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Wow, dude that is pretty amazing.

I think that streaky stuff when they go into the wormhole and it gets all trippy was Abel.

Speaking of effects, I wonder what's going to happen to ILM in the long run. How do they stay necessary and valuable. (It seems significant that RED TAILS had most of its effects not done by ILM)

Done!

I haven't said that (this week). 

It's amazing that the separation masters were so bungled, it makes you wonder how many movies you think are taken care of actually aren't. I hope at last Empire and Jedi were done properly. (Wonder if THX1138 even got that level of treatment, or was too low-budget for any kind of archival versions, which would make that "restoration" just as bad if not worse. )

But if some of those original composite shots are just too far gone, what can you do. That one particular stock was defective, and I assume those shots are just rotting and getting worse all the time? Close Encounters had the same issue I believe, (the same defective stock from '77) not sure what the solution there was. 

Don't you understand? It's a double standard. Why was Robert Wise spared the fans outrage merely for being dead? Why didn't fans conduct a seance to yell at him for Paramount's decisions? And why have fans consistently failed to build a time machine to yell at 90s Ridley Scott for not releasing all the various versions he had no control over? Where is it?

Anchorhead said:On a serious note;  I need to find out how to get the theatrical editions to these first five.  I've been a big fan since they were each originally in the theaters, but I sort of drifted.  2009 is my go-to now, but I would like to have these. 

Personal favorite of the Pentology;  Voyage Home. 

The current blu-rays (and dvds) are all the theatrical, even VI.

It's funny how this paper-thin, feeble talking point has become a thing lately. At least I've seen it popping up elsewhere lately, like in the comments section for articles about the 35th anniversary. ("[INSERT MOVIE NAME] had two versions that weren't always sold simultaneously at all points in history. Why isn't anyone mad at [INSERT DIRECTOR NAME]?") Is it the same guys or was there a memo? Although this is the first time I've heard GODFATHER being awkwardly crowbarred into it, so points for originality there I guess.

Pfft, we all know that shitty Falken computer isn't really the smartest one.

danny_boy said: I am trying to accentuate the excessive reaction to Lucas's alterations which are getting out of hand.Robert Wise made major changes to  Star Trek: The Motion Picture for that film's release on DVD in 2001/01 whilst the theatrical version was withheld from DVD home video------ until it was released on bluray in 2009----- but Wise did not  get rebuked as much as Lucas in that time period.Only the 1992 director's cut of Blade Runner was released on DVD in 1997/98(and a poor quality 

Really with this? Do you really not see the difference in the reactions is proportionate to what actually happened? 

Really? (and by the way, not that this will make a fucking dent, but here it is anyway: the fate of theatrical Blade Runner and Trek 1 were 100% dictated by Paramount Home video and Jerry Perenchio, not Wise/Scott but who cares about accurate comparisons, right?)

This movie is in a weird position, the Star Wars connection isn't the source of goodwill it would have been a few years ago. Maybe they should de-emphasize it. (plus, I think we now have the weird situation where even current Star Warsies aren't necessarily going to support it, they've been getting all pissed and resentful about nostalgia and putting the old movies on a pedestal, that one guy with the angry prequel blog might have a rage stroke). 

It's obviously Jedi Master Has-El Hoff

Starcrash- David Hasselhoff's Lightsaber Duel - YouTube

I might wait to see how they handle that material for the Omnibus. (didn't they say they would get to reprinting every possible thing from that era? Maybe it will have the extra stuff from the newspapers? could be remembering that wrong..)

Yeah he's talking about a print struck directly off the newly created '97 special edition negative that they've made, and lamenting how many more stages (and lab trial and error) it has to go through before it gets to your theater. (back in pre-digital 1997)

Did you know they dubbed Die Hard 2 with "Mr. Falcon" over "motherfucker" in an era where MORE PEOPLE would see it that way than any other?? But where is the outrage at Renny Harlin? It's completely the same! 

Most of it could still be used but some of the shots would have to come from other sources, which is not uncommon in restoration. (Or they could ignore the negative and use something else, like the Blade Runner '82 blu-ray)

The Jedi are in charge of that huge war so people must know them, just like people knew about General Patton, Macarthur, etc. 

danny_boy said:

But even within those 3 short years from 1977-81---- was there anything like the vitriolic hate towards Coppola like there is towards  Lucas for the re-edit of their respective movies----I don't think so.

 

Why the fuck would there be? 

The criterion laserdisc WAS the original version. The branching option was for special edition scenes, meanwhile the special edition had its own laser. And the original version was shown on TV regularly all through those years, (as well as a hybrid version for ABC.) Also, Sony controls that movie, not Spielberg. He doesn't control Poltergeist either. 

OK, The Coppola/Godfather thing is exactly the same as Star Wars, in fact it's worse. Way to go, Coppola. Way to not do something that you could not have done anything about. And thanks a lot for losing my car keys too, Francis.

danny_boy said:

The Godfather was eventually treated to a restoration in 2008-----but it was in a severe state of disrepair prior to that point(even though new prints had been struck for the 25th anniversary in 1997)-----but Coppola did not recieve the same type of abuse that Lucas continues to get.

 

Do you not understand that Coppola, then and now, has NO ownership over the Godfather elements? They are the property of Paramount. Always. (and in fact when they were being neglected, Coppola was literally bankrupt). I can't tell if you're straining to make some mysterious, bogus point or just doing schtick.

danny_boy said:

And I guess you don't remember this:

the first two Godfather films had sustained additional damage in the 1980s, when Paramount sent them to an optical house to make new prints. The original rolls were disassembled and then reassembled incorrectly, a cheaper but chemically damaging fill was used, and the films’ lyrical 12' and 16' dissolves were replaced with dissolves of generic length 

Hey no shit, what does that have to do with anything? Some lab goon working for Paramount home video did that.   

danny_boy said: the OCN of the Godfather cannot even be passed through a pin registered mechanism anymore without falling apart(but Coppola does not get the type of vitriolic hate that is often attribued to Lucas because of it)--

 

Hey, remember when Coppola ran the Godfather negative through a 90s computer in order to put Moe Greene on a cartoon dinosaur and to paste Andy Garcia's head on Abe Vigoda's body?

I like this decision. It brings some optimism, she's smart enough and cool enough to recognize how dopey the blu-ray situation is, and how not releasing 3 catalog discs that can't lose money and causes years of endless bad P.R. is a weird business decision. 

The reaction in various articles has been kinda unnecessarily mean and snarky seems like.