Anakin Starkiller

thebluefrog said:

You are probably right, there’s just not enough material. Perhaps a much much smaller project could utilize the footage. Like, say, a 10 minute short about Qui-Gon’s training.

Example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27M5KWI_q50

I’m sure some of that footage could be edited and redubbed as young Qui-Gon’s early Jedi days or something.

Nah, it looks too distinctly non-SW. There’s candles, renaissance wigs all sorts of stuff like that.

I have an idea for a source of footage that could be used to great advantage: Saruman from Lord of the Rings as Count Dooku. At some point before the Clone Wars break out, Jedi Master Dooku Serenno (the planet he is Count of) for longer than usual. The Council sends master Gandalf to find out what he’s up to, and discover he has allied with the dark lord Sauron Darth Sidious. They have a Force-off, and Gandalf loses. Seeing as he would suddenly disappear from the plot if the Eagles save him, best to leave Gandalf dead at Dooku’s hands. And that crystal ball he uses is totally the Gungan’s plasma sphere from the end of TPM. I’m not sure what it’s power should be, but it should have some significance.

In case it somehow hadn’t come to mind, we ought to integrate the fanfilm Darth Maul: Apprentice. It’s around 20 minutes, but I suggest we trim it to avoid feeling like filler (it’s just one long fight scene) and use it to show Darth Maul doing other things before TPM. Not too sure how we could tie it into the plot.

As someone who hasn’t seen Blade Runner, I’m guessing there must be some stuff we can use in there. It’s probably not much, though. Maybe there’s enough between it and its recent sequel to show a bit of what Han’s up to between RotJ and TFA.

HerekittykittyX said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

In an ideal world, the footage of Rebels and other cartoons could be used, but the change in style is simply too jarring to pull that off. Same with most Video games, which is sad that it is too different to use.

I’d say EA’s Battlefront is close enough, so long as you don’t see any faces. Then again, the same could be said about CG Tarkin. If Tarkin is passable, maybe we just ignore the same slight offness in the Battlefront faces and use footage from that. It would provide at least 2 hours worth of content to fill the otherwise jarring gap between RotJ and TFA.

Clone wars arcs???

The visuals need to remain roughly the same throughout. We can’t use the stylized CW (either version), Rebels, or Forces of Destiny (bet you forgot that was a thing), but we can use the photorealistic CG cinematics of EA Battlefront 2, and, as you brilliantly suggest, the OR trailers. I would try to avoid time skips though. Part of what makes this project interesting is that it would theoretically flow seemlessly from TPM or earlier up to Episode IX, without any significant time skips. Not exactly sure what parts of the OR trailers would be really usable, though.

Any trilogy is its own thing
The Original Trilogy and the Prequels are really different, both visually and storywise (and yet, at the end of ROTS the two trilogies appears to be wonderfully tied). The sequels are just a copy-paste of the OT: their design are too similar the OT ones and, so much worse, the story it’s almost a rip off of the episodes IV to VI.
What should be done: totally rethink and rework the movies, even mixing them, to make the best out of the shot and try to tell a new story.

I don’t see much we can do about this, unfortunately. Of course we can remove the egrigious third Death Star, reducing Starkiller Base to just that: a base. Tbf, the Resistance doesn’t reuse any designs except the X-Wing and Mon Cal cruiser (supposedly they have A-wings, but I certainly didn’t see them). I would like to add cacti to Jakku and maybe water to make it more distinct from Tatooine.

The rebels won the war
They won. Period. We can’t accept to see that nothing changed. That the OT characters and their efforts lead to NOTHING at all. We can’t be satisfied with just a line in the TFA’s crawl saying that “the sinister FIRST ORDER has risen from the ashes of the Empire” to make us watch the same Empire Vs Rebellion story we already saw. I, personally, find depressing seeing the New Republic been destroyed in ten seconds, compared with the great ad “historically accurate” Palpatine’s rise to power we see in the prequels.
What should be done: contextualize the First Order as the reorganised Imperial remnant, a second grade power in a galaxy changed since the OT.

I really think it should’ve been a proxy war, either between the Republic and the Empire, or the populist and centrist parties of the Republic. The First Order and the Resistance should be on even ground. No more underdog stuff.

What should be done: Make Hosnian into Coruscant. Make it been bombed (but not destroyed) by Snoke’s ship a dreadnought as the first act of war. Make Leia be a representative for the Republic in a mission to seek help to other nation against the FO treat. Make Luke the Master of a new generation by imply that there are other Jedi out there or by shooting new scene with new Jedi.

FTFY

Legacy characters need to be respected
Han and Leia are back to their OT selves. Luke is a depressed asshole. No way.
What should be done: make Leia a Republic representative. Give Han some purpose, some background, whatever. Make Luke a believable evolution of his young self: he can be depressed for what happened with Kylo but he can’t be beat. And make is new generation of Jedi a reality. We already seen “the last Jedi in exile” (Ben and Yoda), let’s see something new.

I think Leia’s character progression would be fine if we saw it onscreen. She tried to warn the Senate that the First Order was a legitimate threat but they thought that was ludicrous and labelled her as a warmonger, hence having to resort to forming the Resistance. Han’s character can be fixed extremely easily by making him a Resistance general who does smuggling on the side, and was sent to find out what happened to Poe. If you remove the Rathtar scene like so many seem to, you could even make him a fulltime general with no smuggling. I don’t see any problem with what happened to Luke’s character, and while I do agree it sucks to be back to the “last Jedi” status quo, there’s not much we can do about it.

Inconsistencies with the depicting of the Force
No one can use the Force without training. Nor even Anakin could.

Luke had no problem lifting his lightsaber from the snow in ESB. I agree that performing a mind trick is on a whole other level, and thus should be cut, but that’s about it.

In an ideal world, the footage of Rebels and other cartoons could be used, but the change in style is simply too jarring to pull that off. Same with most Video games, which is sad that it is too different to use.

I’d say EA’s Battlefront is close enough, so long as you don’t see any faces. Then again, the same could be said about CG Tarkin. If Tarkin is passable, maybe we just ignore the same slight offness in the Battlefront faces and use footage from that. It would provide at least 2 hours worth of content to fill the otherwise jarring gap between RotJ and TFA.

thebluefrog said:

There’s several sci-fi/fantasy movies with the SW cast members that have them in scenarios that could be edited slightly to fit an anthology storyline.

Jon Boyega is in Pacific Rim 2.
Natalie Portman is in Annihilation.
Liam Neeson is in several fantasy films pre-Phantom Menace.
Harrison Ford is in Blade Runner, Cowboys and Aliens, Ender’s Game
Voiceovers by Mark Hamill in cartoons.
Daisy Ridley’s voiceover work in The Eagle Huntress
Plus more examples that I’ll be looking for over time, including video game cutscenes and voice acting.

All of these examples would have to be heavily trimmed, possibly even using foreign dubs and subtitles, but I think it’s possible to fit them into Star Wars.

In fact I think it would be a good idea for the fanedit community as a whole to have a list of potential OTHER movies that some lines of dialogue and shots could be plausibly used.

That’s great and all, but that’s not gonna be enough to create entire new episodes. If it were that easy, I would’ve made new Eighth Doctor adventures long ago.

ray_afraid said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

Three parts of one poster?

Indeed. Still doesn’t excuse mismatching the characters, but would you rather they put RotS Palpatine on the poster for TESB?, because that’s the one that’s in the film.

That version has the original Emperor.
And, Yes, I’d certainly prefer that one be on the cover. Because that’s the one in the film.

Oh yeah I forgot this version predates the Prequels.

Three parts of one poster?

Indeed. Still doesn’t excuse mismatching the characters, but would you rather they put RotS Palpatine on the poster for TESB?, because that’s the one that’s in the film.

crissrudd4554 said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

chyron8472 said:

When I talk to my 14yo nephew about the Star Wars movies, he’s not really that big a fan and has a hard time remembering which Episode number goes by which subtitle. At one point, he asked me why I don’t just call them by their episode numbers, and I said that it wasn’t until the prequels came out that their numbers even were on the box or that Star Wars was marketed as A New Hope.

Then I showed him images of OT posters and VHS boxes to prove my point.

God those were awful posters.

It shows consistency between movies, which I’ve learned on OT.com is generally tossed out the window in favor of nostalgia (just look at the topic of this thread).

If you have a gripe with people who are nostalgic for the films they are trying desperately to preserve, why are you here??

For the fanedits. Where else is there a thriving fanedit community, let alone a SW-centric one?

Yeesh that’s dark. I noticed that you didn’t redub JAr Jar, but he sound a little different. Did you make his voice deeper or something? Why? Also, it’s pretty jarring when Qui-Gon says an entire line of dialog offscreen at the end. If you want that to work, you need to at least let us see him say the end of the sentence.

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

StrafeSawdoffe said:

The movie should have its own name to distinguish itself from the franchise as a whole.

It does…

Star Wars’ sequel is The Empire Strikes Back whose sequel is Return of the Jedi etc.

You screwed your quote. It’s me who said that, not Strafe. TBF, I’m struggling here too to quote within a quote. What’s up with Markdown today?

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

chyron8472 said:

When I talk to my 14yo nephew about the Star Wars movies, he’s not really that big a fan and has a hard time remembering which Episode number goes by which subtitle. At one point, he asked me why I don’t just call them by their episode numbers, and I said that it wasn’t until the prequels came out that their numbers even were on the box or that Star Wars was marketed as A New Hope.

Then I showed him images of OT posters and VHS boxes to prove my point.

God those were awful posters.

They’re my favorites. I love the way they all connect with stars coming out from the middle, and not repeating the same characters (though I wouldn’t’ve shoved all the protagonists into ANH’s poster, as it leaves it little for the others; Chewbacca and Jabba? That’s all we’ve got for 6?). I’m using it as the inspiration for my custom covers, using roughly (though not exactly) the same style. It shows consistency between movies, which I’ve learned on OT.com is generally tossed out the window in favor of nostalgia (just look at the topic of this thread). The original posters are not the greatest. The first one has our protagonists idealized (buff Luke, sexy Leia) in a way that seems totally at odds with the film itself. The ESB poster, is okay, I have no major gripes with it, but it could use more Lando. The RotJ poster really should’ve used a different shot of Luke. The one picked just looks…odd.

It’s not your fault there were sequels.

snooker said:

I’m a little upset that now I have to specify which ‘Jedi’ movie I’m referring to now.

Although I’ve always been against shortening the titles (if they’re too long, the episode numbers certainly aren’t; you can say 6 instead of Jedi), but I’m still annoyed they reused a noun in a SW title. It feels wrong somehow.

StrafeSawdoffe said:

To casual/non fans, I’ve found myself saying “The Original Star Wars” to differentiate the film from the franchise. It always sounded weird to call it “A New Hope,” even though the crawl seems incomplete to me without it (probably since it was already added when I first saw it as a child).

To me it sounds weird to call it “Star Wars”. The movie should have its own name to distinguish itself from the franchise as a whole.

nickyd47 said:

How I refer to the films
A New Hope
The Empire Strikes Back
Return of The Jedi
The Phantom Menace
Attack of The Clones
Revenge of The Sith
The Force Awakens
Rogue One
The Last Jedi

FTFM

Even though I know what in means when someone says it, that doesn’t mean I don’t find it really annoying. When someone calls the first movie SW, it makes them look like someone stubbornly stuck in the past who is against any and all change, regardless if it’s an improvement. It sounds as stupid as arguing that the shift from black and white to color was a bad idea. A post on Jedi Council Forums says it best in that it should be called A New Hope for the same reason we call it World War 1 and not the Great War as it was originally known.

AveKender said:

The One with Alec Guinness
The One with the Snow Walkers
The One with the Teddy Bears

The One with Boring Scenes
The Other One with Boring Scenes
The One with Four-Sabers Guy

The One with Another F**king Death Star
The One with Creepy CG Tarkin
The One with the Porgs

Actually, TFA should be the one with yet another Death Star. Can’t believe people let it slide in RotJ but not TFA.

red5-626 said:

I tend to call it A New Hope. Or Ep4 or ANH I never saw it in 77. sorry was not born yet.
I know, lame excuse but it was my parents fault. 😉
I tried just calling it Star Wars at one time but I had some one say. “witch one?”
I say the first one. And they say do you mean Ep1 or E4?
So I save time on witch one. That way if I have to explain why E4 is the first and EPs 1 2 3 were made after Eps 4 5 6 I won’t be so out of breath.

See this is exactly why I’m in favor of calling it ANH. Calling it SW is just plain confusing.

Remember, there’s no time limit to this project. If you’d rather put it on hold for now, that’s up to you, and you can always come back to it later. One alternative is to simply work on it regularly, but infrequently.

MalàStrana said:

ysamjo said:

we got the exploding Alderaan, but we don’t care about anybody on that planet bc we don’t know them

It would be possible to add a shot of Bail Organa watching the destruction of his home planet (maybe using a shot from the end of Episode II with alterations to make him look like in Rogue One).

Revisited already did that (with Jar Jar alongside him). No idea how, though.

ray_afraid said:

Oh, I’d love that!
Actually I’d like to see twin films- one for the Empire, one for the Rebellion.

Yes. Two films that show the same events from different perspectives.

Also, from what I’ve heard, Tales of the Jedi sounds like a better idea of what the Galaxy was like long ago than KotOR or SWToR, but I haven’t played or read any of these things, so take this with a grain of salt. I just feel like technology should be much less advanced in that era; battery pack lightsabers, hyperdrives only on capital ships, etc…

I might tweak the (On Hold) in the title, though. Thank you guys for genuinely caring about my work!

You have the single most promising and impressive edit on the site. Don’t give up.

I think Chyron has the right idea. So long as the movie isn’t Holiday Special level bad, there’s something that can be salvaged.

So long as you’re not too busy, I don’t see why you would want to stop. Your edit may be ambitious, but so far, it’s delivered spectacularly well. I can’t force you to change your mind, though. At any rate, it’s been a blast seeing all your work. Hope to see you 'round.

liamnotneeson said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

liamnotneeson said:

Also, one last thing. I like the recoloring in the “Fatherly Ties” scene, but BOY OH BOY, that dialogue, “Betting on races.” I’ts objectively worse than anything else said in the prequels. Yeah the virgin birth in the PT wasn’t handled well, but this is not how it should be fixed

I don’t want to be a dick, I think it’s just a really dumb sequence of dialogue

That’s not the word “objectively” should be used for. Your opinion is not a fact.

Besides, “Love won’t save you; only my new powers can do that.” is by far the worst thing said in any movie, not even just SW.

I say it somewhat facetiously, but it’s awful dialogue. What you listed was just a dumb stand-alone line said. This is supposed to be an answer to a question asking for a person, but answers with a dependent clause

And did you just imply that your statement is fact? 🤔

No, although I suppose you could interpret it as the same sort of facetious claim it is as your statement.