Beber

PDB said:

Still more intereting.

Here is the shot that Tservo's is talking about from the S&E review

Which makes the trailer look like it wasn't color timed for that shot, which is entirely possible. Other shots like the high five, T-1000 chasing John and the steel mill look pretty close to the trailer.

The purple is just odd, was it purple or purple-ish on the 35mm prints or was that a transfer issue to video and its meant to be blue. I would say blue but that's memory of all the home video versions and the 8mm has purple...

 Oh, boy! It never looked like that. There are no purple shots. There are some purplish tint here and there. Don't think that you just have to switch from blue to purple to be dead on. The blue should be tealer with a touch of purple in it, that's it. Then, reduce the brightness to darken the atmosphere, and decrease the reds so that the steel factory looks more yellow than orange. You can also desaturate the colors a bit.

And yet, it really sounded like it was. Why do you say that?

OK, so I just got back from my marathon:

T1 was the remastered version we all know about, so digital, just like the Blu-ray, except for a couple sound effects that oddly didn't ring a bell.

T2 was also a digital projection, so I didn't take pictures. The same master we currently know. Problem is, on a 26 meter screen, it surely lacks definition, and the blacks were not black enough. It definitely needs a brand new remaster. Interestingly, I believe the audio was the CDS mix. Its effects, its spacialization was not the same as the Blu-ray remix, and yet it sounded familiar.

Finally, T Genisys was of course digital.

My Terminator marathon is tomorrow. Depending on the kind of projection, I'll see if it's worth taking some pictures here and there with my iPhone.

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I actually saw the 4K DCP of Ghostbusters last october or november for its 30th anniversary in that very same theater where I'll see T1 + T2 + Genisys next tuesday. I surely hope they won't just show the Blu-ray of T2. I'm pretty sure that a few months back, in another theater, they showed the Blu-ray of Forrest Gump. It was very disappointing. Even the subtitles looked like the way they are on Blu-ray. That's actually what convinced me that it was the Blu-ray they showed on the big screen. I would much prefer that they show T2 on 35 mm if it's not a brand new remastered DCP. In fact, now that you said that, I hope they made a mistake when they announced "numérique".

I'm sure there are. I'm just wondering, because of the yellow or orange steel factory in T2, if we're not in the exact same case with the blue or pink light below in The Abyss. It's hard to tell with Cameron what's wrong and what's right.

Regarding the non-existing DCP for T2, the theater I'll see it next tuesday annouces it to be a digital projection:

http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/716413Terminatormarathon.jpg

See? All 3 movies of the "marathon" are announced as "numérique", which is French for digital.

TServo2049 said:

With T2, I'm not so sure what's right. Beber and kaosjm describe one look, which lines up with those 8mm screenshots. But TylerDurden389 says he saw another print that still had the "blue blanket" over the night scenes that we're all used to.

 Here's another Cameron messing with our heads: The Abyss.

Chinese DVD: http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/356010TheAbyssChineseDVD.jpg

Old so called HDTV: http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/389768TheAbyssoldHDTV.jpg

Remastered: http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/870718TheAbyssremastered.jpg

So, blue or pink?

Chinese DVD: http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/279904AbyssChineseDVD.jpg

Old so called HDTV:http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/324791AbyssoldHDTV.jpg

Remastered: http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/885243Abyssremastered.jpg

So, light or dark?

Hi. Just watched some of the preview. So, thanks to begin with. I understand this is a preview, so I suppose my concerns will be corrected in the final rendering. Here are my concerns:

- After the opening crowl, blacks are not that black. They're grey. In space, on Vader, in (not so) dark corridors where Leia and C-3PO are hiding, etc.

- The way it's cropped shows dark grey borders on many occasions, that are distracting. Very noticeable during the sweeps/fade ins, I don't know how to call them. And some are coming and going and reveal round corners. Also, especially on Tatooine, a yellow line appears in many cuts, on the one frame before and the one frame after the cut, that's also distracting. I hope you'll crop the whole movie differently when the time comes to hide that stuff.

Your yellow shot is closer to what I saw last september, but it's not quite that yet. It really was yellow and warmer. Almost no orange at all.

I also noticed that the Terminator red vision was missing some letters in its inscriptions, at least on the left side. That's the way it was cropped.

kaosj, you say that the 8mm frames on post 17 look the same as the screening you went to. Was the purple really that exagerated? I mean on the shot where Arnold fires his shotgun and the one of the T-1000 on the ground.

So the copy you saw did have that orange? Interesting. Not the one I saw last september. I will see it again on June the 30th in another theater(along with the 1st Terminator and the new one, Genisys). It's unclear whether it will be in 35mm or DCP.

kaosjm said:

I'll be seeing this tomorrow in original 35mm. Is there anything anyone wants me to pay close attention to as far as sound or color timing? I'll have a notepad to take notes throughout the film.

 Yes, I'd like you to pay attention to this shot in the steel factory, after Sarah and John climb the ladder:

http://www.heberger-image.fr/data/images/69367_Terminator_2_DC_1080p_Blu_ray_REMUX_DTS_HDMA_DTS_HDHR_DTS_MULTi.mkv_snapshot_02.15.00_2015.05.20_15.23.54_.jpg

On the 35mm print I saw last september, there was almost no orange at all. It was pretty much all yellow.

What if I told you I saw all 3 movies in 35 mm last april and that the color of the extended Fellowship Blu-ray is a lot more accurate than the DVD, and that all 3 movies use the same palette? I took 2 pictures of Fellowship with my iPhone:

http://www.heberger-image.fr/data/images/32877_image1.jpg

http://www.heberger-image.fr/data/images/25439_image2.jpg

Do we know for a fact that it's actually a DCP rip? Last time I read about it, it was still in debate as the origin was not disclosed.

Apparently, there is a WOWOW for Back to the future, by CtrlHD. Here's what they say in their NFO:

This BD is the best of the 3 movies PQ wise but that isn't saying much :/ 
so I used the superior wowow cap that had Jap subs burnt in for every spoken 
word and used another source to overlay the subs using the patented haroldnipps 
method. I prefer this to the BD and so do quite a few other people on the site as 
it at least resemebles film and doesn't have major EE, sharpening, and filtering.

I saw it in 35 mm last september and I can confirm you, PDB, that the 8 mm pics are a lot more closer to the 35 mm than the Blu-ray or any DVD prior to it. I will see it again on June 30th, but don't know yet if it will be in 35 mm or DCP.

Yes, it's too bad there are repetitions about motion smearing and other stuff such as the repetition about the non-anamorphic GOUT, with the exact same extracts to illustrate every time.

If you are in Paris on June the 30th, you can go to the so-called "Terminator marathon" that will show Terminator, Terminator 2 and Terminator Genisys on the Grand Large screen. There's no description whether it will be 35mm or DCPs. Well, the new one will definitely be DCP. Maybe the first one too, now that the restoration exists. As for T2, my guess is it will be a 35mm print.

https://legrandrex.cotecine.fr/reserver/F87041/D1435683600/VO?

That's indeed closer to the 35 mm print I saw last september. T2 is supposed to look tealer, with a bit of purple and it's supposed to be a bit darker than it is on video. On the print I saw, in the steel factory, there was less orange than there is on video, and one shot especially that I recall was pretty much all yellow.

see here : http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Terminator-2-in-search-of-the-theatrical-sound-mix/post/771312/#TopicPost771312

OK, I have just rewatched the 4-source comparison CSchmidlap posted on the previous page. The screener does look closer in the vault shots. It's less the vault door itself than the back green wall that captured my attention when watching it in theater the other day. Otherwise, the prologue looks closer of all the 4 sources, but it needs to be warmer. William Fichtner's face needs to be more orange, as if he came back from 3 weeks in the Bahamas or from a UV session, you know... Also, the screener, being darker, is closer in the Joker-revealing-his-face shot.

Nope, never seen the screener.

Aren't these bunch of screenshots a bit off in terms of aspect ratio? It seems to me that they are stretched vertically.

I have just watched the IMAX Dark Knight prologue on Begins bonus, and it's completely off. The vault shots are supposed to be green/cyan, not blue. And the whole thing misses some warmth.

Also, I watched The Dark Knight trailers and TV spots, and though inconsistant between them, they're basically a lot closer to the DCP.

Next thursday, the same theater in Paris will show the trilogy. Since I recently went to see The Dark Knight, I was considering to just go for Batman Begins (probably in 35 mm), but a trilogy marathon does sound appealing.

I saw T2 last september in 35 mm : the print I saw was not blue the way it is on video. It was tealer with a touch of purple. It looked more like this:

http://www.heberger-image.fr/data/images/97099_Terminator_2_version_cin_ma_talonnage_customis_1080p_Blu_ray_DTS_HDHR_DTS_VF.mkv_snapshot_00.06.46_2015.05.20_15.26.13_.jpg

And I was astonished to notice that there was basically not even a bit of orange in this shot in the steel factory. It was all yellow:

http://www.heberger-image.fr/data/images/69367_Terminator_2_DC_1080p_Blu_ray_REMUX_DTS_HDMA_DTS_HDHR_DTS_MULTi.mkv_snapshot_02.15.00_2015.05.20_15.23.54_.jpg