Anakin Starkiller

What’d he do?

I honestly don’t think Holdo felt shoehorned in the slightest.

You guys are both half right. Giving a flat character a series to develop can indeed fix them; it just won’t fix the original film. The Clone Wars is amazing, and Anakin is great in it, but he sucks in the Prequels. Doesn’t mean TCW wasn’t a worthwhile endeavor.

When I saw Solo, Rebels, and Ewoks at the bottom with a gap after them, I assumed that was the bottom of the list, but no, you actually consider all of those things five star and better than the Prequels and even The Clone Wars. Do you just have some fundamental issue with that era? Even still, it doesn’t explain the high rankings for the three pieces of garbage I mentioned at the start. And even after putting Ewoks at five stars you put droids only at two? I mean, I haven’t seen either, but I would assume the quality would be roughly equal.

Tbf, fangirls can make any direction look like garbage.

But yeah, I honestly don’t see Lucasfilm going there. It doesn’t seem like the direction they’re headed in.

Instead of summarizing the whole plots of both films, you could just said which parts you’d moved around.

I believe Luke being a disillusioned hermit came from Lucas.

SilverWook said:

It’s hard to rage on social media about multiple people with no instant name recognition with most fans. 😉

Or they could, you know, rage at the Story Group.

Regardless, the real reason people don’t see as one vision is because TLJ seems to go against everything TFA values.

I’ve been saying this since the first game came out!

nl0428 said:

OutboundFlight said:

No way. JJ is an OT fanboy. He’s gonna use Lando as much as possible, as well as force ghost Yoda and Luke. But not Hayden (which would be a great way to at least create somewhat of a unification between George’s saga and the Disney saga).

Just because J.J. Abrams is not a fan of the prequels, it doesn’t mean that he can’t use elements from them in a good way. There were some bad elements about the prequels, but there were also some good elements. It’s mainly the way the films turned out in the end which was disappointing. I don’t blame Hayden Christensen for his poor performance, I mainly lay the blame on George Lucas. He was the director, and the director is supposed to get the best performance out of their actors (something that George has struggled with when he is directing a film). J.J. Abrams, and yes, even Rian Johnson, are able to do that job well.

We’re not debating the merits of the Prequels. We’re talking about JJ’s perspective on them, which appears to be negative enough to warrant ignoring them practically entirely.

As for the reconstruction stuff, while it’s annoying to see JJ keep this game of directors’ ping pong going, it’d be neat if the reconstruction of the object symbolized the reconstruction of the tropes their destruction symbolized the deconstruction of in TLJ.

And knowing JJ, there’s a very good chance that’s happening.

Are we talking about the same JJ?

Dooku looks way to sharp in relation to the background in that close-up, but other than that, good work.

I think that’d be a little for such a reveal.

Well we do have footage of Ezra meeting the rest of the crew, so introducing him later might be possible.

I personally think Rebels has a lot more potential than TCW because that show is pretty much all over the place. TCW has the benefit of somewhat self-contained arcs to make “movies” out of, but the episodes that make up those arcs still feel episodic when mashed together (often jumping from one character to another). Rebels has a much more consistent progression for the characters and the story, so you could easily just trim down the fat and have a fine streamlined version of the series.

That’s an excellent point.

What if we made Ezra into Bodhi from Rogue One? Okay, that’s kinda dumb. But what isn’t dumb is making Draven from Rogue One into Kallus. Hell, you don’t even need to change anything beyond Rogue One’s credits (unless he’s referred to by name at some point). It’d be one more connection to make this story feel relevant. Oh, oh what if Ezra was Wedge Antilles?!! I’ll see myself out…

I think the story should start with the Ghost crew already part of the larger rebellion, as it would allow shifting the focus away from Ezra, and to a lesser extent the crew as a whole. I think Hera ought to be the primary focus, alongside Kanan and Sabine. Zeb would also be pushed into the background, although less out of hate and more out him not being relevant, although this might hurt Kallus’s arc. I think The Siege of Lothal would be a nice place to start.

Ezra’s role would be reduced as much as possible. I wonder if it would be possible to even cut out him being a Jedi entirely (and the inquisitors while we’re at it). It’d be strange for a teenage Jedi to have a small background role. Still, if he’s not a Jedi, the question becomes what to do with Maul. Would their relationship still work without the Force? Since his role would be so reduced, and the plot of his missing parents cut, maybe he could just be Kanan and Hera’s (adopted) son? It would be a convenient way to explain why he’s around without having to do much. Hell, since he’s adopted anyways (there’s no way that thing in the finale is part twilek), it wouldn’t really be changing the story at all. He’d just have been adopted at a younger age.

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TBF, there is merit to making Jakku Tatooine, as it’s kinda jarring both thematically and visually that it isn’t.

I’d heard the Wizard of Oz Snoke theory/idea, but not with the Palpatine bit.

I’ll need time to think about whether this idea gives Palpatine the proper presence I want or not. Regardless, I think I prefer the spirit idea.

Yeah, I was considering that. The thing is I want to stay true to Lucas’s idea that Sith can’t become full Force ghosts, which makes for elegant irony. That said, TCW showed us the ghost of Darth Bane, proving that Sith can be become ghosts to an extent, they are simply bound to an object.

Also, Palpatine being a spirit would nicely mirror Yoda being a ghost, as I tend to view them as counterparts.

So yeah, I might go through with having Palpatine possess Snoke, but definitely not Kylo. That reminds me I saw a video once that proposed Snoke coming back in IX and being defeated for good by the combined power of all the Force ghosts. That’d be a cool way to end the saga, I think.

Here’s an idea: change Solo: A Star Wars Story into Kessel Run: A Star Wars Story. Now, I know that’s been discussed here before, but my idea is that that title would reflect a change in the film’s overall focus, from being the biography of Han Solo to a heist film featuring Han Solo, like I both wanted and expected. This would require some serious restructuring, though, so I’m not sure how possible it would be. Remove the Corellia scenes, or repurpose them for later in the plot. Q’ira is now just some woman Han meets at Vos’s place. Start with Han at the academy, including that deleted scene. Even then, the film would still be just as boring. I just don’t think this film is salvageable.

Am I the only who feels like it isn’t really Star Wars without Palpatine pulling the strings? The thing is I can’t think of any way of bringing him back that doesn’t cheapen Vader’s redemption. The best I can think of is Palpatine survives the fall (he IS a Sith Lord, so I think it’s totally plausible), but is seriously injured, meaning Vader’s sacrifice still had an impact, causing Palpatine to remain in the Shadows for 30 years. Still, you can see how it devalues that moment in RotJ. The thing is, with Palpatine gone, everything else feels super post-script. Now that’s fine if you really want to tell a brand new unconnected story, but clearly they don’t. Besides, with both Palpatine and Snoke out of the picture, the trilogy just lacks any threatening villain at all.

I don’t think it’s worth making separate threads.

The test clip looks good, but I would add a tad more grain to Coruscant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryorxnoVWxQ

Relevant

I’ve decided long ago against one Death Star for the whole trilogy, because of how central the attack run is in ANH, versus the one in RotJ that’s so sidelined it’s given to Lando. Lando can just be in some generic space battle but Luke has to destroy the Death Star. Sure, he could simply damage it, but that wouldn’t be nearly as satisfying. I suggest giving Coruscant a Rogue One style planetary shield and having Han’s team deactivate it from Endor so Lando’s team can storm the capital by ship.