a hilarious reach of ever there was one.
The Star Wars Sequels: Disney’s Anti-Trilogy
Sequel hate and prequel apologia - name a better combination!
So Uncivilized should be tossed in the same bin as Fandom Menace. A more eloquent and educated Fandom Menace member, but Fandom Menace nonetheless. I haven’t trusted them since they sang the praises of that video that “debunked” How Star Wars was Saved in the Edit.
They completely ruined his character in Last Jedi, and now we are finally seeing him do something a lot of fans wanted to see from the beginning. TRAINING HIS STUDENTS. Not him being a miserable failure like they presented him in the ST.
Either that is setting up him trying to follow the ancient Jedi dogma too strictly and failing as he indicates in TLJ, or it is out of character.
That seems to be exactly what’s happening. If Grogu chooses the beskar, it’s likely that Luke will double down on the ancient dogma too much. If Grogu chooses the lightsaber, that will also lead Luke down the dogmatic path.
As a fan of TLJ and how it handled Luke’s character arc, I take umbrage with that statement. It seems you can’t go a page on here without rampant ST hate and a willingness to vilify anybody who defends it.
If anything, this most recent episode is showing how Luke became the person he despised in TLJ. This is him as his pride and inexperience was getting the better of him.
I don’t remember vilifying anyone for liking or defending it. I think the ST is awful and completely ruined the entire saga, but hey if you like it that’s cool.
It absolutely did not ruin the saga, but if you want to hate it that’s cool. I’m more referring to the gatekeeping in the post you initially quoted.
I for one am hoping that whatever this “climactic story event” ending to Mando, Boba, and the Ashoka show can be a satisfying Post-OT conclusion, since the ST did the exact opposite for me.
Why not just make the OT your conclusion? That is what some people here want anyway.
As a fan of TLJ and how it handled Luke’s character arc, I take umbrage with that statement. It seems you can’t go a page on here without rampant ST hate and a willingness to vilify anybody who defends it.
If anything, this most recent episode is showing how Luke became the person he despised in TLJ. This is him as his pride and inexperience was getting the better of him.
Apparently.
I’m of the the opinion that as much as I love Star Wars, it’s kind of limited. I’ve mentioned this on forums before, and people have responded by saying that the galaxy far far away has all this unlimited potential for different stories. But it really seems like all anybody wants is endless stories about Luke, Han, and Leia.
This is such a disgrace. Disney is not killing SW: it’s the ones who praise this shit who are responsible.
Wow, I didn’t think you’d resort to insulting people who like this series. But here we are!
Indeed, that does make some sense. It’s a bit too much directed violence for Luke to commit (chopping off Boba’s hand).
If we want a “Boba Fett dies, no going back from it” (which I do), I’d suggest having his jet pack spark before Han’s hit, with the hit leading it to launch and explode midair (I.e., the rocket on his jet pack blows up). One could even show him sailing clear of the sail barge and exploding about a dozen meters away from it. Show the helmet dropping to the ground and one can easily assume what happened.
This would be for an edit that ignores the Disney+ shows, the modern EU and the legends EU. Or an edit that assumes that the Boba from Mando and BOBF is a fake who took on Boba’s identity (which may be more palatable for some).
If anything, Tarkin is a regional manager while Vader is member of central management. Their jurisdictions don’t totally overlap, so it makes sense that Vader defers to the guy who is in charge of the Death Star project. In both Legends and Modern Canon, Vader doesn’t really care enough about the battle station to know all the details.
This is, as Rich Evans said, an “intellectually bankrupt franchise” and it always has been. Expecting it to be any different now is hilarious.
Star Wars was a mistake. 😉
It’s because I like joking around about how negative this forum can get, as the wink would indicate.
This is, as Rich Evans said, an “intellectually bankrupt franchise” and it always has been. Expecting it to be any different now is hilarious.
Star Wars was a mistake. 😉
…hence my specification of “blown to bits, head falling off body.”
That sounds uncharacteristically gory.
Yeah, but it can also be done in a more subtle way that involves a definitive death.
I propose a version for people who don’t like Mandalorian S2 or Book of Boba Fett. One would see damage on the jetpack after the tumble, which leads the jetpack to launch and explode after Han hits it. It’d be a simple effect to show Boba exploding in mid-air, with body parts going everywhere and the head falling into the sarlacc’s mouth (to keep the burp). It seems easy to keep that within 1983-style effects.
I think Dave Filoni’s work on Clone Wars, Rebels and Mandalorian season 1 is generally great. Either Jon Favreau or massive fan expectations or both have been a bad influence on him.
I find The Clone Wars to be the sort of series one watches to pass the time, nowhere near the TV masterpiece everyone is making it to be, and I absolutely despise Rebels.
Seriously, I don’t get why Filoni is so highly regarded.
Well, he was a director on the first season of Avatar: The Last Airbender. By coincidence, I’d argue that it’s the weakest season of the three. It’s still good, just not as good as the other two seasons.
LEGO games never have a noteworthy modding scene.
That’s true, but they are out there. It’ll probably be minor mods, like tweaking character’s appearances (e.g., Anakin with a different hair model and a Sebastian Shaw ghost).
If you want a Star Wars game with an amazing modding scene, stick to 2005’s Battlefront II or Empire at War.
There’s the “Won’t be long now, Solo” line in Battlefront II. It might make a good replacement for “Put Captain Solo in the cargo hold.”
I really like what you’ve done here! Aside from the third line, it’s all seamless. Would adding more distortion/slowing down the first part help?
Replace every mention of “The First Order” with “the Sheevaboos.”
Apparently, TT Games has been doing extreme crunch culture since the mid-'00s, only getting worse with time. I’ll wait until it’s on discount and most/all of the DLC is out, as I really don’t like supporting games produced under such circumstances. It’s not as horrendous as some studios, but it’s still an abysmal working environment.
Now its completely non canon due to Disney.
…yet Geroge’s sequel trilogy would’ve also rendered the old EU non-canon. All of those books, comics, and videogames could be stricken from canon the minute a live-action movie or show (or even George-produced show) contradicted it. Look at how TCW wiped out the Traviss-style Mandalorians and altered the name of Korriban.
But back to The Force Unleashed - I would say it’s aged decently enough, but that Fallen Order has a bit more story value to it and that we have TFU to thank for Sam Witwer becoming the definitive voice for Darth Maul.
I thought it was a decent game, albeit one with a canon-breaking storyline and a Gary Stu protagonist (which I despised). My favorite Star Wars games are the classic Battlefront games and Empire at War, partly because of the modding scenes around them. If I want an original story in a classic Star Wars game, I’ll stick with Rogue Leader or Jedi Outcast/Academy.
I still want to see a version with a definitive Boba Fett death, for the people who don’t like The Mandaloian and Book of Boba Fett. He can’t be getting in swoop chases if he got blown into bits at the sail barge fight!
I’m guessing the “Boba Fett dies definitively” change is gone, yes?
