Alderaan

Attack of Snoke

moviefreakedmind said:

The behind the scenes footage from TPM showed footage that made it seem clear that Lucas chose Jake Lloyd over other, much better child actors. How Jake Lloyd even made it to the final auditions might have been the fault of the casting director though.

IIRC from a Lucas interview, he had seen Jake Lloyd in something else on TV before casting.

Probably what this means is that Lucas had already made up his mind, so the casting director just did as he was told.

Lord Haseo said:

I’ve seen people call Luke a Mary Sue…I have seen people say that Vader was a shitty villain in STAR WARS among other ridiculous claims.

You should spend less time on TFN.

It’s probably going to be called The Knights of Ren fwiw

Everyone knows there was no Death Star in Empire.

They are saving Starkiller 2 for Episode IX.

Star Wars Episode VIII: THE FORCE IS STILL AWAKE

There is enough baiting already.

Unlike your posts which are almost always directed personally at other members, I was simply replying to the discussion with my point of view. Maybe your time and energy would be better spent doing something else besides policing every thread on OT.com in an attempt to rebut every anti-Disney/anti-LFL post. At the very least, you would be less agitated.

You’re on the record (in more ways than one) as a quantity over quality guy.

What.

You just said in your last post, the more the better. If they suck, who cares, and if they are good, well then that’s a bonus. You fully endorsed the “throw as much **** at the wall” and hope something sticks approach.

Are you rustled?

You’re on the record (in more ways than one) as a quantity over quality guy. Are you sure you didn’t like the prequels at all?

They haven’t made a good Star Wars movie in over 30 years. 0/5 and re-using the same **** over and over again might be a good indication the tank is running on E yo.

moviefreakedmind said:

All three of the Star Wars movies were very much George Lucas films. He nearly went bankrupt trying to get Empire made. The idea that he had little to nothing to do with the creation of Empire is inaccurate. He didn’t have complete creative control on the first two, but he was definitely the driving force.

George Lucas contributed his part and that’s what he was good at. Not more. Anyone who thinks he actually had a clue what was going on in that movie, well just look at the '97 Special Edition release. He changed it to make Luke scream when he jumped ffs. The man didn’t even have a basic understanding of the story.

As Carrie Fisher said in an interview once, the actors and the story often just got in the way for George, who wanted to focus all of the attention on the creatures and robots he made up.

Yes, my posts were very much on topic, since we were talking about another dead CGI character not even being necessary in Rogue One, but Disney conjured him up anyway.

If there is any chance they will try and do more CGI Carrie after she’s passed, particularly since they still haven’t given us the OOT in 5 years, then you’re dang right I will talk **** about Disney and their terrible films.

That’s your prerogative.

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

You don’t think it would have been weird for the commander of the Death Star in SW not to be present in this movie, which ends right before SW?

The story was about stealing the Death Star plans. It didn’t have to have Tarkin or the Death Star in it.

The only thing that had to be in the plot was the rebels stealing the technical readouts of the battle station. Now, if you are going to write a story about that, how would you envision the rebels doing such a thing? Where would they even find the technical blueprints for the battle station? What kind of security would they have to bypass? How would they even discover where this place is? I think these are the kinds of things one needs to consider when they sit down and write a story.

It would be very plausible that the plans would be located at a research and development facility. Most probably, that would be the research and development facility where they actually did research and developed the design for the Death Star. Then, the rebels would have to find out about this place from their spies. And they would have to infiltrate it or attack the base and steal the plans and get out of dodge. That would be the plot of the story.

None of that requires the actual Death Star being in the movie. It doesn’t require 10 different star systems and a research base where Galen dies and another place where they store the records. It doesn’t require a THX style data gripfinder just because well, that would be cool to put it in the movie because we saw it in some other movie before.

This is all fanservice schmuck. The kind of stuff people put in movies so they can wink at each other and feel smart and better about themselves, and the people watching the movie can think about how they saw the same thing in other movies and feel smart and better about themselves.

And it sucks.

Anchorhead said:
Cushing; They either had to recreate Tarkin, CGI or otherwise, or have a strange a absense in the current film & story.

Tarkin was totally unnecessary fanservice in the film.

There were many instances in the OT where he was told he couldn’t do something, they didn’t have a way to shoot it or it just wasn’t practical or they didn’t have the money or whatever. Marcia and Gary and others definitely checked some of his whacky ideas, doctored his scripts, etc. Gary and Kersh were pretty much in charge of Empire while Lucas panicked about losing his money.

Of course, George Lucas played an enormous role in creating and bringing Star Wars to life, and he deserves credit for all of that. But all people, including those of us who criticize him, have our strengths and weaknesses. I think his weaknesses were restrained and covered up by others, but you do see them pop up throughout Return of the Jedi. Cutting corners with cheap production values, burping and excrement humor, pandering to children, breaking the fourth wall. It’s all there in Jedi, once in awhile between other really terrific scenes.

Then there are the prequels where that stuff just makes up the whole movie, when people aren’t sitting around or standing and talking at least. The wild shifts in tone and inappropriate humor, if you can call it that. People don’t develop those traits as they get older. You don’t go from making realistic sound films to suddenly deciding its fun to have CGI characters stepping in **** or cut from a scene with kids being murdered or burned out skeletons to slapstick comedy sequences with robots smacking each other. A grown adult just doesn’t do those things, and so it’s clear to me at least that George Lucas has the mind of a child and always had the mind of a child.

In some ways, that was a strength and made him and his films successful. In other ways it was a negative, and is what made the prequels and special editions unmitigated failures.

[Haarspalter said:]
If you want to find out what George Lucas was thinking when he made the PT

He was thinking the same things he was thinking when he made the OT if you ask me. But there were no longer any constraints or people to reign him in.

I think if George could have, he would have made the originals exactly like he made the prequels.

Admiral Piett told him the Millenium Falcon entered an asteroid field and they couldn’t pursue it for obvious reasons. Vader told him to **** off and get the ship, whatever the cost. The Imperial Fleet then moved into the asteroid field and suffered heavy losses, as was stated by one captain. A Star Destroyer was even destroyed on screen (the captain’s hologram disappeared as he died). Who knows how many other ships were taken out in the pursuit.

Besides a little bit of black comedy, the point was that Vader was willing to go to any lengths to capture and torture Luke’s friends, even if it meant wiping out his own fleet.

JawsTDS said:

Another note: I know the ending with Vader hacking the Rebels was literal ‘Star Wars porn’, but it was that moment that really helped elevate the character of Darth Vader for me. We always knew Vader was a bad guy, but we never truly saw at his full potential. The prequels showed us a “saddened, frustrated Vader” whereas the original trilogy showed us the “powerful Lord Vader” without getting too violent and too far gone into his backstory.

He murdered a bunch of guys. He cut off his son’s hand. He tortured people. He massacred thousands of his own men in the asteroid field. He strangled a man and broke his neck on screen with his bare hands. That’s not even considering his complicity in wiping out a planet full of potentially billions of people.

“Not violent” must have a different meaning to you than it does to me.

Despite all that, I kind of liked the scene, but like a Seth McFarlane joke, it seemed to drag on way too long in my opinion. Regardless, I don’t feel like it added anything to Vader’s character. In fact the castle scenes were painful to watch.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Nope. I wouldn’t expect any TPM+ Sith to show depth or nuance.

The made-for-kids cartoon character Maul wasn’t your thing eh?

TV’s Frink said:

Alderaan said:

Disney hasn’t done a single thing right in 5 years.

Oops.

I think you have some serious issues Fink. Disney puts out a statement like that about Carrie’s death and your only response is to continue to argue with other posters. Maybe one of the moderators should have a discussion with you about your posting behavior on OT.com

And yes, I agree with Tyrph. That was nice of Lucasfilm to say.

We’ll see if it was merely a strategically timed statement, or if they actually stand by their word.

Would you like to discuss the film or the content of the post?

Or do you want to keep up the troll act?

I saw Passengers last night. I know some professional writers who thought it was an absolute abortion. I didn’t feel that strongly negative about it, but it wasn’t a good movie either.

Promising but gutless–that would be my grade.

ATMachine said:

It will happen, because it already has happened.

Hey hey hey…we have a winner!

Would you be for or against it? Discuss…