Anakin Starkiller

The Death Star has to explode in ANH. It’s the climax image that musical cue without the thing blowing to smithereens. We may not be blowing it up completely, but the explosion should still be explosive, with all the same momentum.

Anyway let’s talk about music. Now there’s nothing really “wrong” with the OT’s music, besides the absence of the Imperial March in ANH, something easily fixed. However, what if we opened our minds and considered making some slight alterations anyway. Namely, I’m talking about giving each of the three main heroes a theme. Leia already has one, and Han has one Williams composed for Solo that isn’t used in the Saga. The only one entirely missing a theme is Luke, as his was hijacked to serve as the series theme when it outlived his story. I wonder if it would be possible to reverse engineer a theme for him from Luke and Leia. Like, something similar but still distinct from Luke and Leia. Like how Han Solo and the Princess kinda sounds like Leia’s theme (and Marion’s from Indiana Jones…) but isn’t. These character themes wouldn’t need to play every time they’re onscreen, but in pivotal character moments, first appearances, and reveals. Something to think about.

idir_hh said:

idir_hh said:

Regardless, I think it would be nice to have the sanscrit chants from DOTF play in that scene,

https://vimeo.com/414116878

I don’t think that version of the track works here. Besides Kim’s trailer style music not meshing well with Williams’ style, it simply doesn’t sound diegetic. It doesn’t sound like the chanting is coming from the cultists.

thebluefrog said:

I wonder if there’s a way to do the Colin Trevorrow script of 9 somehow.

Deepfake technology is better than ever.

Audiobooks have lots of unused dialogue.

The actors like Driver or Daisy have other roles to get lines.

There’s movie quality video game and other sources of media.

It’d be incredibly hard, but I think it’d be doable to do the script from all the material out there.

We’re never gonna get the whole script in there, beat for beat. However, we can probably loosely adapt elements from it.

I’d love to see the space horse scene redone as Finn leading the Coruscant uprising. That would require moving the climax from Exegol to Coruscant, though, to avoid the disjointedness of the climax being on two planets at once, which reportedly was fixed in later drafts. Maybe it’d be better to just have it be a stormtrooper uprising on Exegol? It’d certainly save us a lot of FX work.

I really want a way to integrate Hux’s lightsaber seppuku as it’s such a striking shot in the concept art. This would require a ton of new shots, though.

One thing I really liked from Duel of the Fates that I knew someone as derivative as Abrams would never do was give the other Knights of Ren lightsabers. I think they should all have lightsaber. Red and crackly, but no crossguard. They’re knights, ffs. This should be trivial for an FX expert to accomplish in their battle with Ben using a little rotoscoping. As a bonus, having more than three lightsaber wielders takes us one step further from the ST being an OT ripoff, which is always good.

I can’t think of anything else I’d want to take from Duel of the Fates. That Rey/Poe romance definitely belongs in the grave (casual reminder to all editors to remove their introduction to each other from TLJ since their romance was removed and this was Trevorrow requested seen to set up just that).

So I’ve come up with a loose five act structure for my take on Batman. I’m thinking five seasons of hour long episodes (full hours, not 44 minutes). This gives each villain room to breathe in their own solos episodes. I tried to stick to the use of strong themes like in the Nolan films. The acts are as follows:

Batman Begins: A lot of beats taken from the movie of the same name, namely the focus on Batman’s origins and the theme of fear. Throughout the season, Arkham Asylum superintendent Dr. Jonathan Crane appears to be up to no good, with inmates disappearing left and right. Okay, so yeah it pretty much is Batman Begins, which is appropriate given the title. The Joker is hinted at throughout and one episode has the Red Hood falling in a vat of acid at Ace Chemicals, though we never see who was under the mask. The arc villain is scarecrow. Batman starts of dealing with normal crime bosses, culminating in the Penguin.

Batman Strikes (tentative title): The same way the first act took from Batman Begins, the second act draws from The Dark Knight. We now a fully formed Batman. District Attorney Harvey Dent is waging war on the criminals of Gotham but new villain the Joker throws a wrench everything. We get Two-Face as the arc villain, but in this version he survives and becomes a part of the rogues gallery. Like TDK, we have a theme of chaos.

Batman Rises: Okay, here’s the part where the Nolan films go out the window (on a script level, since right off the bat (ha!) they were aesthetically the total opposite of my take). This one’s all about teamwork. We start off with the Sewer King, an amalgam character based on the Sewer King from TAS, Killer Croc, and Burton’s Penguin. Essentially, he’s an outcast whose parents threw him away as a baby due to his deformed reptilian skin. He came to live in the sewers, where he keeps pet crocodiles and an army of orphans who serve him. Among these orphans is a young boy named Tim Drake. When Batman frees the orphans from the Sewer King’s oppression, Tim begins an investigation into Batman’s identity, eventually locating the Batcave and deducing that Batman is Bruce Wayne. This impresses the Bat so much he adopts him and takes him on as an apprentice named Batboy.

Meanwhile, Joker is in Arkham following his capture at the end of the last season. There he manipulates a young Arkham cook (because there’s no way he’d manipulate someone whose entire job is understanding the human mind) named Hayley Fitzpatrick. She falls in love with him and helps him escape. Afterwards, to prove her love for him, she plunges into the vat of acid at Ace Chemicals and Joker dubs her Harlequin. The two wreak chaos throughout Gotham and clash with Batman and Batboy.

Batman Falls: Batboy becomes disillusioned with Batman’s ways and leaves him. Poison Ivy points out to Harlequin how abusive her relationship with Joker is so she ditches him. While on the run, Tim and Hayley meet and briefly work together, bonding over their similar situations. They eventually part ways when their goals no longer align. Tim also meets fellow vigilante Spoiler, with whom he falls in love. Meanwhile, Batman’s dealing with Catwoman and Dr. Freeze. The latter meets Harley leading her to realize that just because her love for Joker wasn’t true love doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist (taking that one straight from that one episode of Harley Quinn). So yeah, in case you couldn’t tell, the theme of this season is love. Oh and Batman tries to hire a new Batboy but he ends up being too violent so he fires him. Mad Hatter is there, and we see his failed romance with Alice.

Batman Returns: The theme here is identity. Batman reunites with the original Batboy, or as he now calls himself, Robin. Spoiler is also along for the ride (sorry, Barbara, you’re sitting this one out). Actor Basil Karlo has a tragic accident and resorts to a special cream to heal his facial injuries, becoming Clayface, a man with no real face of his own. Batman decides he wants to know who the Joker really is. DNA tests turn up nothing, his DNA having been corrupted by his acid bath. Batman puts two and two together and deduces that Joker is the Red Hood, which leads him down a long investigation. And yet there are so many conflicting possibilities. Jack Napier, head of the Red Hood gang, went missing that fateful night. Jeremy Valeska was there too. Struggling comedian Arthur Fleck was last seen that night. They all were ginger. The Riddler, the only one smart enough to know the secret identity of just about everyone, taunts him about this. Batman confronts Joker, demanding to know the truth, but Joker simply toys with him, finding the whole situation very amusing. That’s when Harlequin, now named…something, I haven’t really decided yet, shows up and kills Joker as vengeance for his mistreatement of her. We never do find out who he was. Haley dies from her injuries, but not before revealing she had a daughter with the Joker. An epilogue features an older Bruce Wayne, crippled from years of crime fighting, sitting outside his manor with an older Selina Kyle, looking after two children, a black haired boy who looks a lot like Bruce, and a hyperactive young girl with distinct ginger hair.

Oh wow, that’s an interesting alternate implementation!

It’s not the same track. Here’s what I meant.

You know what would make these films feel less OT derivative? Replacing much of OT music with PT music! It would make the Saga feel more unified. Maybe Palpatine’s Sith choir can recite a portion of Duel of the Fates. There could be a hint of Battle of the Heroes in the Death Star since they sorta mirror each other in a fire and water kinda way. Across the Stars could play when Ben and Rey kiss. Kamino’s theme as the camera passes the jar of Snokes (btw, why is that theme there when Palpatine sucks Ben and Rey’s lifeforce?). Of course these only apply to TRoS, but I’m sure there’s some you could use for the other two films. Oh, I know! I’m So Sorry could play as Rey refuses to take Kylo’s hand in TLJ. In fact, I think I’ll got put that together right now, see how it looks.

EBsynth. I edited the first frame and it did the rest.

Oh.

The shield is amazing.

When it comes to eliminating the Second Death Star, I think simply having the first one survive is by far the better option. It’s much more feasible and strays a lot less from canon. Instead of vaporizing instantly in ANH, it shatters into chunks. In RotJ, it would simply be rebuilt in a similar fashion to the Skywalker Saber or Kylo’s mask in TRoS.

What if we bookended the Saga by ending on a shot that echoes the first shot of TPM?

Knight of Kalee said:

snooker said:

Something I threw together for fun:
https://streamable.com/40modd

I’d really like the former Jedi Temple to appear in an hypothetical Coruscant shot for the ending victory montage. Bringing even more closure for the nine-film arc.

It already does. It was added by Lucas.

I took my medication for concentration and dedicated the day to working on my story and…nothing. Absolutely nothing. It’s really disheartening. This project has always been stuck in development hell, and I feel like the weight of expectations and too much planning has something to do with it. At least I came up with a few ideas I can implement next time I give it a shot. I might take tomorrow off since today, though unproductive, was so intense.

Also been having serious hand-washing addiction lately (it always stays there to an extent, but lately it’s out of control). And no, it has nothing to do with germophobia.

DominicCobb said:

Chase Adams said:

ACTUAL FILM STILL yikes

Believe or not, it is in fact a miniature, but I guess 'round these parts this might be common knowledge.

Here’s a first stab at redesigning the Joker in TDK.

At this stage it’s nothing but an idea. Don’t expect anything to come of it, although there is a chance it might. As it stands, I have no immediate plans to tackle such an endeavor. Besides, the only way I’d have a Batman saga I find truly satisfying would be to make it from scratch, and that’s obviously never happening (besides possibly scripts, but I have my hands full with others already).

That said, I have been toying with ways of tweaking the Joker’s design in TDK to make it more classic.

I think the easiest solution is to combine planets. Tatooine=Jakku=Pasaana Naboo=Takodana=Ajan Kloss Redesigning the planets would take a lot more work.

But don’t you think it’s strange to show a version of Anakin that we’ve never seen?

Tell that to the majority on this forum who for some reason insist on using Shaw.

Darth Sadifous said:

idir_hh said:

Darth Sadifous said:

idir_hh said:

idir_hh said:

So in this hypothetical version, Palpatine is dying, all this time he has been grooming Kylo and Rey, a prophesiced Dyad, to inherit the throne after his death. Palps gives the rundown to Kylo but he knows that there has to be a catch, he plays along but plans to kill him together with Rey. I think the dynamic between Kylo and Palps has to change, Palps will play the act of a weak, harmless old man, like the good old days with Anakin. Make Kylo less hostile, rather more intrigued. I’m working on a mockup that will go something like this:

• At last! My boy.
• Snoke trained you well.
• I killed Snoke.
• I made Snoke. I have been the voice inside your head.
• The first Order was just the beginning, I will give you so much more.
• I have died before, now I don’t have long, I’m weak - more than a clone, less than a man.
• What could you give me ?
• Everything - a new Empire, the might of the final order will soon be ready, It will be yours if you do what I ask.
• Become what your grand father Vader could not! Find the girl, Turn her and bring her before me. Together you will rule the galaxy as emperor and empress. Two that become one. A dyad of the dark-side of the force.
• Who is she ?
• Our blood. (just my crazy headcanon)

Here’s a proof of concept:
https://vimeo.com/411776713

-Added in a hint of the “Palpatine’s teachings” track.
-Axed Snoke’s clone, as well as switching around the shots for better fluidity.
-Cut Snoke’s line “you have ever heard”.
-Cut Kylo’s aggression, he’s almost submissive, which in the context of this story makes his plan to kill Palps all the more pronounced.

It be cool if someone could replace the vats of Snoke clones with ones of Palapatine instead.

It’s a good idea, but wouldn’t palps have to be naked? I’m getting queasy just thinking about it.

I was thinking close ups of failed cloned Palapatine(s) faces in tanks with red bacta around them. However, I do shutter to think of “The Senate” just letting it all hang out. I guess that is why the novelist of TRoS retconned Palaptine’s “son’s” origin. She couldn’t bring herself to picture the ole prune bumping uglies w/ some slave girl.

In other clone news, I do really think it be cool to replace the Sith Eternal Personnel with OG Jango Clones, but I know it probably be impossible to achieve. I think it would have been an awesome call back to the prequels, to Kylo’s line to Hux in TFA and would have gotten a pop from the audience. Also I think it would have gotten the point across that Palaptine is a clone subtly to the audience without have to come out and say it. One can dream…

Oh I’m sure it could be done with deepfakes, at least for any white males, it’s just I’m little hesitant given how heroic they’re portrayed as in TCW. Don’t wanna go against that.

BedeHistory731 said:

I’d prefer it if the green crystal was Qui-Gon’s, with Qui-Gon being the only prequel Jedi with a green blade. That way, it seems like a “full circle” kind of moment.

Definitely agree with that. I’d also make Leia’s saber use that crystal, although working out the continuity for that would be tough.

Tell that to the guys who deleted the scene where Indiana Jones gets inside the sub before it submerges. Lol.

But in all seriousness I get what you mean.

Yeah, I agree with what the others say that CPY should stay dead and we should work with the CG version to be consistent with the other two Prequels. We should work on deepfaking that instead.

Should go in the preservation setion, not the fanedits section.

In my books a film should never exceed 2 and 1/2 hours.