BedeHistory731

How many people here are familiar with Chris-Chan?

I’m thinking of getting an RGH-modded slim model, so I can play all sorts of ROMs I got off the internet (piracy is essential to games preservation). and my old physical games. Playing various emulators on the console is also a nice perk, but they’re not as numerous as the x86-based emulators on the original Xbox (the 360 used PowerPC architecture).

I loved my old 360 and I use a wired 360 controller with my laptop. I just can’t do keyboard+mouse.

JadedSkywalker said:

By definition Disney Star Wars is fanfiction because it isn’t from George Lucas. So i’m not surprised.

I haven’t seen Book of Boba Fett it or Mando for that matter beyond the Luke Skywalker episode and the first season episode 1.

Filoniverse is fanfic its always been. Its never been on the level of Star Wars 1-6. Even though Disney elavated it to such a canon status.

By no means is that condemnation the EU was also fanfic and so is the new EU.

I think that only the works from Lucas should be seen as canon, even bad ones.

I like Filoni fanfiction to a certain degree. I enjoyed Clone Wars and Rebels.

So, does that mean Deep Space Nine is fan fiction because Rodenberry isn’t involved?

CatBus said:

BedeHistory731 said:

I’m curious, CatBus – how much do you think AI upscaling can improve print scans to get mildly closer to camera negatives quality (in terms of making despecialization more seamless)?

It depends a little on how clever the AI is. The only project I’m really following along these lines is DrDre’s, and it looks like the improvements are modest but noticeable. I’m a fan of AI enhancement, but I’m not sure it could ever really approach camera negatives.

I agree with that. The source I’d recommend AI enhancement on the most is the 2004 HDTV/2011 blu-ray. It’s already negative-sourced and it has some shots that look better than the UHD release (in terms of DNR and power windows). The only limitation on that version is that it was (presumably) a 1080p scan and has crushed blacks throughout. With the latter, luma restoration from the UHD might be helpful.

I’m firmly on the detail side of the struggle. My personal goal is to be able to watch the Star Wars trilogy as if it had had a respectful Blu-ray release (we’re talking 1080p here, I’m not picky), akin to other classic films respectfully restored for the format. Imperfect authenticity isn’t a dealbreaker for me, as long as I can’t detect it.

I’m in that boat too. Fortunately, Harmy’s 3.0 seems like it will deliver in that regard (and in 4K, no less). I’d prefer to use as little projection print material as possible, just to make OOT shots possible/allow custom mattes to blend better. It’s why I’m also behind keeping the 2004 HDTV stuff around since it is negative-sourced versions of shots changed in 2011.

I’m curious, CatBus – how much do you think AI upscaling can improve print scans to get mildly closer to camera negatives quality (in terms of making despecialization more seamless)?

I prefer the route Adywan has gone with ANH:R HD, in switching between AI upscale BD and UHD depending on the quality of the shot (with unifying color correction, of course). That’d be the best way to structure a Despecialized version, IMHO (along with print sources). Like take a look at this example:

It makes sense to upscale BD shots when the UHD equivalents get bad. Likewise, luma and details from the UHD can enhance the BD well enough.

Ooh, Albertus! It’s such a wonderful font.

doubleofive said:

BedeHistory731 said:

Telion said:

I was very unsure about adywan’s decition to give Boba Fett a new, finalised death scene given that he would now be returning very much alive. However, after watching what I just watched I have come to the conclusion that Boba Fett died in 1983 and fully support Adywan making sure he stays that way. Very much looking forward to seeing that happen.

It’s safer to assume that Mandalorian/BOBF Boba is a younger Jango Fett clone who believes he’s the real deal (and the other characters just humor him), kind of like how the Batman in All-Star Batman and Robin is likely a random asshole who found a Batman costume in a dumpster.

Can we leave discussion of Book of Boba Fett out of this thread? Adywan has never been beholden to canon before, his trilogy will be his trilogy.

Indeed we can. My bad :\

Telion said:

I was very unsure about adywan’s decition to give Boba Fett a new, finalised death scene given that he would now be returning very much alive. However, after watching what I just watched I have come to the conclusion that Boba Fett died in 1983 and fully support Adywan making sure he stays that way. Very much looking forward to seeing that happen.

It’s safer to assume that Mandalorian/BOBF Boba is a younger Jango Fett clone who believes he’s the real deal (and the other characters just humor him), kind of like how the Batman in All-Star Batman and Robin is likely a random asshole who found a Batman costume in a dumpster.

Now I’m really pushing for a “Boba Fett is 100% dead, no questioning it” edit of ROTJ.

Yeah, George deserves the benefit of the doubt with culturally-coding characters in a way that JK Rowling does not. I know it sounds like I’m going off on Rowling a lot, but she’s become the face of “separate the art from the artist.”

That “lived-in universe with a cultural heritage and history” is why I appreciate the Avatar: The Last Airbender series so much. Bryan and Mike went out of their way to give the four nations their distinctive cultures and bring a sense of history to the world. Heck, fan artists make renderings of past avatars based on statues seen in the series to expand upon their work. I’m not the biggest fan of The Legend of Korra, but I appreciate how Bryan and Mike tried to move the series forward and how they had to fight Nickelodeon tooth-and-nail at times. The Kyoshi novels are a fine prequel, doing a lot to expand upon the history of the series’ world and its historical figures.

Yeah, I’m at that point too. I’m just glad George doesn’t have the stigma of a JK Rowling, as he doesn’t use his platform to promote hate towards a marginalized group. I also don’t think George wrote in classist and xenophobic stuff into his work like Rowling did either.

Like Watto, Jar-Jar, and the Nemoidians seem more accidentally “coded” than Rowling intentionally making the banking class of wizarding society a bunch of hook-nosed people.

Stardust1138 said:

BedeHistory731 said:

Sequel hate and prequel apologia - name a better combination!

So Uncivilized should be tossed in the same bin as Fandom Menace. A more eloquent and educated Fandom Menace member, but Fandom Menace nonetheless. I haven’t trusted them since they sang the praises of that video that “debunked” How Star Wars was Saved in the Edit.

I enjoy his videos but it’s good we can’t all agree. I’d also say the dubunking video isn’t wrong. Marcia Lucas has said as much in Howard Kazanjian’s book. I highly recommend it. It was all a collaboration between different creatives.

I’d say the debunk contained a few too many personal attacks, but yeah, the Rocketjump original really went too far in the “OT succeeded in spite of Lucas” narrative. It’s the subtle influence of the Plinkett Reviews on Star Wars discourse (which sucks, honestly).

I disagree with So Uncivilized on pretty much every aspect of their arguments, as I’ve grown to truly despise “prequel apologia.” It’s how we get things like Lucas Worship (an over-correction of the highest order) and Star Wars Theory’s batshit ideas about armies of Maul and Grievous clones. It’s better to have a more balanced view of the PT that doesn’t descend into pure apologia to put down the ST.

Still, this person’s stuff isn’t as awful as Pop Culture Detective’s The Case Against the Jedi. The TL;DW of that one is “the PT is really sexist and George wrote his animosity towards women into the movies!” That’s a hilarious reach of ever there was one.

Stardust1138 said:

The Star Wars Sequels: Disney’s Anti-Trilogy

https://youtu.be/XtArKawnWNI

Sequel hate and prequel apologia - name a better combination!

So Uncivilized should be tossed in the same bin as Fandom Menace. A more eloquent and educated Fandom Menace member, but Fandom Menace nonetheless. I haven’t trusted them since they sang the praises of that video that “debunked” How Star Wars was Saved in the Edit.

jedi_bendu said:

WitchDR said:

They completely ruined his character in Last Jedi, and now we are finally seeing him do something a lot of fans wanted to see from the beginning. TRAINING HIS STUDENTS. Not him being a miserable failure like they presented him in the ST.

Either that is setting up him trying to follow the ancient Jedi dogma too strictly and failing as he indicates in TLJ, or it is out of character.

That seems to be exactly what’s happening. If Grogu chooses the beskar, it’s likely that Luke will double down on the ancient dogma too much. If Grogu chooses the lightsaber, that will also lead Luke down the dogmatic path.

WitchDR said:

BedeHistory731 said:

As a fan of TLJ and how it handled Luke’s character arc, I take umbrage with that statement. It seems you can’t go a page on here without rampant ST hate and a willingness to vilify anybody who defends it.

If anything, this most recent episode is showing how Luke became the person he despised in TLJ. This is him as his pride and inexperience was getting the better of him.

I don’t remember vilifying anyone for liking or defending it. I think the ST is awful and completely ruined the entire saga, but hey if you like it that’s cool.

It absolutely did not ruin the saga, but if you want to hate it that’s cool. I’m more referring to the gatekeeping in the post you initially quoted.

I for one am hoping that whatever this “climactic story event” ending to Mando, Boba, and the Ashoka show can be a satisfying Post-OT conclusion, since the ST did the exact opposite for me.

Why not just make the OT your conclusion? That is what some people here want anyway.

As a fan of TLJ and how it handled Luke’s character arc, I take umbrage with that statement. It seems you can’t go a page on here without rampant ST hate and a willingness to vilify anybody who defends it.

If anything, this most recent episode is showing how Luke became the person he despised in TLJ. This is him as his pride and inexperience was getting the better of him.

MalaStrana#2 said:

Cthulhunicron said:

Apparently.

I’m of the the opinion that as much as I love Star Wars, it’s kind of limited. I’ve mentioned this on forums before, and people have responded by saying that the galaxy far far away has all this unlimited potential for different stories. But it really seems like all anybody wants is endless stories about Luke, Han, and Leia.

This is such a disgrace. Disney is not killing SW: it’s the ones who praise this shit who are responsible.

Wow, I didn’t think you’d resort to insulting people who like this series. But here we are!

Indeed, that does make some sense. It’s a bit too much directed violence for Luke to commit (chopping off Boba’s hand).

If we want a “Boba Fett dies, no going back from it” (which I do), I’d suggest having his jet pack spark before Han’s hit, with the hit leading it to launch and explode midair (I.e., the rocket on his jet pack blows up). One could even show him sailing clear of the sail barge and exploding about a dozen meters away from it. Show the helmet dropping to the ground and one can easily assume what happened.

This would be for an edit that ignores the Disney+ shows, the modern EU and the legends EU. Or an edit that assumes that the Boba from Mando and BOBF is a fake who took on Boba’s identity (which may be more palatable for some).

If anything, Tarkin is a regional manager while Vader is member of central management. Their jurisdictions don’t totally overlap, so it makes sense that Vader defers to the guy who is in charge of the Death Star project. In both Legends and Modern Canon, Vader doesn’t really care enough about the battle station to know all the details.

StarkillerAG said:

BedeHistory731 said:

This is, as Rich Evans said, an “intellectually bankrupt franchise” and it always has been. Expecting it to be any different now is hilarious.

Star Wars was a mistake. 😉

It’s because I like joking around about how negative this forum can get, as the wink would indicate.

This is, as Rich Evans said, an “intellectually bankrupt franchise” and it always has been. Expecting it to be any different now is hilarious.

Star Wars was a mistake. 😉

…hence my specification of “blown to bits, head falling off body.”

Anakin Starkiller said:

That sounds uncharacteristically gory.

Yeah, but it can also be done in a more subtle way that involves a definitive death.

I propose a version for people who don’t like Mandalorian S2 or Book of Boba Fett. One would see damage on the jetpack after the tumble, which leads the jetpack to launch and explode after Han hits it. It’d be a simple effect to show Boba exploding in mid-air, with body parts going everywhere and the head falling into the sarlacc’s mouth (to keep the burp). It seems easy to keep that within 1983-style effects.