ABC

Moth3r said:

OT question...

 Last time I tried as uploader (quite a time from now), they allowed only ten download for it.

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Oh, btw perhaps I'd be interested myself in hearing the 1980 ESB mix... Perhaps it may offer an interesting source for checking about the pitch issues with the many score recordings. May I ask what format are you sharing for the audio mixes (yeah, I don't know anything about this as you can observe).

TV's Frink said:

Wow.  I don't know what to say.

Other than topic accepted, of course.

 Rather than say you don't know what to say, you could have post something related to the new subject !

... I know, I know, probation !!!

Though, he has the boots !

How can you trust only one computer to keep your most precious datas... ?! I can't understand.

Also perhaps you should formulate your topic as "I lost my audio mixes", because from outside it looks like you're running after the lost Ark. ;)

New samples (Optimum version 4):

"The Wampa's Lair" SE + RSO LP multi-parts layer + Antho fade out, remixed, final. (same as posted 2 pages before)

"The Rebels Escape" Anthology + RSO LP missing bit, multi-layered EQ's (self), frequencies shifting correction + RSO LP layer (light), final mix.

"Jedi Master Revealed / Mynock Cave" Part 1 SE layered with RSO LP (medium freqs) / Part 2: SE begining, RSO CD completed and restored with SE, entirelely remixed before editing as always, final.

+ Just updated the remixing and editing details (for CD1 only for now). You' ll see in bold what's new.

THIS THREAD IS NOW ABOUT TO CLOSE !!!

Thank you Frink for these great moments of emotions you gave us. Bye !

If I may say what I personaly think about that I'd mention the fact that rendering such a detailed orchestral score needs artistry or sensibility more than technical skills. The engineers who worked on this score at first where both I think.

I have to admit I'd love to have the whole set at accurate pitch as sometimes I still feel there's a difference between a cue and another. But this difference is not so bothering... It's only a "particularity" that's hardly or even not noticeable. I'd add that the OE has reached a quality yet above my own expectations and I won't feel any regret to leave it as it is now.

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Here's the untouched Finale from the LP for Mangobyebye: Finale LP

Oh OK, my bad. Obviously.

Obi-Wan's signature: *This Optimum Edition is now the ultimate power in the universe. I suggest we listen to it!*

So many thanks !

THE THREAD IS NOW OPEN!

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So, while the thread is open we can post anything, uh ?

So Frink, you just prooved two things the same time:

1. The klingons leave a crop circle when landing
2. you abuse of your autority by threatening with Hall of Shame when you know KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNN !!!! is in relation with the topic subject

Shame on you !

Possible Klingons' ships make crop circles when landing... Any photo of that ?

Dear ! I missed the last holy post.... Awful !

And I suspect that Rico lies.

skyjedi2005 said:

You know what i miss.  Films shot on real film. 

Films with real acting, real scripts and directing. Films without wall to wall greenscreen and cgi. Films without Shakey Cam and lens flares and quick cuts and some actual story and plot.

Films with real stunts and pyrotechnics.  Real Models, matte paintings and sets and location shooting.  Real technicians and craftsmen who were masters of their art and not raised on video games and music videos.

 That's exactly what I was thinking and feeling watching to all the photos I can grab for a booklet I'm preparing the ESB Optimum.

Btw Skyjedi, your knowledge will be always welcome in my threads ;)

Do you know how we call the "Royal Cheese" in France ?... Oh shit. I've just said it !

msycamore said:

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your last post, you probably know, but I just wanted you to know, so you don't work with that one in vain. The Finale/End Title can be a confusing one on that score.

 

 I both agree and disagree: it is a different edit (or montage), but the partition should be the same. I mean that when I listen to the end Title explosion, the note should be the very same on both versions. And so for the rest of the cue, excepted perhaps the Alt March, though even if it is a different play, the partition should still match.

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I've just made an interesting experiment: I re-made the film version edit of "Snowspeeders" (Hyperspace + Snowspeeders) this time with the actual tracks I have (RSO layered), and it was kind of ok, no more no less. Then I changed the "Snowspeeders" track speed to LP speed (1,28%), while "Hyperspace" is still at LP speed (0,84%) and... Bingo ! The percussion pitch between the two cues matches exactly for the edit (what means the Anthology tracks can't really match what is a little confirmed in my previous edit).

The exemple above is a good one to show how precise I work, as to show how much different are the speed changes between the Antho (Or SE wich is at the very same speed excepted for some processed parts) and the RSO. Is it due to the master tapes transfers wich have been so badly conserved ? I'm beginning to be sure it is. Then the RSO LP transfer may be the most fiable source about the speed. (To notice: only one cue - "City In The Clouds" - matched with the Anthology with almost no speed change).

The Finale on RSO LP is faster than my version (RSO CD), wich is itself faster than the film...! You talk of a headache !... Then I also wonder: is it possible they changed the pitch and speed on film version to make it fit with the crawl (wich must have been done to match the music, I know, but I expect anything)...

EDIT: Here again, I just compared the "Finale" from the C. Gerhardt recording with the RSO LP transfer and guess what ?... Same pitch. Then I suspect the film version of being too low. Following this feeling I may try to stick the closer as possible to the RSO LP but... There's a "but"... Some multi-tracks edits have different speeds: the new "Magic Tree" version I entirely layered with the LP had to be switched and speed converted in many parts to have his many segments match... !

... You don't imagine all the work that have been done since v3... You won't recognize the set, men ! So, am I ready to redo even a couple of layered tracks in the inverted way ?... The answer that comes in my mind is composed of two letters written in bold...

EDIT 2: Anyway, let me know mango if you found the LP's transfers. Otherwise I'll post the End Titles for you to check it. Thanks for this !

Well...

What I've just try: I increased the "Finale" to 4% and compared to the film version I have at that speed. Then the RSO version looked a little too fast. I tried to -1% and looks to match quite well. It's only a first try though.

Here's the cue for mangobyebye when you'll have time to check (and don't worry about the clipping, it's an "old" version):

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=RZ4HKX26

OBI-WAN said:

The difference in speed is hardly noticable while watching the movie. In terms of soundtrack it must cause a real headache for poor ABC. 

Sure, not mentionning all the little parts edited together from different sources.

How comes that difference between 0,04% and 4% ? Sorry, I didn't catch your demonstration quite well.

Well, thinking again about this again, I find strange I didn't have any pitch issues with the multi tracks edits I made between the Anthology, the SE and the RSO CD (Main Title, Training of a Jedi, Finale, and so...)

... Some rough inside view from the booklet:

Crop Circles are an old phenomenon:

Wow, thanks Tobar. I was searching such infos with no result. Now that I have confirmation my ears are quite bioionic (hey, 4%, I found that in 30sec :), it is possible I plan to correct the pitch where needed... That makes already two tracks that don't need it.

The THREAD IS NOW ABOUT...

CROP CIRCLES !

Frinksucks !

Ric Olie said:

Dear hot.like.C3PX,

...

Love,
hot.like.olie

 When I think... He never talked to me like that ! He doesn't talk to me no more anyway.

mangobyebye,

Here's a first one: a comparison between the Mynock Cave track session (that matches with the film speed and pitch), and the original SE track that I've sped up to a factor of 4... The BBC recording looks even faster:

Mynocks

Ooops, sorry for the double link, here's also the new edit for Mynock Cave with the RSO CD (a little faster than the original SE):  Mynocks Optimum (new)

Also, maybe - if you don't know the RSO LP's - You could check the blue link from my signature and grab the LP's transfers I'm using for my edit. If you say the pitch is correct on the LP's I'd be amazed (and would have some big work to do). Oh, and I'd recommend you listen what I've done with the 1977 SW...

And if any of these recordings really match or look convincing... Oh boy, I won't touch anything. Too hasardous, and I feel something is wrong when I touch this anyway.

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EDIT: I've just compared two tracks:

-The Rebels Escape: the C.Gerhardt recording looks to have the same pitch than the RSO LP transfer. The Anthology version isn't that low however, but a little lower.

- Main Title: The RSO LP transfer is a little faster than the RSO CD, of almost nothing.

Also, as said before you may check "Hyperspace" on CD2 wich is at the same speed than the LP.

Thanks for your help, all this looks like a big headache.

fishmanlee said:

ABC what is this alternate you have been talking about?

 This is nothing you don't know I think. We call thus the added missing bit from the SE because it has been replaced in the film by the beginning of the next cue.

Edit: Err.. I'm not sure if I answered. It was about "Carbon Freeze", uh?

Davnes007 said:

ABC said:

...Moi pas comprendre....

That  should  be "Je ne comprends pas".

 

 T' as tout compris. Tu sais que tu me plais, toi ?...

If you haven't seen "In Bruges" with Colin Farell (and a small person), I HIGHLY recommend it !

I'm glad you can help me.

Well, about the movie there's a little problem: I'm in zone 2 (PAL), and someone stated in an other thread after I noticed how fast it was that it was normal and that if I would like to see the film at accurate speed I'd need zone 1 dvd.

Anyway I'll post two or three cues to let you compare very soon, probably this week end.