Anakin Starkiller

Replacing Palpatine with Snoke is not only technically impossible with the footage we have but also ruins Kylo’s agency. When he kills Snoke in TLJ that’s a big moment for him. To have Snoke come back in the next movie and for Kylo to actually listen to anything he has to say feels like active regression.

Snoke being Vitiate is fine if that works for you but nobody in the general audience knows who that is so the movie ceases to be understanble without playing a video game first. Granted, you could explain who Vitiate is for it to work without existing knowledge, it’d be clunky and still wouldn’t accomplish anything. You’re basically placing pointless fanservice directly into the plot.

We have a small time jump of some years, and the last thing we see is the two of them standing before a class of students in the New Jedi Temple on Naboo, telling them about the adventures of Luke and Anakin Skywalker, and teaching them the importance of redemption.

Where exactly do you plan on pulling footage from for this?

The other stuff is both perfectly doable and relatively sensible so no problems there. I think the whole Anakin destroying Snoke thing is gonna feel a bit random in the moment, but I can see why if the Prophecy is important for you that’s arguably essential. Everything else is simply a matter of preference and doesn’t detract from the story.

That makes perfect sense poetically (blue vs. blue on red / red vs. red on blue) but zero sense narratively.

It’s weird how no one posted in this thread for two years, including narrowly missing the 60th anniversary.

Reforging the mask holds the same meaning as repairing the Skywalker saber. It’s about rebuilding oneself after having one’s worldview shattered.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

True, but with what footage we have available we’d still have to use Rey getting close to killing Palpatine for his essence transfer. Maybe in the hologram scene Palpatine could say that he’s sensed Kylo Ren’s death, which would explain why he’s suddenly okay with the essence transfer plan instead of hoping Ben follows Rey to Exegol. And then when Ben suddenly shows up he’s like: “Oh, I thought you were supposed to be dead. Too bad your coming together is gonna be your undoing.”

What I was saying was to drop the essence transfer entirely but keep Palpatine taunting Rey to kill him, with some additional context to indicate that killing him would make her some sort of dark empress. Not the most clearly thought out idea, I’ll admit.

I think the idea of revolving the whole plot around the Dyad makes way too much sense. Suddenly Palpatine has a clear plan that doesn’t involve Rey killing him and his spirit passing into her, Kylo has something to reveal to Rey in the hangar that isn’t her being a Palpatine, and presenting the Dyad as inherently part of the Dark Side (even if that turns out to be untrue) sets up a decent dilemma on whether or not Rey should kill Palpy to take his throne if it means turning to the Dark Side.

NeverarGreat said:

Another question that arises from this is how does this affect Ochi’s ship? Is this the same ship that carried her parents away from Jakku, and if so then how is it on Pasanna and not wrecked in the Jakku desert?

Just change Pasaana to Jakku. They look the same already so you’d just need to swap out a line or two. They barely ever refer to the planet by name so it should be trivial. It’d also bring the trilogy full circle.

I am so sick of my brother treating my lack of work ethic like it’s a choice. The only choice I’m making is between letting myself not have a mental breakdown and staring at a blank page for an hour until I do. I’m not saying I shouldn’t work or that there’s no room for improvement it’s incredibly insulting to act like all I have to do is snap my fingers and suddenly I can work harder. My brain doesn’t work that way.

And it’s not just him. My parents treat me as a retarded pity case for it.

Well, now I’ve missed that bus too. I guess I’m not going.

I couldn’t sleep again so I had to sleep in and miss my train. Of course once I’m ready to go it’s 5 'til the bus leaves and it takes 20 minutes to get there and there’s no other bus for 40 minutes after that so the end result of this is that I’m gonna miss 2/3 of my classes on literally the last day of class. I can’t even just skip and stay home because I didn’t plan ahead enough to have my photos of downtown done for the essay I need to write so I have go anyway. Oh and the bridge is closed except for one lane so my commute there might end up longer than my single class.

“Let’s remove one of the most memorable scenes in the movie and the only action setpiece for the first hour, shall we? That’ll really tighten the pacing.”

Welp, I just gotta banned from my university’s Game Dev Discord. They claim I was given multiple warnings but won’t actually post me them and never kept a visible tally for me so I have no clue what they’re talking about. Afaic this came out of nowhere.

Guys help me, I can’t take it anymore. I’m so sick of always getting banned from everywhere without trying. How do you avoid getting banned from Discord servers by accident?

Even when I try to sleep in to catch up on missing sleep I still wake up on time. This is hell.

I felt perfectly tired and ready to recoup some of my sleep (I felt severely under-rested today) or at least not be any more tired by going to bed just in time for a good 8 hours and of course the minute I get in bed I can’t sleep and now I’m wide awake. I think it’s because I got stressed over something momentarily when I initially laid in bed and that woke my brain up. It’s incredibly frustrating cuz I was tired and going to bed perfectly on schedule and now it’s all off. Guess I won’t be making my train tomorrow.

Speaking of which, let’s talk about that stupid train. I hate it so much. The schedule is such garbage that, were I following my train schedule instead of sleeping in, tomorrow I would be arriving at 9:15 and leaving at 3:10…only to attend a 45 minute weekly conference from 11:45 to 12:30. It’s hell. Well, actually it’s fine because I find value in the time spent downtown instead of cooped in my home, but the point is it should be a choice. The freight train companies who force the commuter line to follow such an erratic and frankly insane schedule should be taken out back in their freight yards and shot like the dogs they are.

As soon as the temperature drops below 5 degrees the train goes “let’s blow hot air at you continuously, that definitely won’t be thoroughly unpleasant”. They finally turned on the heating for the season so now I’m stuck with it all winter.

Whoever decided the tunnel leading to the the terminus should have speakers that alternate two songs on repeat endlessly should have a nap on the tracks. They aren’t even good songs. One’s a generic sports chant and the other’s a shitty early 10s style EDM remix of We Will Rock You. Actually, I think they play the normal version too so that’s three songs. Yippee.

And nothing puts fear into my heart quite like the ticket inspectors. They show up maybe once a month or so, usually the one day you fuck something and don’t have a valid pass on you. Happened to me a lot at first, but now I’ve got my act together so I can usually avoid it, but it’s still terrifying, as the fines increase every time and I haven’t heard of them dropping in recognition of years of presenting valid passes to compensate for initial mishaps.

God I hate this stupid fucking train. Thank god the REM’s coming.

Let’s be honest, TFA didn’t exactly set up the New Republic as geniuses.

G&G-Fan said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

Has anyone considered addressing Palpatine by name in the OT? It would spoil the twist of the PT for first time viewers, assuming they watch the movies in production order as they should, but it would help tie the films together more cohesively in a subtle way.

It’s not a twist for anyone who’s seen the OT.

It’s perfectly plausible that someone wouldn’t pick up on the fact that Darth Sidious / The Emperor from RotJ is the same person as Senator / Chancellor Palpatine, especially if they’re watching it as children which is the target demographic. I certainly never figured until the reveal when I was 5.

Has anyone considered addressing Palpatine by name in the OT? It would spoil the twist of the PT for first time viewers, assuming they watch the movies in production order as they should, but it would help tie the films together more cohesively in a subtle way.

Her parents’ ship never made it off the planet? I guess this calls for the old “child Rey electrocuted the ship” trick.

Personally, I’ve been pushing in the other direction to make Pasaana into a unique world, first by making the sky green, and hopefully down the line giving it a tropical beach look like Scarif. I have a decent but unpolished mockup of a beach where the Falcon lands.

Jakku being Tatooine is a must in my book. It makes sense thematically (it rhymes with the other trilogies by serving the same purpose Tatooine does in them) and it looks virtually identical.

That second idea might just be brilliant. A clever subversion of expectations.

The dreadnought destroying the capital has been my plan since…even before the dreadnought was a thing. I was pleased when TLJ came out that it gave me the dreadnought on a silver platter to off the senate with. I will say I’d never even considered Poe’s attack on the dreadnought being recontextualized as revenge but that makes perfect sense.

Yesterday I came across WhillsConsortium’s radical 3-in-1 and noticed they merged D’Qar and Ajan Kloss, declaring them both to be Yavin IV. Then I remembered I had my own idea kicking around to merge Starkiller Base and Kijimi. That’s when it hit me: if we do both those things, we can have consistent bases of operation for both sides throughout the entire trilogy.

Removing the superweapon angle is my preferred approach to Starkiller Base so at that point blowing it up is easily excised. It can simply be attacked, seriously damaged, but nonetheless usable for the next two films. Blowing up Kijimi, which would either no longer make much sense or could be recontextualized as the Sith Eternal asserting dominance over the First Order. Either way, it’s absolute trivial to remove, so it doesn’t really matter.

One minor issue is that neither base would appear in TLJ as it stands, since there’s no snow, grass, or jungle planet nor any permanent planetary base besides the abandoned one on Crait. While we’re on TLJ, it’s worth mentioning the space battle at the start of the movie would need to be recontextualized as no longer being the evacuation of D’Qar. This is once again absolutely trivial, since the only indication of such is a few shots at the start that could easily be removed.

Anyway, I think this would work well with my approach of making the ST about balance in contrast to the dominant light in the PT and dominant darkness in the OT. Everyone is on equal footing with their own permanent base. No more underdogs.

Idk if this would be a plus or minus, but I think Hal or someone else suggested adding a 3PO line from the radio drama where he refers to Ewoks by name. That may not be necessary though.

Got you covered.

This is something that would take new footage with fan-made costumes to pull off but I would love it if when Vader tries to see the Emperor against his command Vader has a short fight with some royal guards guarding the throne room. Vader approaches, they try to use their electro staffs but Vader force chokes and shoves them away. That gives the guards and Vader a bit more to do.

There’s already a deleted scene from RotJ that’s more or less what you’re describing without the fight.

Also throwaway line is genuinely hilarious considering it’s what causes Luke to almost turn to the dark side and kill Vader.

Things Vader could’ve also provoked Luke with:

• Insulting Obi-Wan

• Saying Luke failed Obi-Wan

• Threatening him with his friends dying

• Anything else

“No, there is another.”

Fair enough, I didn’t account for that, but that doesn’t invalidate my argument. All this does is set up the idea that there is some other hope. RotJ pulls out of nowhere the fact that:

• It’s Luke sister

• Leia is that sister

Nowhere had any of this been alluded to.

Bail Organa and Obi-Wan know each other, Obi-Wan trusted Bail with Anakin’s daughter, Bail trusted his daughter to find Obi-Wan leading her to Luke.

That does nothing to explain how against all odds she just so happens to be captured by her biological father, and just so happens to be promptly rescued by her biological brother, who just so happens to be accompanied by her robot half-brother…okay, that last one’s TPM’s fault, but you get my point. It makes the Galaxy Far Far Away feel like the size of a city.

So you admit there’s nobody else it could be?

I disagree with the premise that there needed to be a sister in the first place. Anakin would’ve made perfect sense as the “other” Yoda refers to. But if we needed a sister, I would’ve rather they introduce a new character by establishing Luke has a sister and having him specifically seek her out. Heck, having the sister mentioned but never appear would retroactively be justified in making for a perfect Sequel Trilogy hook where he sets out to find her.

He didn’t seek her out at all. He asked Kylo to kill her.

Killing her still means tracking her down. The point is he sent someone after her because he full well they were related.

You’d think that would be easy to come by.

it makes me think that you like shipped Luke and Leia in the first two or something

I did not. I can’t bring myself to give a damn about any Star Wars romance beside Ben and Rey.

It doesn’t go nowhere, it’s used by Vader to taunt Luke.

Woohoo, a five second throwaway line that could’ve been replaced with a dozen other things.

My objections to Leia being a Skywalker are as follows:

• It comes out of nowhere

• It goes nowhere

• It feels contrived that the secret sibling is someone Luke already knows

Having Luke’s sister just so happen to be the only other woman he’s spent the three films with is contrived to the point of ruining my immersion. At that point I’m ready for Han to introduce himself as Uncle Skywalker. Say what you will about Rey being a Palpatine (I won’t pretend that isn’t stupid as well) but her grandparent only comes in at the end specifically looking for his granddaughter; he didn’t just bump into her at a bar.

I literally can’t think of any benefit to leaving this familial link in besides Ben having Vader’s bloodline, which is a sacrifice I’m willing to make. Doesn’t take blood to be a fanboy.

I miss my ex’s voice. 😭 It was so sweet, like a soft an fluffy pillow. And the accent switching was so much fun. She’s the only woman who’s ever loved me and I never even got to kiss her because she lived so far.