BedeHistory731

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G&G-Fan said:

SWOTFAN25 said:

What do you guys think about changing musical cues in SW fanedits as a whole? And try out this change and let me know what you think.

I’m actually a fan of mixing the soundtracks between the trilogies as I feel it makes the entire saga feel more congruent. But only when it fits and works, and doesn’t mess with a soundtrack that’s like, super iconic.

The Obi-Wan and Luke conversation could benefit from an injection of Anakin’s Theme or Across the Stars, if it fit the moment. If “Your mother/Padme once thought as you do” was inserted into ROTJ, then a slight hint of Across the Stars could work.

Speaking of Across the Stars and Anakin-Padme, would it work to insert a scene of Luke meditating and having a vision of Anakin’s fall? Such a bit would be a nice way to tie the two trilogies together. I’d suggest that it be Luke’s introduction into the movie, after Vader’s arrival on the DSII. It’d be extra nice if a voice AI could get Luke to say “Padme” in that moment.

Stardust1138 said:

Anyways!

I think he does a fine job in the parodies. The snippet we’ve seen of him in Star Wars Detours is really funny.

Indeed. I was around when Chad Vader was releasing new episodes, so I like seeing him do Vader in comedy. It’s just that he kind of can’t handle serious Vader as well as Scott Lawrence. Much like how Seth MacFarlane could never do a serious Palpatine performance, no matter how funny he was on Robot Chicken.

Speaking of another unpopular voice actor opinion, Matt Sloan’s Vader voice does not work at all for serious portrayals of the character. His Vader started as a comedic impression (for the webseries Chad Vader) and only really works in comedy roles (e.g., Lego games, Lego animated features, spoof media, etc.). During Force Unleashed, I half expect Vader to be talking about his duties as the day shift manager of Empire Market.

Mat Lucas > Matt Lanter, as far as Anakin voices go. Mat actually sounds vaguely like Hayden!

If I had the time, I’d consider trying to do a comprehensive visual difference guide. I just love how I’m still discovering ESB:R changes even five years after it came out.

Well, ESB:R is a mix of upscaled and native 1080p shots now. Some shots (like the resized Kenobi ghost) had to be entirely redone for the 1080p.

hinventon said:

Something I would definitely like to see done with ROTJ is replacing the Anakin ghost with a better version of Hayden. With Ascendant using the Hayden ghost I would love to keep Hayden but he just looks so out of place and creepy in the version we got.

Same here! I had the idea of doing a “third unit”-style shoot with an actor (that has screen-accurate Jedi robes and an appropriate wig for ROTS Anakin) filmed in front of a green screen. Deepfake Hayden’s face on them and we’d be set. That way, one could:

1. Not use Shaw’s body
2. Copy Shaw’s facial expressions exactly
3. Do the full length of the scene, for those who want to use the 1983 editing of the ending.

It’s a bit involved, but I think it has merit.

JadedSkywalker said:

Transformers is easy. Beast Wars/Armada/Animated/Prime/Cyberverse cartoons, various toylines throughout the years. The 2005-19 IDW comics. That’s mostly it.

I expanded on it, because not all of us are G1-only folks. It’s easy to have compartmentalization, while not ignoring non-G1 things.

Tobar said:

timdiggerm said:

Given that this is their final season, let’s hope they pull off the sort of swan song they never got, something akin in feel to The Undiscovered Country.

I’d never been personally offended by a television series before this.

Not even Game of Thrones season eight, the season that eliminated Game of Thrones from the pop culture zeitgeist?

SpenceEdit said:

I think 1:50-2:10 is about the ideal window for a main saga Star Wars movie.

However, I’m a firm believer that a movie should be exactly as long as it needs to be while making sure nobody in the audience ever checks their watch. Pacing is more important than length.

Definitely. Thunderball may be only two hours long, but it feels like its a half hour longer.

My big problem with fan edits is when they get down to the 90-100 minute mark. That kind of movie length would’ve been unacceptable for a franchise where every movie is 120-135 minutes long. I get that a PT with 90-minute movies might be easier to watch, but they feel less authentic (if that makes sense).

Acknowledging that these are just stupid space wizard movies and not some “high art auteurship” would make the fandom a much less intense place.

theprequelsrule said:

BedeHistory731 said:

I’m just glad Transformers fans have reached a point no Star Wars fan will ever reach: having a sense of humor about the stupid franchise and letting go of the anger to just revel in the inherent goofiness of the whole package. Even the OT is pretty damn goofy.

Transformers was meant to be a totally brainless film from the start, so I never took it seriously. I just enjoyed Bay’s shots of Megan Fox and his excellent ability to frame certain sequences.

Oh it’s more than just the films. Going back to the ‘80s cartoon, there’ve been countless revivals and new continuities throughout the past 35 years in animation, comics, and even some prose novels.

It’s not as brainless as one might think, while OT Star Wars can be more brainless than one may think.

It’s a Czech print, so the crawl and subtitles/credits are all in Czech. Still, it’s incredible to have that print and it’s in decent shape as well.

I’d want the Dark Horse story “The Savage Heart,” where Vader’s stranded on a savanna world with pack animals after the Battle of Yavin. It’s a little goofy, but it does some cool stuff with Vader’s man-machine dichotomy.

In other words, namely Transformers fandom terms,

I’m just glad Transformers fans have reached a point no Star Wars fan will ever reach: having a sense of humor about the stupid franchise and letting go of the anger to just revel in the inherent goofiness of the whole package. Even the OT is pretty damn goofy.

StarkillerAG said:

Just so you know, Bounding Into Comics is insanely biased towards the Gamergate “white male nerd rage” side of things, with tons of fake stories about Kathleen Kennedy being fired from Lucasfilm and other fanboy wish fulfillment fantasies. So I would take their spin on events with a massive grain of salt.

That’s the awful thing - some can’t dislike TLJ without having to clarify “I’m not one of those types.” TLJ’s reputation has become so entangled in culture war BS by TFM types that it’s hard for critics of the movie to speak out without being compared to that Gamergate-y crowd. Heck, I’ve seen TFM-y things here complaining about “wokeness” and other BS. So I just filter out their stuff and hope mods warn them before things get out of hand, since this is one of the nicer venues to talk about SW. It’s not as poorly moderated as r/StarWars or as saccharine as r/StarWarsCantina and it’s certainly not as trashy as Facebook and Twitter pages.

G&G-Fan said:

I was slightly disappointed by the loss of the extended battle, but honestly, a battle with redone lasers, the orange Yavin planet in the background (which makes it look much more visually interesting IMO), Luke actually having an appropriate reaction to the death of his friend and Vader’s helmet fixed is pretty great and satisfactory to me.

Don’t forget “Blast it Wedge, where are you!?!” and adding appropriate wing numbers to X-wings.

I appreciate ditching the extended reveal and battle, along with shortening the approach to Mos Eisley. Anything that brings the pacing more in line with the theatrical cut is welcome.

While I did appreciate the extended stuff from the SD version, it did feel like “showing off” instead of fundamentally adding to the movie. The lack of dialogue in the extended battle definitely hurt it, from my perspective. It’s why Purist was the only version I watched for many years. I’m glad to see that HD will be more like Purist than the other versions.

Freddy Got Fingered is a brilliant satire of the Happy Madison/Farrelly Brothers style comedies of the late-90s/early-00s. If anything, it aged better than those movies because it fits so well into the style of comedy popularized by Tim and Eric/Eric Andre. It’s also understandable as Tom Green making fun of studios for giving him $14 million to make “his movie.”

SpenceEdit said:

JadedSkywalker said:

I couldn’t disagree more on force awakens. I mean they took Luke and made him a worthless maguffin. Who does that? He was the main character of the original Saga of episodes IV, V and VI. Because they couldn’t figure out a way to include him without upstaging the Disney characters. The one thing i did like was Finn, i liked Poe, i liked Rey and her scavenger on Jakku story. But its a bad unoriginal story and completely derivative on purpose due to the prequels having the perception of being so bad they left a stank on Star Wars.

You could still have new characters like Rey, Poe and Finn and easily set it in the far future. Don’t repeat the same beats rebels vs empire. Don’t crap all over the legacy characters. The sequels are a mixed bag. But the one thing they botched Luke, Han and Leia. Completely and utterly. Its almost unforgivable.

I’ve said this before elsewhere, but the biggest problem with getting Star Wars “right” is that it means different things to different people. So one person’s “new and exciting” is another person’s “disrespectful and unforgiveable” and neither one is necessarily wrong. The sequel trilogy, or at least the first 2/3 of it, hits every note I want out of Star Wars, so I enjoy it. For some that’s the opposite of what they want out of Star Wars, so they hate it. We’re both right.

I see people losing their minds with excitement over what they’re doing with Luke in Mandalorian, and I’m just thinking that they’re ruining it by bringing him in, and I still feel that way. But they’re ruining what “I” personally like about it. I’m also cackling with glee over Boba fighting weird Harryhausen monster and trying to teach Tusken’s how to ride speeder bikes, and some people thing it’s horrible. Star Wars is so incredibly subjective.

I also think that if Mark Hamill hadn’t publicly reacted negatively to how Luke is handled in TLJ, people wouldn’t complain nearly as much about it, and might be able to find the good in it. It’s the best and most interesting performance of his career. I think it’s very weird that he turned the conversation on it so publicly when he did such good work. It’s a bit disrespectful to Rian Johnson, to me. He wrote these beautiful scenes for him and gave his character a lovely send off.

Yeah, that’s basically where I’m at with the ST as well. It’s not for everybody, but it works for me (ROS a lot less than the others, but I also am indifferent to ROTJ and loathe ROTS). Book of Boba Fett was a “not for me” series (to the point of wanting a definitive ROTJ death for Boba), but I can’t really muster up much vitriol for it. Somebody likes it, but that somebody isn’t me. That’s totally OK.

Also, with the point about Mark, people neglect that Rian eventually won him over with that arc for Luke. If one wants to see what happens when you let an actor guide the entirety of their legacy character, look no further than Star Trek: Picard. I like Sir Patrick, but he’s always insisted on this terrible “action hero” version of Picard that’s completely at odds with the Picard of TNG. It screwed up the TNG movies and has definitely hurt ST:P.

JadedSkywalker said:

You could still have new characters like Rey, Poe and Finn and easily set it in the far future. Don’t repeat the same beats rebels vs empire. Don’t crap all over the legacy characters. The sequels are a mixed bag. But the one thing they botched Luke, Han and Leia. Completely and utterly. Its almost unforgivable.

I would say the opposite there, as Luke in TLJ was handled excellently (Han and Leia a bit less, but nothing too outrageous like some claim). I’d also say that “unforgivable” is a strong word to use in the context of a movie franchise. Cheating on your wife with her best friend or stealing money from your family would be “unforgivable,” not doing divisive things with legacy characters.

I believe that disposing of The Prophecy/The Chosen One is the best change one can make in a PT fanedit, aside from cutting the toilet humor in TPM. I just don’t like retroactively trying to reframe the OT as also part of “Anakin’s saga.” It’s just my preference and if you like the reframing that’s fine with me.

Bobson Dugnutt said:

KumoNin said:

Bobson Dugnutt said:

ADDITIONS (so far)

Extended Han/Leia kiss? 😉

It’s in B/W, so I’ll probably save it for a 2nd version of this project. But yes I do like that alt version of the scene.

Thank goodness the most important section, “OK, hotshot!” is in color.