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#1490933
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The Kenobi <s>Movie</s> Show (Spoilers)
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Fan_edit_fan said:

yotsuya said:

adywan said:

I find it so hard to understand how people can defend the writing on this series and say that it’s well made. In episodes 5 & 6 they used the exact same scenario. What’s worse is that, if you watch these two episodes one after another, this blatant repeating happens within about 15 minutes.

Episode 5: They are in danger with a technical problem stopping them from being able to escape. Obi-Wan decides to sacrifice himself so that the others can escape because he knows it’s him that Vader wants, not them. Obi-Wan goes to Haja and asks him to take care of Leia. Roka tries to talk him out of it but Obi-Wan leaves.

Approx 15 minutes later…

Episode 6: They are in danger with a technical problem stopping them from being able to escape. Obi-Wan decides to sacrifice himself so that the others can escape because he knows it’s him that Vader wants, not them. Obi-Wan goes to Haja and asks him to take care of Leia. Roka tries to talk him out of it but Obi-Wan leaves.

And i bet Qui-Gon is mighty pissed because , in this show, you can get skewered with a lightsaber in the stomach and through the spine and live.

And then there is the final Obi/ Vader fight. It’s set out right from the start of that duel that Obi_wan is prepared to kill vader. “Have you come to destroy me Obi_wan?”. “I will do what i must”. But then lets him live, even after he knows that the person who was once his friend has gone and all that is left is a monster. I know Vader has to survive because of ANH, but doing it this way is ridiculous.

Your summary is over simplistic. I’m sure there are similarities, but it is not the exact same situation. For one thing, the first time Kenobi is just going to delay and fully intends to return (but you never know). The second time he is leaving and knows he won’t rejoin them. The reaction of those around him is different and the story plays out different. There is a ghost of a similarity between the two incidents and you are focusing on that rather than the whole picture.

Also, getting stabbed in the gut can lead to instant death or a recoverable injury depending on where it was and how it was delivered. Qui-gon was stabbed (very clearly) through the middle of his gut. Severing his main artery and vein and possibly severing his spine and damaging the organs in front. He was human after all. We don’t see where Reva gets stabbed. In the gut, but just how is not shown. Same with the grand inquisitor (but he is not human so we don’t know what internal damage he might have sustained). Maul is cut in half, but other than an instant spray of blood, there is no blood. So whatever was cut was sealed. So he could have lived (with some help). He also isn’t human so we don’t know his internal organ arrangement to know what was cut off. Reva is clearly still wounded when she gets to Tatooine. So all the wounds are not the same so expecting the same outcome is unrealistic.

I found the series to be well written with care given to filling in the gaps between the PT and OT. It fixed more than it broke and put a new spin on certain events. I found the acting to be superb, the sets to be what I’d expect, the backgrounds fitting, and everything assembled into a nicely finished series. I don’t know that I would change a thing about it, though I wouldn’t mind seeing a film edit of it. Something a little faster paced.

Good grief man…every time.

No need to rag on a guy for providing justifications. I’ve found his posts insightful, even if I disagree at times.

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#1490577
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The Kenobi <s>Movie</s> Show (Spoilers)
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Kaweebo said:

BedeHistory731 said:

I’d say we had it right in the post-PT years with the discrediting and any attempts at revisionism have been straight-up apologia.

Plinkett was right and continues to be more and more right (minus the cringey sketch bits and “dark humor” in the videos).

Well, except the part where he vouched for JJ Abrams to direct the Star Wars sequel trilogy :p

It did give us an excellent illustration of Gen X directors interpreting the “betrayal” of their childhood franchises by said franchises’ boomer creators. His two films fit in well with things like Fanboys, The People vs. George Lucas, both recent Ghostbusters movies, and Galaxy Quest - they’re more interesting as examinations of Gen X’s relation to fandom culture/parasocial relationships with creators than they are good movies. Except Galaxy Quest, which is an all-time classic.

I’d throw Fault in Our Stars in there, but the author relationship plot is more of a background element (and is the least exploitative part of the book/movie).

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#1490411
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The Kenobi <s>Movie</s> Show (Spoilers)
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henzINNIT said:

MalaStrana#2 said:

FrederikOlsen said:
It’s never been a particularly well-written franchise, IMO.

ANH is considered one of the best scripts ever written. It’s still being studied in film school for ts achievements, thanks to Lucas rewitting it to perfect it numberous times. TESB is simply the continuation of this high quality standard rooted in the foundation of a perfect script. Only what came after wasn’t as good and was sometimes even quite terrible, such as this tv show.

The original Star Wars was saved in editing by cutting great chunks out of that script.

Speaking of esoteric scripts, I wish somebody adapted Dan Aykroyd’s original Ghostbusters script into a graphic novel. The bits we do know about it sound batshit crazy (in a good way) and I’d love to see the whole thing presented to the public with appropriate visuals.

I’m one of like, fifteen people who like Nothing But Trouble so I’d love any crazy Dan Aykroyd project.

Sausage

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#1490407
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General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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I like the idea of Vader essentially being an upper management figure in the Empire, going from system to system and making sure shit is running up to code. By ANH, he’s so bored out of his mind about his position that he relishes the thought of finding the rebel who destroyed the Death Star (now that Kenobi is in his rearview). Luke being his son is just a bonus, as for the first time since the Clone Wars, Vader has felt truly alive.

Yes, I watched the auralnauts series and I consider it the best fan series about the saga. Now if only Creepio’s voice actor could voice 000…

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#1490274
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KENOBI: A STAR WARS STORY [The Radical &quot;Help Me Obi-Wan Kenobi&quot; Cut]
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NFBisms said:

This is something I put together in the other Kenobi redux thread, just in case it could be relevant to this project in some way:

NFBisms said:

I was one of those suckers who was actually really excited for Obi-Wan Kenobi (2022) because Deborah Chow and Kelley DIxon’s work on Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad fuckin’ rule. Needless to say, that was a bit misguided.

So I took a crack at editing the show to be closer in tone and style to what I expected out of BB-verse alumni.

I don’t think I’m going to do the whole show, but it was just a fun little experiment. The edit isn’t supposed to be like BB/BCS fwiw, just approaching the material with some of the storytelling philosophy I learned from them.

At the very least, Deborah Chow’s sensibilities as a director were still conducive to being arranged in this way so at least some of my excitement wasn’t unfounded

Well, I’d say you nailed it here! It’d be nice when paired with your New Canon Cut (I still see it as the definitive ROTS).

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#1490175
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The Kenobi <s>Movie</s> Show (Spoilers)
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I’ve been burnt out on live-action fiction (especially new tv fiction) since college, so I mostly stick to documentaries. Things like Dark Side of the Ring, the less-sensationalized true crime stuff on Netflix, and YouTube features on music/random topics (I recommend Down the Rabbit Hole and Atrocity Guide) are my favorites.

I don’t think I’m the target audience, but Kenobi as it aired was a 75/100 to me. Fine, but I’d never seek it out again. A fan edit could bring it to an 85 or an 87, but I wouldn’t give it more.

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#1490044
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The Kenobi <s>Movie</s> Show (Spoilers)
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Heck, any fan with reasonable money can fake an anamorphic look (proper anamorphic, not just cropping to 2:39:1) and using 35mm film stock these days. There are anamorphic lenses and filters on the market, along with real 35mm grain plates in all the desired resolutions.

I’m more a fan of 16mm faking myself. If Kenobi had gone for a more fake-16mm look (including a 1:78:1 or 1:66:1 AR), it might’ve sold me a bit more on the cinematography and the rougher feeling.

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#1489851
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The Kenobi <s>Movie</s> Show (Spoilers)
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Bridger12 said:

BedeHistory731 said:

MalaStrana#2 said:

BedeHistory731 said:

MalaStrana#2 said:

I wonder if it might be the worst thing that ever happened in Star Wars canon.

The Chuck Wendig books exist.

So in movie/tv media then.

Nope, that’s still AOTC, the Ewok movies, BOBF, or TROS, depending on how a person is feeling that day.

Don’t forget the Holiday Special.

I find it charmingly bad, in a way that only something produced in the late-'70s could be. Plus, it has a funny Rifftrax (Mike > Joel).

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#1489849
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The Kenobi <s>Movie</s> Show (Spoilers)
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MalaStrana#2 said:

Ewok movies aren’t canon.

AOTC is way better the Ben show…

And at least TROS was dumb but funny because so dumb. BOBF is just inconsequential. I don’t mind as it doesn’t fuck up important characters of the Saga.

But I think you’re intensely overselling how much Kenobi “fucked up” characters (I rather like all the steps it took with the characters, albeit some executions could’ve been better than others), but that’s just me.

Also, AOTC is much worse than “the Ben show” because at least the Ben show didn’t make its female lead look like an enabler (which AOTC made Padme out to be). It also didn’t ruin a character’s redemption by making them look like an unhinged jerk. But once again, it’s just my opinion.

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#1489777
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The Kenobi <s>Movie</s> Show (Spoilers)
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adywan said:

BedeHistory731 said:

adywan said:

And hadn’t it already been established that Qui-Gon couldn’t appear “in the flesh” because he hadn’t completed his training before he died? I’m sure this was explained in one of the cartoons.

The 2017 book From a Certain Point of View showed that Qui-Gon had learned to appear in the flesh by ANH (but it took a lot of effort to do so). All the show changes is that Jinn knew how to appear in the flesh a decade before it happened in the book.

So they have altered canon yet again just for a few seconds fanwank? Jeez

Not really? Nothing in the book says that Jinn couldn’t have done it a decade earlier (it doesn’t imply that his 0 BBY appearance is as the first time). Besides, there’s nothing that says that a force spirit can’t learn to physically manifest if they couldn’t before.

The book messed it up first, if one takes a negative view of the physical Jinn ghost.

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#1489770
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The Kenobi <s>Movie</s> Show (Spoilers)
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adywan said:

And hadn’t it already been established that Qui-Gon couldn’t appear “in the flesh” because he hadn’t completed his training before he died? I’m sure this was explained in one of the cartoons.

The 2017 book From a Certain Point of View showed that Qui-Gon had learned to appear in the flesh by ANH (but it took a lot of effort to do so). All the show changes is that Jinn knew how to appear in the flesh a decade before it happened in the book.

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#1489760
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The <strong>Original Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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I find that Crow-style flashbacks completely break with how Star Wars stories are told through all eras, especially in the OT. If it’s a vision Luke has in the deleted scene cave, it’d be a bit better. Having a vision scene in the opening of ROTJ would also be a better place for Luke to learn Anakin’s name (instead of Obi-Wan just dropping it with no fanfare).

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#1489754
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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It’s okay in my book. I didn’t hate it, but I just couldn’t mentally justify rating it higher than a 6/10. I get why people despise it, and I get why people like it. I’m glad you’re not using elements from it, especially since it’d just cheapen the look of the OT to include insertions/references.

Speaking of that, what’s the plan for Kenobi’s hut now - a new model/matte, the '77 hut, or the '97 hut/digital matte?