This user has been banned.
Well, wish and hope if you want. I’m not going to begrudge you that. But maybe busting Disney’s balls a little after 5 freaking years, especially the way Lucas was criticized, might be a little more productive than everyone just shrugging their shoulders and closing their eyes.
Pablo Hidalgo isn’t in the know about every facet of Lucasfilm.
Even so, do you think he would make up Gareth Edwards’s 4k being the SE?
At the least, this means that the Gareth Edwards and RLM tangents are non-starters as far as this topic goes. They are the Special Edition versions. Any idea that an imminent announcement is just around the corner at Celebration or at worst next year or the year after or … well, that’s quite obviously just wishing and hoping at this point.
Your insistence that it won’t happen won’t be enough to end speculation Im afraid.
That is probably true.
There is no 4k scan of the OOT, and none is being worked on right now.
Also I want to point out something that was posted on Home Theater Forum:
Apparently, Pablo Hidalgo posted on twitter that the 4k print of Star Wars seen by Gareth Edwards was in fact…
…the Special Edition.
If you think the figurative death of a child and what that does to a couple is analogous (at least, from a drama standpoint) to what they had for breakfast, then yeah I can see why you wouldn’t like TFA.
I already explained that this subplot is not intrinsic to the rest of the movie. It is just melodrama thrown in to justify Han and Leia’s screen time for old-time’s sake.
If you want to make a film about 70 year old Han and 60 year old Leia and how they figuratively lost their son, then OK do that. But it would be a very different movie than TFA or any other Star Wars movie I have ever seen. Otherwise, they just needed to be kept in the background and played supporting roles that passed the story onto the next generation.
The fundamental problems with the PT lie within their scripts…they’re broken on essentially every level. Hand a blind squirrel a camera and as long as the scripts are solid you would end up with a better PT than what we got.
Actually, I think it’s even more basic than that. Underneath the script there is “the story”. The script is the execution of the story. But in the PT case, the fundamental story is the problem. I think George’s vision of Star Wars is very different than what we got in the Original Trilogy, and I think he harbors a lot of animosity because of it. He considers it his story, his universe, but all of these other ideas and conceits from Kersh and Kurtz and studio execs and actors got in the way and messed up his baby.
I think the Special Edition, including the ridiculous editing mistakes, and the prequels and the midichlorians and Yoda spinning around with a lightsaber, are all very much more in tune with George Lucas’s vision of Star Wars than what we got in the OOT.
I think the biggest issue I had is that Han and Leia’s story was over. Finished. When you write a story, or film one on screen, you have characters, and these made-up characters in theory have entire lifetimes of events. But story is about finding only the most relevant period of time in their lives, the most interesting events, and only getting into all of that. Nobody cares what they ate for breakfast yesterday or what they did at band camp when they were 10 years old unless it’s relevant to the story.
Han and Leia were relevant and interesting in Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi. That was the crux of their mythological lives. If you want to make them centerpieces of a new story when they are in their 60s and 70s, you have to make a different kind of movie than the lighthearted popcorn flick that is TFA. You can’t just call Leia a general and throw her in a few scenes. You can’t just take dinosaur Harrison and have him show up not taking his role seriously. You need to make a credible movie revolving around them, or you need to have them play supporting roles in a movie that revolves around the new, younger cast, telling their own story. You can’t split the movie between both, which is one of the fundamental problems I found with TFA.
In the end, I think the film would have been much better if it moved Han into the background and made the story more about Rey and the younger generation. The whole Han-Leia-Kylo family plot is out-of-place melodrama that was only artificially contrived in order to justify the unwarranted screen time for Harrison.
Whatever I may think of the film, I think TFA’s biggest flaw was Harrison Ford. Not his acting or anything he did himself necessarily, but just the effort that was made to accommodate him and tailor the movie to him and old fanservice-y people who wanted to see him and the old gang. The old characters and the new characters and their stories are not organically synthesized. There is no natural story there that the filmmakers wanted to tell. It was all just make up a bunch of action hero movie bullshit and put all the people on screen as much as possible. And I don’t think that’s the formula for a good movie, or not one that I enjoy.
Yeah, burying the OOT is and probably always will be the worst.
It is my subjective opinion that Han and Leia were great in TFA.
That’s fine, and you are entitled to that.
But it is also my subjective opinion that your opinion is wrong.
What was wrong with their portrayal? They’re the same people we know them from ROTJ with the exception of sharing a loss that has led them to splitting up.
Leia didn’t really have a role in the movie. She was just “there”. She doesn’t even acknowledge Chewie after Han dies. Instead she’s consoling someone she barely knows because welp, the filmmakers needed to foist some kind of female character connection upon the audience that they weren’t skilled enough to establish in a dramatic way throughout the rest of the movie.
Han was better because he had a legitimate role in the movie, but the role was still more in line with Kingdom of the Crystal Skull bullshit than Star Wars. At no point in the movie did I ever feel like Han Solo was a serious character. He feels like he’s an action figure in a comic book universe.
And I can’t even get started on this whole thing with their supposed son. There is nothing emotional or dramatic about any of it because these people never share a history together on screen. Characters don’t earn those emotions through a few lines of expository dialogue. He’s Han and Leia’s son…because the writers told us. Oh look, he killed Han. How sad! Just no, no, no. That’s not how it works.
Women are more diplomatic in general, but that’s even more true in high profile jobs. Sometimes men can get away with being confrontational, but if a woman has that personality, you know what she gets labeled as and she would never last in that kind of public role.
I would definitely expect someone like Kathleen Kennedy to be naturally diplomatic with her responses, especially compared to George.
Han and Leia were great in TFA.
Where is that Donald Trump “Wrong!” meme at…
If you’re watching the OT and you see Hayden that’s your own fault.
Yes, this is right. See Frink, we can agree on many things.
Wazzles said:
The original negative are conformed to the SE, so even if it is the SE it can be called the “original elements”.
Except it would be the Special Edition in 4k, and large sections of the theatrical releases would be missing and/or altered.
Wazzles said:
That also isn’t as nearly a high-profile a restoration that requires careful timing and consideration.
It was a very high profile restoration. But I’ll give you a more difficult example: The Godfather negative was missing 20 minutes and in such bad shape that Harris and his team stood ready to halt the scan at every moment for fear that frames would be ripped apart. That restoration took 18 months (for both films altogether, IIRC).
Again, 5 years is way more than enough time to come to the realization that Disney has no plans to release the OOT now or ever. It takes a very important person to greenlight and assign the funds for restoration projects. The only people with that power are Lucas, the execs that are loyal to him at LFL, and the absolute top top people at Disney. Mike Verta has connections at LFL and it took him a long time to even get an appointment, and apparently his pitch was dead on arrival. I don’t want to speak for him, I know he posts on here or used to, but that was my impression.
Lucas hired Kennedy and all the rest at Lucasfilm. He has worked with them and he knows their minds. Given what we know about how he made the prequels and the sycophants he surrounded himself with over the years, there should be no doubt that LFL is populated with people who are very loyal to George and like-minded. Our only hope was that the Disney execs would override the LFL lifers, but that seems to have been misguided. Given what we have learned about other restoration projects over the years, it’s doubtful if the Disney suits are even aware of the alterations in the first place.
The 4K restoration indicates that they have scanned the original elements of the film.
There is nothing to indicate this. Absolutely nothing. The only thing that is public information and known for certain–via Gareth Edwards–is that Disney had a fresh 4K restoration print when he was hired. He did not say whether it was a restoration of the 1977 version or the Special Edition. It could be either one, but it is more than likely the latter. Even if they already did a restoration of the original theatrical releases, but they withhold them for internal use only, that alone would be sufficient cause to criticize them to no end.
We know they have a 4k source somewhere…
Of what, the SE? The OOT? How do you know what they have? There is nothing to indicate they have scanned the original elements of the film. Seems like a lot of wishing and hoping if you ask me.
Five years is the cutoff? So you have experience as a professional film restorer and seasoned, profit-driven studio executive then?
No, five years is way past the cutoff. Anyone who gave them five years was more than generous or, more likely, just plain delusional. Robert Harris is quoted as saying the entire restoration of films like My Fair Lady took less than one year. He called that “a lot of time”. And sure, that is a lot of time and hard work, but it’s less than a year. For Star Wars and Disney, it has been five years … and nothing.
It’s called giving Disney the benefit of a doubt.
It’s been 5 years. Five. It was fine to give them the benefit of the doubt for a time. But five years is long enough to figure out that Disney has no plans to release the OOT.
MathUser’s posts > TV Frink’s posts
And yes you’re right Vader leaving Bespin and arriving on the Star Destroyer definitely could have been executed in the original film so the motivation for the change is unclear.
They were running out of time on ESB and Lucas was only concerned about getting things done. It’s also true that he doesn’t really like the film, or at least thinks it’s the worst Star Wars movie, probably because it was the one that he had the least creative input into.
Sure, Lucas was still a big part of Empire, but Kersh and Kurtz were more in control of making the movie than anyone besides George has ever been in any of the non-Disney movies, and it shows.
You guys are just embarrassing yourselves with this childish behavior. Not to mention ruining the threads.
They’ve owned Lucasfilm for 5 years. How long do you think it takes to greenlight and execute a film restoration and release exactly?
It’s amazeballs that some of you were carrying your pitchforks to George’s door after a couple years, but after 5 years you’re all card carrying Mouseketeers. Give me more sequel crap!
One nice aspect of Disney waiting until 2120/2121 is that it would give Lucasfilm time to do the most thorough restoration possible.
Fixed your post for you.
It couldn’t be any more clear that Disney has zero, nada, zilch plans to restore and release the OOT.
Lord Haseo said:
I’m also curious as to your opinion on the Rey interrogation scene and how similar it is to Leia’s interrogation scene.
It’s nothing close to Leia’s interrogation scene, which contains some horror elements and was intercut into the sequence where Luke’s relatives get incinerated to death.