Anakin Starkiller

Coriolis Dooku? Hm. I’ll have to think about that. Doesn’t quite sound right, but at the same time it’s a nice first name.

Han Paxton Solo? You made that one up? I guess it sounds nice. I came up with the name Geraltin Snoke. Still need a name for Dooku. No, not Count, or Duke, or anything of that nature, for you people repeating tired jokes.

See this is why I’m not a big fan of Filoni’s work. Feels like fanfiction with OCs front and center. He worked best with Lucas, and Lucas worked best with him.

JadedSkywalker said:

I read he had ten months to make Rise of Skywalker. Its my opinion that its a very good film to be made in such a short amount of time.

Idk…I think Jurassic Park III is a great film, and they were literally writing the script during filming. Not that’s ever a good idea, but my point is can be done well.

Ten months sounds about right, though, as Abrams was revealed as director in September 2017, and principal photography began in August 2018. Apparently Lucas was brought onboard for story meetings around that time. I can only imagine his reaction went something like this:

It’s Disney’s fault for having such a tight deadline. When Carrie passed, they should have pushed it back a year. No one external forced the release date.

100%. Regardless whose vision the final film was, it sucked because they weren’t given the time to make something better.

None of the bad decisions he made were time-based though. He would have had an extra 6-10 months to try finessing his mountain of bad ideas, but they still would have been fundamentally bad. If anything, looking at how that movie was made, it just would have been packed full of even more - and newer - bad ideas than what we got on his deadline.

Fair enough. I suppose no matter how much time you gave him, Abrams would’ve still made an Abrams film. Which is why they should’ve picked someone other than Abrams. When has Abrams ever stuck a landing on anything? Really, though, the issue isn’t his directing, it’s his writing. So long as you keep him out of the writers’ room, there shouldn’t be any problem. Kinda makes you wonder what the Prequels would’ve been like with the same script but Abrams as director.

Point is, the most fundamental issue was the script, as with just about any bad film, and the way to solve that is to rewrite or get somehow else who can. Personally, I’d have gotten a rewrite of Duel of the Fates, but that’s just me. Oh wait, no, actually, that’s probably a lot of people’s take.

Chase Adams said:

Also, I’m hoping this thread can become a valuable resource for editors, especially Hal 9000 at the moment, to access plenty of wonderful approaches on key, problematic scenes in TROS.

I think making a thread about a particular change that is both common and complex is a good idea. Different people will have different approaches to it, and this thread can help them.

Has anyone considered just removing Kylo’s revelation scene entirely? Rey and co. rescue Chewbacca and get back to the ship. Maybe Kylo watches them take off, but that’s it.

Of course, we all know of the mysterious exchange in ESB/ROTH when Obi-Wan remarks, “That boy is our last hope,” to which Yoda replies, “There is another.” In this video, they arranged the clips to imply that, when Yoda says that line, the “other” is in fact, Rey.

This is an interesting idea that I hadn’t seen mentioned elsewhere

I don’t know if I’ve ever mentioned it, but I did toy with the idea of Rey being the daughter of Luke’s long lost sister, whose tombstone Luke finds on Ach-To. I decided it made way more sense to make Vader the other and make Rey nobody, though.

The ST is based on the canon that Luke and Leia are sisters, so any removal of Leia’s powerful destiny would also have to keep her relation to Luke for the ST to function.

It’s a shitty enough twist to warrant full surgical removal from four films.

Neither version of the “son of a bitch” line works, but while the second is way off, the first is pretty close. Just needs to be less abruptly cut off.

Hal 9000 said:

Well, unless I want to introduce a generational loss across the entire trilogy by ripping the finished edits themselves, at this point it’d probably be easiest to manually trace and rebuild the entire trilogy by overlaying them by a guideline proxy video track ripped from the existing finished edits.

It’s just not worth it, not without the truckloads of free time I once had. Those FCP7 project files are houses burning down caught in suspended animation.

Why would that introduce loss? It’s digital.

IIRC it has a different director than the other two, like JPIII.

Hip hop is the worst.

Yeah, bringing back Maul was worth it.

I don’t see what’s wrong with that. Flows nicely.

fmalover said:

act on instinct said:

Did a quick page flip to skim for The Dark Knight in case it was already mentioned because it felt like a cliche to say it by now but TDK is massively overrated.*

EDIT: *adding the obvious to say Heath Ledger did a great job and that overrated doesn’t mean total ass

I find myself enjoying The Dark Knight Rises a lot more than TDK. In fact TDKR is my favourite of Christopher Nolan’s Batman trilogy.

Now that’s a hot take.

He has the same problems as Lucas, just in the opposite direction. Whereas Lucas doesn’t add enough emotion to his stories, Spielberg adds too much emotion.

Is that how Indiana Jones came out so perfect?

Literally the only good thing that was filmed in Attack of the Clones is the less than 5 minute sequence when Anakin goes on the hunt for his mother, finds her and kills the Sandpeople.

What about the death sticks gag? To me that’s the highlight of the film.

Relative to it’s budget, it’s the worst film ever made.

You’ve clearly never seen RoS.

I’ve no issues with Jar Jar Binks and don’t know why people are so incensed by said character.

I second this.

Multiplayer-only games have no appeal to me. I prefer single player offline games.

And this.

The 70mm animation is incredible, as is the soundtrack by Tchaikovsky.

They resurrected Tchaikovsky for this? Now I’m tempted to see it. But not quite tempted enough to actually do it. Never cared much for Disney. There’s an unpopular opinion for ya.

If J. R. R. Tolkien was as gifted an editor as he was a writer, I may have been able to finish reading The Lord of the Rings. As-is, the books are too frikkin’ bloated.

The Hobbit I could handle but LotR’s six chapters of lollygagging in the Shire I could not. Those books could be half as long as they are and be all the better for it.

It feels like a world in which to live rather than a story to consume, if that makes sense.

That does make sense. Just not quite for me.

For some ungodly reason I got to the urge to throw on Kingdom of the Crystal Skull again and know what? It kinda owns.

KotCS is great.

Superhero Comics, especially Batman, have gotten WAY too dark and gritty in this century.

Haven’t they been doing that since the 80s?

What the flying fuck are the good plot advancing reasons for sex scenes other than to please the bloody audience?!

I feel like if they’re gonna have sex scenes they should at least commit and make it full-on porn. The way I see it, that way they would serve as the perfect culmination of a compelling relationship.

I’d just like to say I hate buns.

NeverarGreat said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

Rebels is frustrating 'cause everything is interesting except the main cast, Ezra especially.

It would have been cool if the show had actually explored a small corner of the galaxy under Imperial control, but instead we got Thrawn, Vader and Palpatine losing to this tiny crew.

I would’ve centered it on the OT crew between ANH and ESB, with episodes about other characters as well like CW.

Well having Mon Mothma as the villain is a pretty laughably bad idea…

Rebels is frustrating 'cause everything is interesting except the main cast, Ezra especially.

Is there any way we could have Rey actually join Kylo in TLJ and have them gone rogue from both factions? I guess not, eh?

It was a while ago, admittedly, and it was more concerning Duel of the Fates.

It’s true bringing a director who’s new to the series in on such a tight deadline could easily have been equally disastrous.

Trailer music does not go in the movies. We’ve be over this extensively on RoS Ascendant’s thread.

But I understand your desire to use it. It’s epic, but at the end of the day it just doesn’t match Williams’ style, making it feel totally out of place.

likely not being able to utilize anything from Trevorrow’s drafts because they would run into Writer’s Guild problems with crediting the story

Except they’re credited anyways (story by). The Writer’s Guild probably doesn’t care how many writers a film has, it just cares about them being credited. And I don’t see why Abrams and Terrio would care about sharing the credit.

But all things considered (production time, Trevorrow leaving, and Carrie Fisher’s untimely demise) it really could’ve been A LOT worse.

Yes, those factors made this film an absolute nightmare to produce, but that doesn’t mean they coped well. We got exactly what you usually get from such horrendously short deadlines. This might not be absolute rock bottom, but it’s close enough not to matter. If Iger had quit being so stubborn about the deadline maybe they could’ve cobbled together something more than half decent.

I just noticed that one of the mods changed the title to say “Abrams’ Vision” rather than “Abrams’ Lunacy”. Props to them for that, it sounds a lot more neutral and less confrontational.

Actually, that was my call as OP. I felt it was needlessly harsh and disrespectful.

He’s made bad movies before, and he made a bad movie again, this time to end the sequel trilogy.

Except having seen four out of five of his films I feel confident in saying he’s never directed anything that was more than okay. TFA is his best work, but it still suffers from being too derivative, a trademark of his entire catalog. Have you seen Super 8? It’s like a really forgettable Stranger Things before Stranger Things.

That and he’s infamous for never finding a landing he couldn’t not stick.

All I’m saying is bringing him back, especially with all the legal shenanigans it took, was a bad call on Lucasfilm’s part.

Oh god I just uncovered a metaphorical hornet’s nest.

A few months ago, I banned three users from my Discord server for repeatedly calling me a pedophile, and a transphobe, among other things. Now it turns out all along they’ve had this other server where they invited a bunch of people from mine. The reason one of my friends had been inactive was because he ditched my server for theirs. And the friend who had been active and providing emotional support to me this month? Also there. God, seems like I can’t trust anybody.

I’m gonna be honest, Mando is overrated. It’s good, don’t get me wrong, but it’s not great. I wouldn’t put it above the first three Disney era films.

idir_hh said:

I say axe Lando’s scene on passana completely, it’s contrived and brakes the pace. If we save his introduction to the scene where Poe is talking to Leia’s body it would be more impactful.
Here’s what cutting the scene would look like.
https://vimeo.com/416400559

I approve of this.