That's why our relation took that turn: you think too much. Forget your mental and use the Force !
Bye ;)
Hi Ric !
msycamore said:
The Wampa's Lair, very good! This one is flawless, love your subtle approach with the LP layers, when looking at your notes, what you have done must be a pain!!
Of course I didn't edit the little parts bit per bit. The real pain was that the speed was slightly different on the many edited parts from the LP (second half).
The Rebels Escape Again, This one really comes to life and gets better dynamic with your equalization and LP layer...
And mostly thanks to the channels shifting, believe it or not... The tries with the LP layer helped me a lot finding this out. I' m sure there are many tracks wich have suffered of that, as with my tries with the Anthology version of "City In The Clouds" wich revealed the hidden horn that was totally unheared before. I made many tries on several cues but though it looked sometimes a little better I droped them being not sure it was right. I only was lucky with this one.
The frequencies are so full of informations due to the resonnance of the recording that they surely missed a bunch of tracks when putting together the many orchestral parts through the multi-track transfers. That explains why the Anthology sounds a bit "muddy" and weack, but in the same time shiny (a way to "improve" the noise and this muddy side)...
... That explains also what the SE has tried: to get rid of this richness, mostly through compression, to make a virtualy precise sound.
Next to those, the RSO multi-track transfers look like a nice bunch in wich accuracy is not always at the rendez-vous, but no attempt through weird processing where made to hide the lacks.
Can I ask you why you choose to work with "Jedi Master Revealed" from the SE? to me it sound much better on the Anthology's track "City In The Clouds"...
"Jedi Master Revealed" looks better on the Anthology at first glance, but after re-EQ of both, seeing what they were made of, the SE was better quality, had more substance and a better depht. Here again the Antho is more "shiny" but it's only a "package", and is also far much noisy than the SE once the highs were cut on both.
one more thing, will you include the 20TH Century Fox fanfare? (John Williams & LSO recorded the new version for this film after all) just curious.
I recently borrowed the first print of the SE to my brother and so I rode indeed the fanfare has been especially re-recorded by the LSO on ESB... So I guess it should be included. I always skip that track when listening a SW score which has it ! :)
... I can see Mynock Cave didn't strike your ears that much... Wel, well.
Unfortunately, "ignore" doesn't work when logged out.
Funny to notice it took you two days to realize the girl was nude under the painting and then to call that an offence. It's just art... Minor art though I must admit.
I'll be asking Moth3r to do it for you next.
I' m sure he already saw it. :)
msycamore said:
Your new sample of it sounds sooo goood!
... New sample ? Where have you downloaded such a thing ? In the sample section ?
The only new samples are the 3 new tracks form Disc 1.
I guess that's because you haven't listened to it enough before. Anyway I confirm: the more you listen to it, the more you appreciate it ! ;)
For a little historic of the "Finale/End" Title on my edits:
So in a way you're right, this old sample is the new version ! :)
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Just to let you know, the balance correction I made on the RSO tracks have been removed on V4 on:
"the Asteroïd Field", "Yoda's Theme" and "Finale / End Titles".
And kept on:
"The Imperial March", "Finale / End Title" (Film Version, untouched since V3).
... Please tell me about "The Rebels Escape" next time ! :)
Thanks for the heads up guys ! ;)
EyeShotFirst said:
Every time I edit music, the highs are way too high.
There are many ways to give relief to the highs and it needs sometimes a lot of subtlety. Lifting the highs is not always the good way to make them longer or richer. Paradoxal !
Also sometime you need to cut them more or less to remove what's useless, let's say noise, taking care to keep what makes the richness of the sound. Then you'll be able to measure them more precisely from this new master. However, I only used such a technic with the SW scores. It's like bending a bar of iron in a way, then in an other. But it's really important to catch right away (or to visualize) what makes its true richness. Shiny recordings are treacherous.
Just be aware of what the recording may give, instead of focusing on what you want it to give. It's like living with nature so to speak. ;)
More tries for the slip case:
I discovered my wife was posting here too... Couldn't believe that ! Isn't it C3PX ? ;) Come on, tell them how sweet I am...
ABC said:
msycamore said: Well, "The Rebel Fleet" (aka Finale, sourced from the edited film mix) on disc 2 on the anthology sounds so different from the beginning of the track to the album version with its clear strings coupled with the info I posted earlier that I thought it was another recording and I'm still not entirely sure about it, (maybe because of the different quality in the mix).
Good point though. I had a doubt and just checked it. The strings are indeed left a little behind on the RSO version. I also noticed a hardly hearable cut at average 34 sec or so... We learn every day !
Also noticed I could have grabed those first notes from the harp at the beginning ;).
May I suggest you compare every three versions of another cue (SE/Antho/RSO): "Han and The Princess". The mix is so different on each that not only they look like different takes, but even the instruments sound as if they were different ones. The ten first seconds will be enough.
Upset by your signatures ?... Well my English really sucks then.
You won, you have the last word !
Can we go back on topic, please ?
dark_jedi said:
also,have I ever said anything you did was shit,I don't think so.
You should... If you think so. That would make a useful post. If I quoted together the more useful post and PM's I received you may be surprised.
Now please read again the reason for edit on my last post. And yes your post about the title topic pissed me off a little bit, and yes I always disliked your signatures :). But that last point really doesn't matter, so please let go.
I regret even helping you now
Ah, the EAC program, you're right ! Thank for the people downloading my work. Everyone should thank Dark Jedi for that ! I don't spend my life sharing restoration works on the net and I only spent some giving it attention for you.
dark_jedi said:
stinky picture?
Shit always stinks... Yes I mean this image is shit. Anyway...
Just my way to reply to your first post: You do (reasonably) whatever you want, I do the same, as far as I don't threaten forum members liberty. I can't see why the long title bothers you, and if you don't understand it allows me to keep you aware of the actual state of my work thus you don't have to seek in a hundred of posts, then never mind.
But yes, I can make it shorter. I can even erase the title, erase my posts, what will save our time to us all, notably to me. I think I've done enough and I'm glad have been able to read some people here (wich number doesn't surpass the number of my fingers) enjoying this work.
So please don't piss me off with your useless posts and let's go back on topic...
TV's Frink said:
Damn ABC, you trying to get this thread locked?
OT.com said:
Don't post "work unsafe" images, post a link instead with a NSFW warning. Avoid posting anything that could be considered grossly offensive.
Please remove both pictures from your posts, and please don't post anything similar again.
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"Unsafe" ? "Grossly offensive" ???
Mwwaaahaahaaahaaa !!!!
Sorry, that's the funniest post I've rode on OT. com. However, may be considered as "offensive" the double posting of the image, then I removed the second one.
This image can be only considered as unsafe for adults who have their mind at the wrong place... You've lost your innocence my poor boy ! So sad.
Mmmmh ?...
First time I visit this part of the forum. Perhaps I'd better have post my ESB score restoration project here. Looks like soundtracks fans don't expect to have anything interesting in the SW OT preservation efforts section.
Anyway cool to hear about such projects, even if I haven't grown up with Vangelis or Blade Runner as references. ;)
For the heads up, may I add I'm about to finish the 4th version of my current project. So yes, better take the time it needs and do it right once for all.
Take care.
If you remove these stinky big pictures from your signature when posting there
... Then perhaps.
C3PX said:
My bluuuue bluuue heart!
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A strange thing is that the bit they removed from the "rebel Feet" part for the film sounded a bit too loud on the RSO (not anymore) what may mean they took it off first, and reedited it after, unless they replaced it with another take. (Same thing on the SE besides).
The Rebel Fleet/End Title can be a confusing one;)
From my point of view there's no alternate Rebel Fleet. There's the complete one and the incomplete (film and Anthology). For the End Tiltle there's the album version as Williams choosed to present with the tracked "march" bit but with an alternate beginning on a few seconds, and the film version (SE) wich was the more complete before an innocent guy who wanted to hear the ESB score with a descent sound replaced the short cuts from both film and SE, reediting the RSO in both versions ;) . No matter the tracked "Yoda and the Force" bit, though I love this add.
The only confusion comes from speaking and the launch of words like "alternate". Now for anyone who read us there should be no more.
(EDIT) Erratum: The Anthology End Title March is made of the Alt beginning from the album + the film version March...
I have never said or believed the album version of "End Title" is a one stroke take (I know about the many edits in it)
Of course you know, I only pointed out that the edit (the cuts) are different from the film version to the album while the takes don't make any differences and are the very same with just a slight difference in the mixing (or just the volume). I find that funny.
I insist on that as they have the really same particularities in the sound, independently of the different album mixes.
The main notable differences though come from some RSO sections that have been recorded too strong, and somehow quite well restored on the following versions. From this point of view I choosed the worst one to work with... But it has the dynamic these parts needed. These corrupted parts were mostly:
(The Rebel Fleet)
· 1'47” - 1'57” |(Finale)
· 1'57” - 2'06” |
· 3'42” - 3'51” | Imperial March Alt beginning (album version only)
· 3'51” - 4'28” | March main theme (retracked on the OE from the "Imperial march")· 4'28” - 4'37” | March end, same on both versions (replaced with the "Film Version" bonus track from the Anthology bit on the OE).
· 4'37” - 5'47” |
What hasn't been replaced has been dealed through EQ's.
I know it doesn't answer to your last question, just I wanted to bring some more light on how I reconstructed the original (here the album version) exactly as it had to be what you may verify on every versions. The film version is only a replacement of the two bits in bold.
You know, I'm not a specialist of this score and I don't mean to be. I only made the work that was obvious to me had to be done. I'm about to forget this entirely... I leave the final word to the specialists ! ;)
(EDIT):
Well, "The Rebel Fleet" (aka Finale, sourced from the edited film mix) on disc 2 on the anthology sounds so different from the beginning of the track to the album version with its clear strings coupled with the info I posted earlier that I thought it was another recording and I'm still not entirely sure about it, (maybe because of the different quality in the mix).
Good point though. I had a doubt and just checked it. The strings are indeed left a little behind on the RSO version. I also noticed a hardly hearable cut at average 34 sec or so... We learn every day !
Also noticed I could have grabed those first notes from the harp at the beginning ;).
TV's Frink said:
3) Threads cannot be about certain subjects. I'm sure you can figure out most of them, for instance, no boobies.....REVISION #2: Making an on-topic post that violates this rule, well, violates this rule.
PROBATION!!!
Silly rule ! That's because you can't keep yourself of watching her boobs... There's something more you can see on the actual photo.... Errrrrr.
Mmmmhh? Hall of what ?...
(NSFW) CENSORED FOR FRINK'S MENTAL EQUILIBRIUM SAFETY
To Frink's wife:
Dear Madame,
your husband has recently posted in a neighbour thread called "Hot women that just don't do it for you". Don't do what by the way ? The cooking ?... Or worse. I haven't read further but it talked about Angelina Jolie's mouth and I even don't want to think about what she doen't do for Frink.
And all this, forbidding to post beautiful women shots here.
Perhaps an attempt to attract me into an other thread and get me out of here with my beautiful women... Nice try Mr Frink ! But one thing I hate are the so-called beautiful celebrity of the kind of whom I saw in the mentioned topic. No way !
Regards.
C3PX said:
Derrr derrr derrrr der, duh der duh duh der der duh...
Ah ok, I remember the cue.
msycamore said:
I've always thought they were different takes, now I'm not sure anymore (I must compare them).
You may find out that the Alt March is a bit over satured (as on my edit), that is not the case of the Yoda's theme just before. For me it is obviously an insert, not mentioning the many cuts hardly hearable before it goes back to the love theme. The last note is an awful cut too, wich doesn't prove or mean the album version is a one stroke take, I think it's just better edited.
You'll also find out an awful cut between the two Yoda's theme parts that is not on the album version (or perhaps on the SE). Anyway, there are cuts everywhere, some that you can guess with my remixing details, and some that are a little different on the film version. The End Title beginning (explosion) though has not suffered of over-saturation has the cue I choosed to work with has. It doesn't mean it is a different take however as I guess the soundtrack album has been prepared by some people (I believe John Williams for the editing as I think I rode somewhere), and the score cut for the film by an other team.
Anyway, both versions has been a bit roughly edited. Fortunately the RSO album one offered enough space to re-edit it the best way. So I consider you have THE version one must have on the OE.
... Thanks for the reply ;)
What's after purgatory, may I ask ? Hell of shame ?
You love so much when I violate the rules, I know it !!!
Perhaps you should undername the thread: "the forbidden to women thread"... Then perhaps your wife will think again about what she's indirectly responsive.
msycamore said:
I'm sure there is some pitch issues between the Albums but you can never compare the RSO finale with the film and expect it to match (except if you have the 70mm film version to look at) because it's another film version. The one that should match is oddly attached to "Ewok Celebration" on the 4th disc of the Anthology and that one is the 35mm film version of "finale" we all have on our precious "GOUT";)
QUESTION (and please do like if I ddn't know anything about SW, Video matters and preservation etc... And you'll get what's in my mind).
What is the difference between the 70 and the 35 mm Rebel Fleet/Finale... Aren't they the same takes that are used ?...
I ask this because I just recorded the Finale from the film (the 1980 version), and I'm sure an accurate equalization on this - if needed - can make a good alternate. (But I don't see the interest if it's only for an Alt bit that I already managed anyway). However I'm so untutored that I don't know if audio recorded from a DVD equals 44100kh/16bit.
Anyway, please explain.
TV's Frink said:
ABC said:
Rather than say you don't know what to say, you could have post something related to the new subject !
Meh. Rule #7.
Rule#7sucks !
Anyway, this rhinestone subject is quite passioning... Awesome suits provided by Google !!!... Here a rhinestone bathing suit:
Thanks Ferris !
