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I'm using TsMuxeR GUI 1.10.6, and it supports dts-HDMA.

Harmy said:

Darkless is an interesting word :)

But he wasn't talking about the window - that has been noticed before - he was talking about the floor panels. In the original, only the floor panel Vader's standing on is brighter, in the SE, the next one's brighter as well - I wonder what was the point of that change - if anything, it would have made sense to make them all the same.

 Oh, right, on the floor. I see it now, sorry.

Memorex said:

Just had another look at the comparison gallery:

https://plus.google.com/photos/109609428403596349302/albums/6044645069501365185/6044645222210889458?pid=6044645222210889458&oid=109609428403596349302

I noticed that the middle "tile" beneath Vader was darker in the gout.

May have been discussed before, if so I apologize :P

 You see it darker? I see it darkless. And even Vader black costume seems darkless to me.

Harmy said:

I am at a complete loss as to how on earth does one find out something is 21ms late?

 I just had to apply the subtitle file I synchronized on your DeEd to Team Blu's GOUT upscale to realize there was this tiny delay. The software I use for subtitles shows the audio graph (I don't know how to call it in English). When I open the 2 videos in it, I see that a peak on the graph is not at the exact same time-code, but 21 ms later, that's it.

hairy_hen said:

The NTSC version of the GOUT is missing one frame at that spot (which is a reel change) compared to the PAL version.  Since the audio is synched to the NTSC, there will will be a corresponding loss of synch in the Despecialized Edition at that point, with the audio being one frame ahead of the video.

We really need to be more vigilant about this kind of thing so there aren't any synch errors in the future.

 From the beginning to that spot, the audio is about 21 ms late (compared to Team Blu's GOUT upscale), and so from that spot to the end, it's 42 minus 21 ms early, so there's basically a 21 ms delay (late or early) in the whole movie, which is not that noticeable.

Those 2 frames I posted in the comparison are the very last of this shot in both your releases. 1 frame later, you're already on the next shot. So, yes, this last frame that appears in the DeEd is missing in the GOUT Team Blu has used. It's not that they don't appear at the same time, it's simply not there in Team Blu's GOUT. That's why I'm concerned about possible sync issues with the audio tracks you both used.

Actually, the below frame from your DeEd, Harmy, doesn't even appear in Team blu's upscale, so I'd say your DeEd is 1 frame longer. This frame is the very last of this shot.

I also noticed that on the DeEd, Hairy_Hen 5.1 mix is a tiny bit late compared to the Team Blu's release. But it's very tiny, less than a 1-frame difference. Let's say about 15 or 20 ms. Or maybe it's Team Blu's release that's a tiny bit too soon. That's negligible anyway. But maybe not so negligible from the point where there's this 1-frame difference.

Hey, all.

I noticed, while resynchronizing my subtitles, that your Team Blu's GOUT upscale is one frame shorter than Harmy's Despecialized Edition, and yet you seem to have both used the same audio tracks, right? So, I wondered if some resynchronizing job was done or if one of the two releases went out of sync from this point at around frame number 144053 or 144054.

Team Blu on top, Harmy below :

http://www.heberger-image.fr/images/47658_SW_1_frame_difference.jpg.html

Hey, all.

I noticed, while resynchronizing my subtitles, that your GOUT upscale is one frame shorter than Harmy's Despecialized Edition, and yet you seem to have both used the same audio tracks, right? So, I wondered if some resynchronizing job was done or if one of the two releases went out of sync from this point at around frame number 144053 or 144054.

Team Blu on top, Harmy below :

http://www.heberger-image.fr/images/47658_SW_1_frame_difference.jpg.html

Actually, I did wonder sometimes if it was perfectly in sync all the way. I know that near the end, 2 frames were removed for sync issues, but even in the early scenes, it's a thing I wondered...

I also noticed, when resynchronizing my subtitles, that there was a 1-frame difference between Star Wars DE and Team Blu's BD25 upscale. The 1-frame difference appears in the hangar on Yavin. Since the two version include Hairy-Hen tracks and other similar tracks, I wondered about that, too. Maybe the same thing happened between the Respecialized and the Team Blu's 1997 Upscale, I haven't looked into it yet.

John213a said:

I just didn't know if there were plans to make those versions. I figured probably not, but I just wanted to know. How do I get the 2004 editions on HDTV? Just watch the 2004 DVD discs on them, right? :) Also, how many more times will George change the films again? (shudder)

 You get them just the way you get other things on the Internet. There are HD broadcasts that you can find.

It's probably over for George now that he has completed his 6 movies and sold Lucasfilm to Disney.

John213a said:

Also, are you ever going to do the 2004 and/or the 2011 versions?

 To do what? The 2004 versions already exist on DVD and HDTV, and the 2011 versions exist on Blu-ray...

You want color correction for them? Is that it?

Harmy said:

Yes. Adywan's '97SE version is great but it still has a lot of 2004 stuff in it and the color palette is very GOUT-like, so if someone synced the theatrical DTS to the BD, I'd do a Respecialized of both ESB and eventually Jedi.

 I thought that in the '97 SE, the Emperor scene was the same as in the original, which is not the case since the 2004 DVD... Do you really want the theatrical DTS in sync with the Blu-ray? The dialogue of the Emperor was changed, and I'm pretty sure that the scene is longer than it used to be.

Shouldn't you just do your Respecialized Edition and then provide it to the person that'll come forward to sync the theatrical DTS to it?

Harmy said he would do it. He just needs someone to take care of the audio part, since the theatrical DTS is not in sync.

I've begun the English subtitles, since my job is actually to make subtitles, but English is not my native language, so some proof-reading will be needed. I can take part in the French translation, though.

Harmy said:

Yes, I certainly could do that, which is why I have.

 Really? So why is the definition quite less precise and the colors a tad different so that these shots stick out? Anyway Negative-1 has already agreed to provide you these shots in 35 mm for your next version.

That's very cool of you. I really hope Harmy will seize this opportunity.

Jdryyz, that's because the Respecialized is cropped to 1280x540 instead of being 1280x720. You would have to add black bars to go from 540 to 720.

Thanks, Harmy. Looks even better than the workprint that was already great. A couple of things I noticed however, that I want to share with you and that you could maybe take into account for the next version:

I feel that pretty much this whole scene's colors still are too saturated (the time-codes are included in the URL):

http://www.heberger-image.fr/data/images/82961_The.Empire.Strikes.Back.Despecialized.Edition.Remastered.v2.0.mkv_snapshot_01.00.39_2014.08.10_15.23.08_.jpg

http://www.heberger-image.fr/data/images/25272_The.Empire.Strikes.Back.Despecialized.Edition.Remastered.v2.0.mkv_snapshot_01.00.43_2014.08.10_15.23.32_.jpg

http://www.heberger-image.fr/data/images/75746_The.Empire.Strikes.Back.Despecialized.Edition.Remastered.v2.0.mkv_snapshot_01.00.46_2014.08.10_15.23.42_.jpg

http://www.heberger-image.fr/data/images/47490_The.Empire.Strikes.Back.Despecialized.Edition.Remastered.v2.0.mkv_snapshot_01.01.16_2014.08.10_15.25.34_.jpg

And the same in this scene :

http://www.heberger-image.fr/data/images/18809_The.Empire.Strikes.Back.Despecialized.Edition.Remastered.v2.0.mkv_snapshot_01.08.23_2014.08.10_15.26.50_.jpg

Also, I feel that we should see a little more of the edge of the window on top. This is so thin, like only one line of pixels, that it almost twinkles the way it is and attracts the eye. Can't you crop a little more at the bottom (C-3PO's feet) to reveal a little more on top?

http://www.heberger-image.fr/data/images/19572_The.Empire.Strikes.Back.Despecialized.Edition.Remastered.v2.0.mkv_snapshot_01.59.37_2014.08.10_15.28.01_.jpg

http://www.heberger-image.fr/data/images/54293_The.Empire.Strikes.Back.Despecialized.Edition.Remastered.v2.0.mkv_snapshot_02.00.04_2014.08.10_15.28.42_.jpg

And final observation: the color match in the Falcon cockpit shots now definitely looks more consistant, yet we can still notice some minor inconsistancies, plus a lack of definition in the unzoomed shots... Too bad. Can't you obtain these few shots in 35 mm from Negative-1 for the next version?

This already is a great accomplishment anyway.

Is it really JOHN CAMBPELL ? Not Campbell ?

Can't wait for the mkv, I can't remux this one either...

Then search for "harmy", that'll do it.

For Episode IV, stick to the 2004 mix, add a delay at the beginning and you'll have nothing more to do. The Han-Greedo shooting is the same. That's what I did to make a French dub of Harmy's Respecialized Edition. If you want to use the 2011 mix, then the Han-Greedo shooting is different (shorter I believe), so that you'll have more editing to do. Plus the 2011 mix includes the new scream Obi-Wan makes to scare the Sand People.

The takeoff from Yavin and then the X-Wing fleet passing by the red planet.

Is there an actual dts theater mix to look for? It was 1994. The first dts movie, Jurassic Park, was released in 1993. It was rather new, and Léon is basically a low, let's say modest budget French movie.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110413/technical?ref_=tt_dt_spec