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#1199178
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Most Dissapointing Aspect of Sequel Trilogy? Most Satisfying?
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Collipso said:

I was being a bit hyperbolic. Rian apparently decided to ignore the Vader wannabe aspect of the character, which was a major part of Kylo, so that kind of passes the message that he wanted to just not care as much about consistency to me.

It’s played as character development, though. They make a big deal out of Kylo destroying his mask after Snoke insults it. He realizes he needs to grow beyond being a Vader fanboy.

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#1196639
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Dom's Useless Prequel Edits
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DominicCobb said:

When I was a kid, the Order 66 sequence really worked for me. I don’t know why, probably because I was familiar with all the Jedi characters from the animated Clone Wars and a couple books I’d read (and from my own adventures with their action figures) and also probably because John Williams owns it (as usual). Problem is, you have to take the films on their own, and in that case, the music and the emotion of the whole montage is way out of whack with our investment in these non-characters. Plus, I feel like cutting around to random planets that we’ve never seen before is rather un-Star Wars. Basically, the sequence had to go.

So, without further rambling, here’s my rough radical edit of the Order 66 “montage” (not so much anymore) with a couple music changes thrown in:
https://vimeo.com/248689159
pw: rots

Added bonus: the Jedi don’t all die in one day

Honestly, while it obviously works better if you’ve seen these Jedi in additional content, I think it works fine even without it simply because we recognize them from the previous films. Besides, it’s not meant to be such a personal thing; it’s about the death of the Jedi as a whole, and showing a bunch of them die conveys that idea much better. Plus, it’s just an all around amazing scene.

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#1196638
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Dom's Useless Prequel Edits
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Understandable, it’s a great cue and works well in the scene. However, in my mind, it had to go. First because it’s the second time we heard that track in the film (trying to reduce this kind of repetitive tracking), and second because this is the birth of Vader - let’s hear his march.

Honestly, I like both, and they both work very well for that scene. I think the best approach would be a compromise. The Imperial March only really kicks in at the end, so how about leave it there, but use the clone march for the rest.

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#1196631
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Dom's Useless Prequel Edits
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DominicCobb said:

Looking for feedback on this one. This is a change I’ve wanted to make for a long time, and I’m really happy with the way it works for the first half of this clip, but when the music kicks into higher gear half way through, I’m not sure. Let me know what you think, does it work like this, or should I fade it out earlier?
https://vimeo.com/248610489
pw: rots

Love it.

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#1196609
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A Collaborative Star Wars Saga Edit
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RogueLeader said:

That’s very cool! I have had two ideas on Dooku within the films. I always felt it would be interesting to have him be on the Jedi Council (preferably replace him with Yaddle), even if he doesn’t say anything.

Another idea was to still have him be a Sith Lord, but have him still use a blue or green lightsaber. The idea being that by posing as a rogue Jedi, he is hurting the Jedi’s reputation, and Palpatine could even argue that the Jedi were the one’s who set up the war in order to take control of the Republic. But that’s basically what already happened because I don’t think the public recognized him as a Sith Lord. I don’t even know if the public knows who the Sith are, so lightsaber color would be kind of arbitrary, and it would also make it unwatchable with the Clone Wars unless you edited them as well.

And thanks for the feedback guys, I’m glad you like it.

How about his lightsaber is a different color each film as he falls deeper into the Dark Side? In TPM, it’s green, in AotC, it’s yellow, and in RotS, it’s red. This would also avoid continuity issues with the CW, since you and I care about that.

As for putting him on the Council, that doesn’t really mesh with his background as a rebellious Jedi. After, he was Qui-Gon’s master, and Obi-Wan tells Qui-Gon that if he didn’t clash so much with the Council, he’d be on it. I’d imagine it was a similar situation with Dooku. Leaving the Order is the next logical step.

I am in favor of replacing Yaddle, though. I think Yoda should remain the only member of his species we ever see. It augments his mystery.

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#1195362
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Revenge of the Jedi (The Snooker edit)
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snooker said:

I also feel like the Rebel fleet scene I’ve been showing you is too… empty? I feel like it would be really upsetting to see that the Rebellion has only like 3 corvettes and Home One left. Perhaps I should take an idea from Rebels and have it be mentioned that the fleet we see in the movie is only one cell of the larger Rebel Alliance. This would also explain why Dodanna and Rieekan aren’t present in the movie- their cells are off doing other things. This also makes the ending of the light-hearted family action movie less depressing.

But isn’t the Battle of Endor supposed to be the big decisive battle? I feel like all Rebel cells should be present. In canon, they were all unified by the time of RO.

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#1195360
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A Collaborative Star Wars Saga Edit
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Imhotep said:

As Jar Jar has been brought up a bit, one way to add some nuance to the Gungans (without removing Jar Jar as I agree that this can’t be done, it would break the plot of both ep1 and ep2) could be to dub them with a fake alien language with subtitles when two Gunguns are talking to each other, like in the swamp scene or the final battle of ep1. This would imply that their poor use of English/Basic is because it’s a second language for them.

I’ve had that on my change list for a while.

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#1195004
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A Collaborative Star Wars Saga Edit
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Sir Ridley said:

I would not remove Death Star II. It’s iconic, it’s something that’s a big part of Star Wars, like it or not. I mean, it’s even the logo for this website.

Yes, I agree it’s more iconic than DS I due to its more interesting design, but I can easily think of it as DS I while still under construction.

As a general rule, I wouldn’t remove things people expect to see when they watch a certain Star Wars movie. That includes major characters, settings and plot points. Like, if it would be on the poster of the movie, leave it. Jar Jar, ewoks, DSII, Star Killer Base, etc.

You know I usually apply the same philosophy to my edits; I don’t change things that would cause major discrepancies with canon. I think a good rule of thumb is “Is it in Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga?” No one talks in that game, so you can get away with changing small informed plot points, but the rest is pretty clear. My edits should function as replacements to the originals, so you should be able to discuss the film having only seen the edits…to an extent. That said, I make exceptions for things I find just too monumentally stupid to include, continuity be damned. The only elements that are that bad are Leia being Luke’s sister (universe-shrinking) and additional Death Stars. Oh and I did remove Anakin building C-3PO, but I wouldn’t consider that nearly as big of a sin (even though in theory it should be as bad as Leia Skywalker). It’s just kinda pointless.

Anyway, back on topic, what I do with Starkiller Base is just make it a base. Not some superweapon, just a base. If they really wanted it to be a superweapon they should’ve at least stuck with the original name Doomstar, which reflects its status as a beefed up Death Star, rather than Starkiller Base, which is a questionably placed nod to Luke’s original last name, functionality be damned. Oh and sure, it does literally kill stars, but then again star destroyers don’t literally destroy stars. I guess the problem for me is that I can’t not see it as a last name, and naming the base after someone just feels weird. Okay, well, there goes another tangent. Anyway, I think DS II has to go. The Emperor is aboard the Eclipse; end of story. That said, it’s kinda funny how this unintentionally makes TLJ retroactively more similar to RotJ (Snoke was aboard the Supremacy).

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#1194493
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A Collaborative Star Wars Saga Edit
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RogueLeader said:

I really like your points Imhotep! I hadn’t really thought about if/how to tackle the incest vibes in the OT. Other thoughts on this would be appreciated.

About the two Death Stars: In the past I had considered having just one Death Star in the OT, and imply that they just heavily damaged it in ANH, only for them to destroy it for good in ROTJ. But I think it would be a little too radical. Maybe if you could set up the second Death Star in Empire Strikes Back somehow? Maybe see a less formed DSII from the Executor bridge in Vader’s first ESB scene? It definitely is a criticism though.

I prefer removing the second DS entirely, with the Emperor’s Throne Room aboard a big Star Destroyer of some kind.

Regarding Mace’s lightsaber, it’s a reasonable question. You definitely haven’t been the only one who has wanted to do that, like you said, jack had done it for AOTC, and I know Adywan was planning on changing it to either blue or green for his now-cancelled Revisited Prequels.

Another thought I had regarding saber colors, instead of changing Mace’s saber color, why not throw in one or two more purple sabers during the arena battle to show, while it is rare, it isn’t completely unique. Especially considering there are 10,000 Jedi and it would be really surprising if he were the only one with a purple lightsaber. I don’t think fans would have been as bothered by his saber if he wasn’t the only Jedi with a purple saber. And even if 1% of Jedi had purple lightsabers, that would still be 100 Jedi.

You could even throw in one or two yellow lightsabers as well (they’re in The Clone Wars so they’re even technically canon). I would even like to see blue and green sabers with slightly different hues, but I think that would be too much work for not much of a difference. And if one Jedi had a yellow lightsaber when they go to arrest the Chancellor, each Jedi would have a lightsaber of each Jedi color. Seems symbolic, like they represent the whole of the Jedi Order and their downfall or something. But you also have to ask if these kind of changes really “improve” the story or they’re just for fun. But at least adding one more purple lightsaber to the arena would be the least amount of work for the most influence on the story/world building in my opinion, without having to change what already exists.

It should either be all Jedi are blue, or Jedi are every color of the rainbow. Green and Blue is really awkward, and it’s made worse with the single instance of purple. I’d be okay with just “balanced” characters having green (Qui-Gon, Luke), but most Jedi should have blue.

It would’ve been cool to see Anakin with a red saber, I remember a lot of the ROTS marketing had him with a red one. Sparked my young imagination. I would be weary of having lightsaber change colors though, because if you do it in one situation it raises questions of why doesn’t this character’s lightsaber change color in this situation either. Though it would be cool to see though!

But why?

Regarding “Obi-Wan once thought as you do”, I would either want it to be changed to “your mother” (using his bible audiobooks is a good idea), or just cut the line entirely. The scene still works without the line. But with Padmé dying tragically, I think it would be a nice callback to her character, and help connect Luke’s motivation to her’s, which would help connect the trilogies. It’s been a commonly mentioned thing so it would be cool for someone to attempt it! Voice manipulation isn’t a bad idea either Zerome!

About the Clone army thing. It seemed like a lot of people were confused by Stormtroopers not being clones in the sequel trilogy, even though Stormtroopers in the OT weren’t clones either. BUT, I honestly don’t blame anyone who thought this was the case. If you just watch the movies, it is easy to assume that the clones in the prequels just evolve into the Stormtroopers of the originals, and you just attribute the different accent/heights/etc. to when they were filmed (I think George even felt the Stormtroopers were clones, since he threw in Jango bumping his head on the Slave 1 door as an Easter egg).

The only way you really know they aren’t for sure is by reading or watching material outside of the movies, which I kind of feel shouldn’t be necessary. I think clones being only used in the prequels is still valuable to those movies, because they were the secret weapon that helped eradicate the Jedi Order, leaving Vader to finish off the remaining few. To make it clearer that OT Stormtroopers aren’t clones, would it be blasphemous to add a one or two female Stormtrooper lines into the OT? I think that would be the simplest way to make it pretty clear that they aren’t clones.

That’s actually a brilliant way to subtly clarify that. Then again, I suppose some people might think they simply started growing clones from other templates.

Anakin Starkiller said:

My preference is making the conflict of the ST a proxy war with two groups within the Senate funding the Resistance and the First Order.

This is an interesting idea! I also had been thinking about the possibility of the Empire (or Imperial Remnant) and the First Order being two separate things. Maybe the Remnant is minding its own business when the First Order strikes, and they invade both the New Republic and offer the Remnant a chance to surrender.

I figured the Remnant would be reduced to the point of having no choice but to join the Republic or go into exile. The latter group became the First Order while the former became their backers. I guess your idea could work too, but how and why?

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#1194461
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Things that you would like to see in Star Wars that have not happened
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moviefreakedmind said:

I want to see a standalone movie where the imperial officers that survived the events of Return of the Jedi get tried and hung for war crimes.

At the very least, I’d like some kind of Disneyland attraction that revolves around that.

Because nothing screams “Disneyland” like a public execution! Can you imagine Mickey Mouse hanging out beside so nooses or guillotines?

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#1193908
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A Collaborative Star Wars Saga Edit
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Vader’s reference to Obi-Wan in ep6: where he says to Luke “Obi-Wan once thought as you do”, as in ep3 Padme tries to turn Anakin back from the dark side. Could simply cut the line?

The popular approach is changing it to "Padme once thought as you do.

The rebels didn’t accomplish anything (fix: merge the resistance and new republic… leia is commanding a regiment in the outer rim)

My preference is making the conflict of the ST a proxy war with two groups within the Senate funding the Resistance and the First Order.

Come to think of it, I wonder if something about it could come up in Canto Bight…

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#1193907
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A Collaborative Star Wars Saga Edit
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stickydixon said:

Very interesting idea. I’ve thought of this hypothetically before. This could be good, though potentially problematic when ideas clash, which I’d definitely see happening. But count me in nonetheless.

Either it’s the definitive version (which will inevitably vary from person to person), or it’s a radical transformation that makes a fun side thing. I can’t think of any other reason to make/follow an edit. I agree a community edit would be lots of fun to make, but we should aim for something more like the second type, where it’s not really meant to be the definitive version, but rather some weird novelty. We’ve already got the Ridiculous edits for comedy, so idk what we’d do for this. I guess we could revisit the idea of converting the movies into one continuous show. That’s something that’s obviously not meant to replace whatever is your go-to version of the saga, but gives us lots to do and plenty of wiggle room.

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#1193897
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Revenge of the Jedi (The Snooker edit)
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snooker said:

RogueLeader said:

Cool, making progress! I think the glow is a little intense on the larger ships though.

Also, could you possibly use a different Falcon model? It might just be me, but it looks a little brown compared to the other ships.

Yeah, the bigger glows do need to be toned down. The Falcon model I’ve got is brown but unfortunately it’s the highest detailed model of the falcon available (it’s from Battlefront II).

I’ll desaturate it or something in post.

A color correction would probably help.