Anakin Starkiller

That is superb.

Just a technical note I don’t think it’s accurate to say it’s Kim’s music, he’s merely recreating the music from the trailer.

Huh. And here I assumed he was the composer.

So comparing this to the scene let’s be real we all know TROS was inspired by, look how much time eclipses between the >“we’ve lost” moment to the “everybody’s here!”. There’s this tension that’s slowly building as the heroes gather >together. It’d be so jarring otherwise (as we see in TROS).
https://youtu.be/xp2YlHPAyVI?t=62

I was so sure you were gonna link to RotJ! Besides, Endgame wouldn’t have been out when the script for RoS was finalized. The cavalry arriving to the rescue is just a classic trope.

MY ONE ADDITON: https://vimeo.com/422031021
(password is fanedit)

Apparently it isn’t, cuz it’s not letting me in.

In response to the previous post, I think Batman Returns is a masterpiece whereas '89 is forgettable and took away everything that made the Joker interesting.

As for Harry Potter, I think my opinion is actually quite unpopular in that I think the films got much worse as they went along. Columbus’s films were fantastic, Cuaron and Newell’s work was pretty good (although I do take issue with some changes Cuaron brought to the table and Yates took to the extreme), and the Yates films are a fucking embarrassment. Seriously, you can’t see shit, and the plots are sleep-inducing relative to what came before. Having not read the books, I don’t how much of that was down to Rowling and how much to Kloves and Goldenberg, but it lacked all the mystery and fantasy of earlier entries, settling for being just another YA trilogy, right down to splitting the last book in half.

Oh and the composers only accentuate this gradual downward spiral. We go from the living legend John Williams to bottom of the barrel composer Alexandre Desplat, with appropriately decent composers in between.

It’s really good, but Kim’s trailer music style simply doesn’t gel well with Williams’.

Which is? Stormtrooper uprising?

JakeRyan17 said:

Finn had a clear arc in The Last Jedi, and the clever thing was it was inverted from Rose’s even though the same experiences teach them the lessons. Rose and Poe’s arcs are to go from an “at all costs” approach, ready to sacrifice everything, to understanding that sometimes doing whatever it takes isn’t the same thing as doing it at all costs. Finn’s arc goes from a man without a cause, driven by fear, to becoming someone that understands there are things worth fighting for, even being ready to sacrifice himself. A lot of people say his arc is ruined since he doesn’t sacrifice himself, but that’s not true since he was actually ready to sacrifice himself. He was still making that choice.

In fact, him being stopped from sacrificing himself is part of Rose’s arc, with Poe agreeing with her as part of his. They’ve learned that reckless sacrifice isn’t always the solution.

I found Goodfellas to be interminably dull and it just refused to end. I was also convinced I was watching Alden Ehrenreich in the lead role until I checked IMDb afterwards.

In RotJ, have Luke mention he regrets selling his landspeeder since he did come back to Tatooine after all.

I think starting on anything but the Battle of Coruscant is a massive mistake. It’s a perfect opening, and I suspect it’d be extremely hard to integrate smoothly later on.

[Double post]

JakeRyan17 said:

As for new characters that were introduced in Rise of Skywalker, the two most prominent were both added to the script for the same reason: to shout “No homo”. Zorri doesn’t serve the plot, and is only there to be a romantic interest from Poe’s past. Jannah is meant to be a romantic interest to replace Rey (for the sake of Reylo shippers) and Rose. And there was no way we could allow Poe and Finn to have a romantic connection despite their chemistry, fans, and even actors’ desire… but it’s good to know there’s a line JJ won’t cross for fan service.

I still don’t see where people get Finn/Poe from. I literally don’t see any romantic tension between them whatsoever.

Besides, I feel like between Rey and Rose, we’ve already met the “no homo” quota for Finn. If anything, Jannah’s there to fulfill the stormtrooper rebellion idea, albeit extremely clumsily.

Then we have the new characters introduced in 2 and 3. Did most audiences really care about Holdo, Rose, the literally unnamed DJ, Jannah, or Zorri? Snoke had potential but that was cut off before anything could grow.

The difference is in TLJ the secondary characters move the character arcs along, whereas in TRoS they’re just kinda there.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Feature-length hardcore porn is pointless. Nobody watches this stuff for the plot.

Wait that actually exists? Why?!

CourtlyHades296 said:

Bringing Palpatine back was necessary for the Skywalker Saga to properly conclude.

THANK YOU!!! Finally someone sees eye to eye with me on the matter. Palpatine is key to all of this. He was the mastermind behind the first 6, so continuing without him would be extremely anti-climactic. I’m glad I didn’t have to edit in a line about Snoke being Palpatine’s rotting corpse or something. Abrams and Terrio saved me the trouble.

Have Leia stay in space 'til Crait, then float down, enter the atmosphere as a meteor and striking one of the AT-M6s with meteoric force.

Honestly, I really like how Snoke is set up as the Emperor 2.0 but then Kylo goes “fuck this” and offs him halfway through the trilogy. It’s subversive and it works.

JJ and his “mystery box” approach worked for getting people interested in the “fresh start” aspect. However, without any actual payoff, TLJ retroactively undoes any intrigue or mysteries of TFA. The surprises of Empire don’t make watching ANH worse in its plot points (for the most part) but TLJ makes all the questions from TFA basically pointless.

They were dumb questions to begin with.

Rey’s parents was kind of interesting but when you don’t answer it and leave us to think about it for a year, then everyone forms clear ideas on who they think they should be (lucky me my theory was correct (until TRoS)) and get disappointed when the reveal isn’t what they asked for. Would the Vader twist in ESB have had anywhere near the same impact if ANH had spent its runtime poking the audience to ask who Luke’s father is? No, because we would’ve seen it coming a mile away, while some fanboys would ramble about how Obi-Wan or Tarkin should’ve been his father instead.

As for everything else, I’d argue it’s less intentional mystery and more Abrams stumbling over his own feet by skipping any kind of backstory. Did you really think Snoke was supposed to be someone we knew? Of course not, because he was just Palpatine 2.0. What Abrams failed to realize was that unlike in ESB, you can’t just introduce the evil ruler of the universe without providing some context. Naturally, people started asking questions about him.

Same goes with the Knights of Ren. From their first appearance in TFA I knew exactly what they’d be and I was right. They were Kylo Ren’s personal extras, with one or two fight scenes, no lightsabers even though they should have them, then they die. What you expected an explanation? You must’ve forgotten who’s making these.

I don’t get Evangelion. I (reluctantly, with great difficulty towards the end - never forcing myself through something that way again) watched all 26 episodes and the movie and it just doesn’t click with me. At least the opening’s kickass.

CourtlyHades296 said:

I find the majority of films in the MCU to be overrated. They are released far too quickly and focus way too much on CGI action that ends up looking fake. Nothing can replace practical effects for me.

I too simply don’t see the appeal of Marvel films. I like Guardians though.

I just don’t think calling it what it is (OT 2.0) is gonna do us any favors in making it not OT 2.0. We should make the fight seem more even. The Resistance fleet seen in TLJ could simply be one of many, although that would require several story changes.

Fair point, and I do agree that’s what he was going for, but he’s also the one who wrote the line “The First Order will control all major systems within weeks.” He’s doubling down on retreading the OT. I don’t see that as a good thing. The situation should be made to seem different.

Do you mean after Endor or just cutting out Endor?

Also, why you posting that here? We have a radical redux thread for that.

I feel like this should really be obvious, but every mention of “the Rebellion” should be replaced with “the Resistance”. I swear, it’s like the filmmakers didn’t care.

Giving the KoR lightsabers is a must in my book. They should be crackly like Kylo’s, but without the crossguard, as it symbolizes him being their leader. Maybe on Exegol one of the others could have crossguard to signify he’s been replaced? Probably not, just a thought.

If he weren’t so old, I’d say to make Lor San Tekka the one surviving Jedi student who didn’t turn. It would add a layer to Kylo killing him. But like I said, he’s much too old.

I think the KoR need a presence in TFA and TLJ. It might be possible to repurpose the shot of them walking with Kylo aboard a Star Destroyer in TFA or the start of TLJ, but one would have to remove the cracks (EbSynth could handle that). That closeup of the mask definitely has to go if we do that. The KoR aren’t in the following scene (the meeting), and we already have an establishing shot of the ships, so removing it should be seamless.

As for where to put it, I think a good spot would be just before Kylo meets with Hux at the start of TLJ. Like in TRoS, they wouldn’t be present for the meeting itself. Maybe one could composite one them into the shot after the helmet smashing right before “Prepare my ship”. However, the shot after has the camera rotating, so they couldn’t feasibly be in that one.

One could insert them into that one wide shot of Kylo on Mustafar, surrounded by his fallen enemies. It’s the only shot they’d need to be in continuity-wise I think.

The idea of giving them dialog, while it might make them a tad less intimidating, would be brilliant way of giving them character. We could explicitly establish them as Luke’s former students that way.

I was thinking maybe Jar Jar is a little played out though. How 'bout someone you’d never see coming?

Palpatine: I have been every voice!..

Snoke: …you have ever heard!..

Poggle (subtitled unintelligible clicking): …inside your head!

Palpatine: I have been every voice!..

Snoke: …you have ever heard!..

Jar Jar: …inside yousa head!

To have a consistent baddie throughout the Prequels, exposit in the crawl for AotC that Dooku is actually a resurrected Maul.

When Rey hears the Jedi voices, replace the lines with memey ones.

Anakin: I don’t like sand.

Obi-Wan: I have the high ground.

Mace: Does he look like a bitch?

Ki-Adi: What about the droid attack on the wookiees?