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#1374538
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Trevorrow too wanted to deal with the Medal controversy. “Duel of the Fates” features a scene that’s an echo of the medal presentation in the first Star Wars film, with Leia presenting medals to the various heroes; Finn, Rose, Poe, and Chewie. Naturally, this scene was impossible after Fisher’s passing, and instead Abrams had to find a more subtle way to pull off the same kind of idea.

More subtle?! Are you fucking kidding me?!!

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#1374531
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Chewie receiving the medal and superweapon Star Destroyers were all present.

I legit don’t remember those being in DotF, but I’ll take your word for it.

As a sidenote, one thing that’s starting to bother me more and more is how Return of the Jedi has the Death Star II and in the very next film we see yet another Death Star in Starkiller Base. This is so jarring especially if you’re watching the films in sequence order. Do we really need back to back films with a Death Star?

People bitched about Starkiller Base, but DSII is no better. ANH should’ve been the end of it.

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#1374427
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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but 3 different writers without a plan?

Five, actually. TFA has three credited writers and RoS has two, although Abrams is one of each. For comparison the OT had three and the PT had two, and all the of the first six films at least gave Lucas a story by credit, so there was guiding vision. RoS gives that credit to DotF’s writers (for some reason), so if you count those the ST has a whopping seven different writers, only one of which appeared for more than one entry (Abrams). Compare that to the PT being almost singlehandedly written by Lucas (with help on AotC) and the difference is night and day. The PT knew what story it wanted to tell and the ST didn’t. Hell, the ST even had a different producer each on top of Kennedy and Abrams (the latter only for the ones he directed).

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#1374394
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How many good third movies in a trilogy can you name?
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StarkillerAG said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

Well there we go. Listing third entries that aren’t a part of trilogies.

I thought Lord of the Rings and Back to the Future were trilogies? Are there some further installments I’m not aware of?
And no, The Hobbit doesn’t count.

I was just taking the whole list. Of course those ones are trilogies. I was talking about the others.

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#1374393
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If you need to B*tch about something... this is the place
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So I joined a Discord, and shortly thereafter was shadowbanned presumably for being what one of the mods considered right wing, even though I am not even remotely right wing. I posted my political compass to prove it, and when I came back the next day, the server was gone, and I couldn’t rejoin. I complained about it on the subreddit whose server it is and when someone asked why I was banned, a mod said I joined and immediately started calling people gay. That’s just outright factually wrong. There’s no way you could ever interpret what I did as such, but I didn’t have the chance to defend myself because they locked the thread. And to think they wonder why they’re so lonely.

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#1374202
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Dinner Time - post a meal for each Star Wars movie...
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TPM - Pizza with olives you’re gonna remove but quality pizza nonetheless

AotC - Some weird foreign dish that isn’t as good as you expected and you kinda don’t wanna finish

RotS - A damn good steak (if a touch too big) with a salad you aren’t gonna eat

ANH - Gourmet French hamburger (trust me, the French make the best burgers)

ESB - Orange duck - I don’t like it but apparently others really do - it’s not bad, though

RotJ - Serviceable but uninteresting soup with a pretty good ice cream sundae for dessert

TFA - American fast food hamburger

TLJ - Fancy wine and dine that’s a bit of an acquired taste

TRoS - Mixed platter of reheated leftovers with barbecue sauce thrown on top

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#1374196
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The Rise Of Skywalker - Abrams' Vision or Executive Meddling?
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So most fans seem to agree that RoS was a disappointing mess. However, there’s a lot of disagreement on who is responsible for it turning out that way.

Personally, I think the fault lies mostly with Abrams. All the bizarrely bad decisions seem like exactly the sort of indulgences he’d make. Cyan tint over the whole movie like his Star Trek films, constant breakneck pace, shallow story with superfluous fanservice, etc… JJ said the film we saw is his cut, after all.

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#1374187
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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It’s really weird because the two films prior don’t really seem to be setting up any romantic relationships between the two

That’s what I said, but apparently I’m just a weird straight person who can’t see gay subtext. At least that’s the impression I get from what I’ve been told.

I thought RLM hit the nail on the head when discussing how sexless TFA was in comparison to the first two trilogies, and this carried through the entire ST. I would have preferred some definite romantic relationships of any type instead of the vague platonic mess that was TROS.

That’s right! Where’s our Reylo sex scene?

the fact that none of the main characters have a healthy romantic relationship with someone else makes it seem like Disney were just trying to play things overly-safe.

When has Star Wars ever had a healthy romance? Han’s yes means no and divorce when the kid goes rogue approach is hardly admirable, and need I explain what’s wrong with Padme and Anakin?

My last complaint for here would have to be how rushed the film felt to cap off the entire saga, when it would’ve been better to focus on ending the trilogy, not the saga.

Really? AFAICT, all it did to cap off the Saga over the trilogy was bring Palpatine into the mix.

Luke and Leia as sisters was pulled in last minute but if you go back it isn’t that bad, as Luke and Leia never show romantic feelings or something.

Luke and Leia being related is just as embarrassing as Rey Palpatine. Okay, well technically not as much since it didn’t contradict the last film, but the idea is just as cringey.

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#1374183
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How many good third movies in a trilogy can you name?
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That’s #4.
…or 5, or 1, all depending how ya look at it. Japan had a different SMB2 than the rest of the world, so there’s 2 SMB2’s. The original Japanese title is SMB4: Super Mario World. But, as it’s just SMW everywhere else, it could be considered part 1 of it’s own thing.

I’d argue Lost Levels doesn’t count cuz it’s just a glorified level pack, and SMB2 USA doesn’t count because the gameplay is radically different. That leaves 1, 3, and 4 (World in the West).

it would say Zelda 3: A Link to the past, and Metroid 3: Super Metroid if this thread were about video games. or even Final Fantasy III SNES US, which was actually FF VI. There is also Mega Man III and Castlevania III.

This is supposed to be about third entries in trilogies, not in general. Otherwise people are gonna start listing things like Prisoner of Azkaban. The idea here is to see whether or not it’s possible for a trilogy to stick the landing.

A Link to the Past is about a completely different set of characters from the NES games and is set long before, with many games in between. There aren’t particularly strong gameplay links (ha) either. The others are just entries in iterative series, AFAIK.

Return of the King
Tot Story 3
BttF 3 (not as good as 1 but better than 2)
Infinity War
Prisoner of Azkaban

Well there we go. Listing third entries that aren’t a part of trilogies.

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#1373989
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How many good third movies in a trilogy can you name?
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If we’re talking solely movies that are on par with or better than the previous ones (i.e. not a significant step down), then the only ones that come to mind are as follows:

Revenge of the Sith

Jurassic Park III (not really a trilogy since they’re all standalone)

Return of the King (I saw it once ages go, but I’m pretty sure it was on par with the others)

The Last Crusade is borderline case because it is a step down from the other two (it’s a bit too derivative of Raiders in some ways), but it’s still really good (also not really a trilogy)

I haven’t seen Back to the Future III in ages but I think it might hold up

What about game trilogies? I haven’t played it yet but I hear Mother 3 is great. Super Mario World is pretty beloved. Do people like Metroid Prime 3? I’m not a Metroid fan so I wouldn’t know. What’s the verdict on Donkey Kong Country 3?

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#1373981
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Worst Edit Ideas
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Yes, it is. I don’t have anything wrong with Ahsoka in general, I just think her popularity has spiralled out of control and is disproportional to how great she actually is. It’s like how PrequelMemes worships Obi-Wan.

Also, she should’ve died on Malachor. Her existing past RotJ as Ahsoka the White feels contrived and fanservicey.

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#1373809
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<em>The Rise of Skywalker</em> - Rewrite Discussion Thread
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Okay, here’s a first attempt. This isn’t final by any stretch as there still isn’t anything for Poe and Rose to do, and little for Finn to do. We’ll stick with Rise of Skywalker as the title ‘cause it matches Return of the Jedi and Revenge of the Sith quite nicely.

The movie opens with Kylo with his repaired helmet leading an attack on Resistance controlled Coruscant, the Knights of Ren by his side, all wielding crackly red lightsabers. They emerge victorious, but during the battle, Kylo has a crisis of conscience.

Meanwhile, Rey is now a fully trained Jedi, wielding the repaired Skywalker Saber, its blade now crackly like Kylo’s. She is leading the Resistance in the fight for Coruscant. The planet is divided fairly equally between the First Order and the Resistance, the cityscape in ruins. She successfully leads her troops in a battle on the other end of the planet from Kylo. Maybe they have a Force connection during the battle.

After the battle, each side receives a hooded messenger accompanied by Sith troopers. They claim to be from Exegol, and declare an ultimatum; join the Sith Eternal or die. The messenger sent to the Resistance is a male with two tall, straight horns protruding through the top of his hood. The one sent to the First Order is a female with seemingly no unusual traits. Neither of their faces are visible. Give them masks, I guess.

The First Order leadership don’t take this threat seriously while Kylo does. Kylo goes rogue, vacating the First Order throne, and Pryde takes over as Supreme Leader. He sets out for Mustafar in order to find the map to the hidden Sith world of Exegol in the ruins of Vader’s Castle. His knights accompany him. With Kylo gone, Hux snoops around his quarters, discovering Vader’s lightsaber, damaged, but functional. He holds onto it.

Rey goes in search of Exegol, a hidden Sith planet she read about in the Sacred Jedi Texts. Darth Sidious supposedly kept a map to the planet in his throne room, so off to Endor we go!

After a bit of action and scenery, the Knights of Ren locate the map within the castle. There’s only one problem; half of it is missing.

On Endor, Rey has a fun encounter with the Ewoks, but it takes a turn for the worse when mangey grey Ewoks attack them. Being primitive, they don’t pose a significant threat to her, but it’s unsettling nonetheless.

With the guidance of a friendly Ewok, Rey makes it to the ruins of the second Death Star. Once aboard, she finds the throne room and retrieves the other half of the map, only to come face to face with Kylo. The duel plays out like in the real movie (albeit to the tune of Battle of the Heroes), except Kylo’s redemption with Han happens before Rey leaves. He rushes over and offers to help her, as they have the same goal. She agrees. The other Knights are reluctant, but agree. They take off together in the Knights’ ship. The Knights introduce themselves by name, removing their helmets, never putting them back on for the remainder of the film. They are of a variety of species.

Upon assembling the map, they find that it leads them back to Coruscant where they started. Exegol is Coruscant. They follow it to the coordinates of the supposed Sith capitol…only to find the ruins of the once prosperous Jedi Temple. Ben says he needs a new saber. The Knights like the idea so they head to a lightsaber storage room. There Ben finds Qui-Gon’s lightsaber and takes it as his own. The Knights take various other lightsabers.

They venture deep within the Temple. The upper levels are empty, but the map tells them to go deeper. Eventually, they start discovering…things. Most unsettling things. Natural rock formations, strange lagoons filled with stranger creatures, sleeping behemoths, and…more mangey Ewoks?

Eventually, they reach an ominous temple. This is it. They enter it, and while they find many Sith troopers, none of them attack them. Soon enough, they make it to the heart of the temple: a large room with a throne hovering above an endless abyss. And who sits upon that throne. Why none other than Sheev Palpatine. Decayed, blinded, and covered in horrific cybernetic implants. He’s been expecting them. By his side are Mas Amedda and Sly Moore, the two hooded figures from the start.

A staggeringly massive battle rages on at the surface above what’s left of the Senate Building. First Order Dreadnoughts leveling districts, only to be obliterated by Resistance warhammers. Resistance troopers climbing up the bodies of 5 m tall mecha stormtroopers and tossing grenades in the cockpits. Wookiees tearing off limbs. Superlaser siege cannons destroying the foundations of buildings so that they topple onto enemy platoons and capital ships. R2-D2 single handedly taking out a squad of stormtroopers like he was Jackie Chan. Poe being the ace pilot we know him as. It’s total chaos. Bodies flying left and right. And among it all is Finn, fighting on the ground.

Him and Rose are surrounded by stormtroopers, ready to shoot them down. Rose lovingly holds him tight, having lost all hope. That’s when Finn breaks out the big speech. Yeah, you know what time it is. It’s stormtrooper rebellion time. Soon enough, the entire platoon is on his side (and those who aren’t are shot).

Meanwhile, Palpatine is taunting Rey and the Knights. He Force grabs all their lightsabers simultaneously without even moving a muscle and begins playing with them like a toddler with keys. Shortly thereafter, he tells them of how he survived the Battle of Endor, crashed onto the planetoid, and was nursed back to health by a tribe of Ewoks he corrupted. He was then found by his loyal follower Snoke, who he then took as a Sith apprentice. However, after learning all he sought to know, he betrayed Sidious and left him for dead, as he had been when he was found. Having recounted his story, he drains their dyad energy to rejuvenate to his Prequel form, but paler and with Sith eyes. The Knights manage to regain their lightsabers, but Palpatine summons the corpses of Plagueis, Maul, Dooku, Ventress, Grievous, and Vader to fight them. He then turns to a hologram of General Hux and tells him the time has come.

Hux, who is aboard a mega class dreadnought, utters a code phrase, and he and a few officers promptly turn on their colleagues and shoot them down without hesitation. They start turning their ship around. Pryde, seeing this from his own mega class dreadnought is incredibly confused. But it’s too late, as the bridge of his ship is shot down by Hux’s, killing him instantly.

On the ground, the battle is going in the Resistance’s favor, as their ranks are now boosted by rebellious stormtroopers whose helmets bear colorful handprints reminiscent of the bloody one Finn had in the first film. That’s when Palpatine unleashes his secret weapon: the battle droids. Yes, the same ones who debuted in The Phantom Menace (albeit with their playful, silly modern voice), alongside other familiar Seperatist droid troops. So now the Resistance and half of the First Order are fighting battle droids and the other half of the First Order.

Back in the Sith Temple, the scene plays out the same as in the movie we got, with the whole “I am all the Sith and I am all the Jedi” routine, with the difference that Kylo lives.

By the end, the battle is going in the good guys’ favor. Hux utters the words “We’ve lost the Star Wars” onscreen before committing Sith Seppuku with Vader’s saber. The movie ends with a celebration montage and either cuts straight from that to normal credit, or from a quieter scene of Rey and Ben starting a new order to quieter credits.

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#1373807
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How would you combine the best parts of the Star Wars franchise into one LOTR-style trilogy?
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Well it’s already a trilogy of trilogies, so the easiest answer would be make each trilogy a film and be done with it.

But that’s too easy, so let’s get experimental.

Episode I

Princess Leia of the Republic and her escort Jedi Master Obi-Wan are cornered by the Empire. Leia allows herself to be captured so Obi-Wan can escape to the nearby Tatooine. There, he finds young farmboys Luke and Ben (brothers). He tells them about the Force and takes them on as padawans. Meanwhile, Tarkin orders the Death Star to blow up the Republic capital of Alderaan, leaving the Republic without leadership. Ben, Luke, and Obi-Wan, with the help of Han and Chewie, go to the Death Star and save the princess. Unfortunately, the Emperor’s apprentice Darth Maul kills Obi-Wan, though not before he destroys the kyber crystal powering the superlaser. They all get medals and everyone is happy.

Episode II

The Republic is regrouping on its new capital of Naboo when the Empire attacks. The group is split up in the escape. Luke goes to Dagobah to train with Yoda. Han, Chewie, and Leia are captured and taken to Mustafar. There they are to be executed in a gladiatorial arena. Ben and Senator Palpatine are cornered by Maul on Kamino. After defeating Maul, Palpatine tells Ben to kill him. He hesitates, stating that it’s not the Jedi way, but eventually gives in. Over the course of the film, Palpatine teaches Ben the Dark Side while Yoda teaches Luke the Light Side. Eventually, Ben and Luke come to rescue Han and Leia, but Ben betrays Luke and turns him into the Empire. Luke, Han, Chewie, and Leia are now all about to be executed and Ben has turned to the Dark Side. In attendance is the Emperor himself, who’s revealed to be none other than Palpatine. The heroes manage to maneuver their way around the arena beasts and escape as the Republic comes to the rescue. Luke chases Ben down before he can escape and they have duel in the lava fields. By the end, Ben is left burning to death by the shore. Everyone is most certainly not happy.

Episode III

The Republic is mounting an assault on the frozen Imperial capital of Had Abbadon, utilizing their walkers. Success! They’ve made it past the first line of defense, but there’s still a long way to go. The Emperor’s new apprentice Darth Vader is there to greet them. After a lengthy duel with Luke losing, the truth is revealed: He is his brother. Leia goes to the planet’s moon Endor to deactivate the shield around the Death Star, currently docked there. There she is captured by a stormtrooper. He can’t bring himself to shoot her, however. She convinces him to help her. His name is FN-2187 Finn. Together they liberate the native Wookiees who are being enslaved. With their help, they manage to take out the shield generator. Han and Chewie make the trench run, then make their way into the Death Star, and finally blow it up! Luke leads Republic troops to the Imperial Palace where he is confronted by Darth Vader (Ben) and Emperor Palpatine. Luke and Vader duel and just as Luke is about to win, he refuses to kill his brother. Thus Palpatine starts electrocuting him, leading Vader to have a change of heart and take the Emperor’s life at the cost of his own. Victory has been won, but at a cost.