BedeHistory731

I mean, I’m tempted to say that Vader being Luke’s father was a bad idea in hindsight.

Anakin Starkiller said:

Wow they literally used the exact same joke as Robot Chicken for Order 66 but with worse execution.

Eh, a short bit is better than Seth MacFarlane getting to sing a silly song again. I’m just not that into the guy.

Omni said:

Paul Thomas Anderson is undoubtedly an auteur and his last movie quotes many others many times, including several direct references to Lucas’ American Graffiti. Doubt that makes PTA any less of an auteur.

It’s like saying Enigma/Michael Cretu isn’t an artist because he uses samples (sometimes without permission).

I’m very happy that “Luke with Yoda in his backpack” is a playable character! It’s such a fun visual.

Speaking of visuals, the demo sections really show a higher emphasis on visual humor than what was present in the more recent entries. I’m also happy that no reused movie voice clips are here, as those really felt out-of-place in the TFA game.

I just prefer to preserve every version of the movie. It’s why I believe Blade Runner, Apocalypse Now, Star Trek: TMP/TWOK, and Superman II are the gold standard in releases that respect the versions that got initial acclaim or derision and the directors’ intended versions (which could be better, worse, or just have different issues than the original release).

The original cuts of the movie should be preserved alongside the 1997, 2004/2011, and 3D cuts. Heck, The Lost Cut should have a preservation of some kind.

If the film does well then maybe a new tie-in game, or update of the old RS games too?

Factor 5 being dead for over a decade doesn’t help matters much in updating the old RS games (i.e., the source code is probably lost). If the code still exists, a publisher could port the game to modern systems, a la the Jedi Outcast/Jedi Academy and Republic Commando ports. If it doesn’t, a ROM of the original games running in a distinct Gamecube emulator would be acceptable.

We’re long past an age when Dolphin Emulator would turn into into a potato at the mere mention of the Rogue Squadron games.

I’m in the Bionicle fandom, so I’ve learned to be reticent to demand all the answers from the creators about things they probably never even considered too deeply. Too many people pestered Greg Farshtey (Bionicle’s head writer) for answers about characters’ appearances during the canon contests.

Creators don’t owe you all the answers to minutia.

So, mea culpa. I got Rick Worley confused with So Uncivilized (as in, I thought Rick Worley was SU’s real name). My mistake. I’ve seen some of So Uncivilized’s work and would compare it to a more pretentious “Every Frame a Painting.”

I am curious about Worley’s attempts to explain the ending to The Sopranos, as it’s one of my favorite deconstructions of a fiction genre (mafia/mob cinema). I tend to think the ending of the show is fairly ancillary to the points Chase was trying to make about Tony, his masculinity (the Tony/Dr Melfi dynamic) and the familiar/external power structures in his life. For me, the biggest finale moment of the show would be Melfi and Tony’s final exchange.

I’ve seen bits of Worley’s material and he strikes me as somebody who wanted to cash in on “Every Frame a Painting,” but with several extra layers of pretentiousness and a predilection to tell instead of show. He has more in common with Pop Culture Detective or Mauler than any real critic.

It’s nice that he can express himself like that, but to me he’s no better than what Plinkett did. He too is giving his “opinions” with a college essay level of critique. It’s a Leo Bloom-like attachment to the author and refusal to consider what the contemporary world around the author and revisionist scholars perceived the work to be. Either that or it’s a less successful version of what Peter Bogdanvich did with Orson Welles, much to Pauline Kael’s dismay.

Yeah, that’s some fair points right there. I generally only watch RedLetterMedia’s Best of the Worst show, the one made up of watching a bunch of B-movie shlock. I can’t stand their opinions on modern movies, especially Mike’s. He’s like a vacuum of joy.

Would it be unwise to link the more undesirable elements of Plinkett videos to the rise of disgusting channels like CinemaSins or Mauler? Because I can see that lineage. I mostly brought them up earlier because I agreed with some of their more basic points but not the bulk of the “weird” stuff (the edginess is so 2009 it hurts). One can also blame James Rolfe and Doug Walker for things like CinemamSins and Mauler, especially Doug Walker (Doug’s The Wall video is a litmus test for cringe).

I apologize if I came across as a troll or an instigator, but I felt like this discussion was worth having here. Anyway, back to the point.

As a manga/anime fan, I’m fine when an author forgets some relatively small detail they wrote over 20+ years prior. One obsessing over little details like that misses the forest for the trees. It’s the kind of attitude held by the people who lose sleep over slight in-discrepancies in fan wiki articles.

Turning Vader into Luke’s father might have been a poor storytelling choice for how it limited the story’s world.

Man, the Plinkett videos really set you off, don’t they? Also, I’m surprised you didn’t bite at me comparing Lucas to Michael Bay (albeit sans-jingoism). I’d think that would send you into a rage.

I do get what you’re saying about faith and wanting people to believe in the best intentions of the filmmaker, I really do. Heck, I’ve been in your position when trying to dissect media like Halloween III: Season of the Witch (John Carpenter trying to turn the franchise into a horror anthology series) or Nothing But Trouble (admiring Dan Ackroyd’s raw creative energy). When the rest of the room is dead-set against you, it’s not fun.

Your writing skills and attempts to explain your points are good. However, I still can’t shake the feeling you consider Lucas’ work a sacred cow and you believe that any criticism of the movies is a personal attack on your fandom and by extension you. Sometimes, it’s good to have perspective and know when to back away from a discussion.

jedi_bendu said:

jedijim88mph said:

That Kyle Katarn will probably never show up in the Disney-verse.

Is that even a bad thing if he’s already a beloved character in Legends? What more does Kyle need?

A port of the original Dark Forces to modern systems?

Double post

Stardust1138 said:

BedeHistory731 said:

Rick Worley? Man, that guy spends countless videos trying to trick himself into thinking the PT is Actually Good.

I’d rather listen to what Mike, Jay, and Rich have to say. They aren’t up their own ass about these movies nearly as much.

I mean isn’t that exactly what they’re doing by refusing to actually look at the factual evidence and spilling lies?

No, not really. Also, there you go again in calling the Plinkett reviews “lies.”

Wouldn’t you prefer having your opinion challenged instead of watching something that reinforces what you already think and believe it to be?

Yeah, as I’m engaging with you right now. Still, I know when a guy can be full of shit, as Rick firmly is. That man wants to ascribe deep meaning to toyetic family movies, meaning that simply isn’t there.

Lucas isn’t a Bergman, Varda, Coppola, or even a Von Trier. If anything he’s more a Michael Bay or Hollywood John Woo.

Sometimes you have to go after it with what you believe in. You can’t sit and wait for opportunities to share what matters to you or sit still in being who you’re meant to be. Rick is one of those people. I am too.

Sure, but sometimes you have to step back and say, “Wow, I’m spending countless hours looking for deeper meaning in family space fantasy movies. Maybe I’m no better than the nerds who memorize wikis.”

Rick Worley? Man, that guy spends countless videos trying to trick himself into thinking the PT is Actually Good.

I’d rather listen to what Mike, Jay, and Rich have to say. They aren’t up their own ass about these movies nearly as much. But I guess you and the other prequel fans think they’re “fake news” determined to bring your favorite movies down. Like it or not, the Plinkett reviews are still the definitive retrospective on those movies.

Even though the live-action segments aged badly, the Plinkett reviews are IMHO essential viewing for understand PT hate.

If you want some good videos about the deeper meaning of the PT, I’d suggest the writings of Harold S. Plinkett.

It’s Mike, Jay, and Rich’s opus, just ignore the live-action bits.

Anchorhead said:

BedeHistory731 said:

Also, piracy exists. You can support the show without your finances! I wouldn’t 100% encourage it, but it’s an option.

Watch it or don’t watch it, but be aware of stealing and our position on it. #3 and #4.

https://originaltrilogy.com/announcement/Fan-Edit-Preservation-Forum-Rules-and-FAQ-updated-as-of-June-1st-2020/id/5950/page/1#1351470

I’m well aware of the rules, as I own copies of all the movies I’ve seen fan edits of and I support official releases where I can.

Fett being a background/side character is perfectly in keeping with his role in the movies, sadly.

Also, piracy exists. You can support the show without your finances! I wouldn’t 100% encourage it, but it’s an option.

Omni said:

Haarspalter said:

I think a lot of goodwill towards ROTS comes from the fans which grew up with the Clone Wars animated series.

I hear this a lot, but I don’t think it’s the case. Most people just really enjoy the movie regardless of the EU. Anecdotally I know more people that like the movie better than the show than the other way around.

I’m the opposite - the show made me like the movie even less!

Servii said:

I can’t think of a single prequel that changed the original work in a positively-received way.

That’s something to keep in mind. Prequels are very difficult to pull off in a way that enhances original story rather than undermining it. They’re usually more likely to work if they’re not a “direct” prequel but are instead just a different story set further back in the timeline.

See Better Call Saul for an example of that. It’s not so much a prequel to Breaking Bad, but instead it’s a show set in the same universe both before and after the show.

ROTS’ novelization is the best way to experience it’s story. Having the space of a novel allows the rushed nature of the movie to dissipate.

Also, adding “I think” helps your statement stand out as less of a statement of fact and more as you provided an informed opinion. This goes for everybody.

Stardust, maybe it’s best to back away. Recognize when somebody isn’t worth engaging with and don’t antagonize them with a wall of text.

Take it from somebody who cut his teeth on hobby boards - nobody truly reads a forum post that’s over 150 words. They’ll read if they’re exceptionally interested, which is rarely the case. Most people just hunt for the pictures and their captions because they don’t want their time wasted by a bunch of word filler and jargon. Brevity is the key to posting and being understood/respected by fellow posters. It is also wise to avoid even the slightest bit of condescending and assuming ill intent from fellow posters when the matter is as low-stakes as this.