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Puggo is saying that you are dissing the quality of his transfer of the 8mm film to DVD. But yeah, you are right in saying it seems that the 8mm reels were likely derived from the 70mm version.
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Puggo is saying that you are dissing the quality of his transfer of the 8mm film to DVD. But yeah, you are right in saying it seems that the 8mm reels were likely derived from the 70mm version.
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Sluggo said:
bkev,
Puggo is saying that you are dissing the quality of his transfer of the 8mm film to DVD.
bkev,
Puggo is saying that you are dissing the quality of his transfer of the 8mm film to DVD.
Indeed, the 8mm films not only provide a small glimpse into the 70mm versions, they are also a great source of film grain, distortion, wobble, and color fade, all of which have been faithfully and gloriously replicated on the Puggo masterpiece!
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Anyway, back on topic - I *am* interested in seeing the super 8mm of ESB, but have been unable to find it online.
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bkev said:
I *am* interested in seeing the super 8mm of ESB, but have been unable to find it online.
I *am* interested in seeing the super 8mm of ESB, but have been unable to find it online.
bkev, you have mail.
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Han's "and I thought they smelled bad on the outside" line was a different take in
the version I saw (compared to all the subsequent video versions I'vd seen).
I have no idea if the theatrical showing I saw was 35mm or 70mm (was there even a 70mm re-issue of ESB?)
I haven't seen the 8mm version, however. Was that scene included?
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Mielr said:
I haven't seen the 8mm version, however. Was that scene included?
I haven't seen the 8mm version, however. Was that scene included?
No, not that one.
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ok,
was there any differences between the 35mm version of 'empire strikes back', (maybe a mono mix? or was it
stereo only?) ...
and the laserdisc versions?(any of them)
or as mentioned in the beginning
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The Empire Strikes Back (original theatrical version)
Best source: official 2006 OUT DVD
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are they all the same?
i will be able to provide some information hopefully once we get ahold of
that copy, later
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[no GOUT in CED?-> GOUT CED]
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negative1 said:
ok,
was there any differences between the 35mm version of 'empire strikes back', (maybe a mono mix? or was it
stereo only?) ...
and the laserdisc versions?(any of them)
or as mentioned in the beginning
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The Empire Strikes Back (original theatrical version)
Best source: official 2006 OUT DVD
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------are they all the same?
i will be able to provide some information hopefully once we get ahold of
that copy, later
-1
There are different sound mixes from different video releases over the years. Also, there are 70mm and 35mm sound mixes for ESB that differ.
I've thought about expanding my list here to include the different sound mixes as well as visual differences. The list would be significantly longer and more complicated that way, of course. But it might be worth it.
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I just got Puggo's 8mm DVD the other day, and there were a few really noticeable audio differences in the 8mm version of ESB, all lines spoken by Leia- one is during the asteroid scene, and the other 2 that I noticed were during the Cloud City escape scene.
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Mielr said:
Maybe it's a false memory, but I swear that when I first saw ESB theatrically in 1982,
Han's "and I thought they smelled bad on the outside" line was a different take in
the version I saw (compared to all the subsequent video versions I'vd seen).
I have no idea if the theatrical showing I saw was 35mm or 70mm (was there even a 70mm re-issue of ESB?)
I haven't seen the 8mm version, however. Was that scene included?
There's a difference in that take between most home video releases and the ESB DVD. The version in the 2004 DVD is from the 70mm mix.
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Just out of curiosity, are WookieGroomer's WMVs still the best source for the 2004 OT?
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I think that the purest HD release is, yes. However, they lack the color corection/changes that Adywan's newest 720p editions have.
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This may have been answered before:
I'm completely new to this: how and where do I find good versions of the 1997 SE's? I used to have the tapes. Is there a good source online or elsewhere? These were my first introduction to the Star Wars world, and I would like to see them again instead of the atrocious 2004 versions.
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captainsolo said:This may have been answered before:
I'm completely new to this: how and where do I find good versions of the 1997 SE's? I used to have the tapes. Is there a good source online or elsewhere? These were my first introduction to the Star Wars world, and I would like to see them again instead of the atrocious 2004 versions.
The best set is known as the 'TB' which is a recording from a French cable channel but it is not currently available to download, I'm working on a better version combining the TB set with other sources and the 5.1 audio from the laserdiscs. Details are here: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Max-Rebos-97-SE-superset-preservation/topic/9031/
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Does anyone know where I can get ahold of a theatrical TPM transfer with NTSC timing?
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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-Phantom-Menace-Theatrical-Version-NTSC-DVD-ADYWAN-NOW-AVAILABLE/topic/10615/
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There is a discussion of rumored Star Wars HD broadcasts from Australia.
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/New-HDTV-Broadcasts/topic/11101/
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I have the Star Wars Trilogy on dvd and i thought i would come here because i cant stand the 2004 special editions there a disgrace to Star Wars. Lucas should have never changed them they were fine the way they were but i cant stand the Original version of Return Of The Jedi and that Yub Nub ending im looking for the 1997 remastered version five star special edition. Does any one know were i cant get this dvd because its the ending that i saw the theaters and i want to see again i fear that Lucas destroyed this version for greed so that no one can see Sebastian Shaw again.
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When they released the 2006 DVD, Lucasfilm said that the laser disc ports were the best available source for the theatrical cuts.
It that is the case, where they did get the footage used in the "Empire of Dreams" documentary (included in the bonus disc of the 2004 DVD)? The footage in that documentary is definitly from the original version, and it looks better than what was relesed with the 2006 DVD.
What gives?
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Dayo said:
When they released the 2006 DVD, Lucasfilm said that the laser disc ports were the best available source for the theatrical cuts.
It that is the case, where they did get the footage used in the "Empire of Dreams" documentary (included in the bonus disc of the 2004 DVD)? The footage in that documentary is definitly from the original version, and it looks better than what was relesed with the 2006 DVD.
What gives?
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what is the best laserdisc capture of the original trilogy?, can anyone help me get a copy of them ?, please .
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Dayo said:
When they released the 2006 DVD, Lucasfilm said that the laser disc ports were the best available source for the theatrical cuts.
It that is the case, where they did get the footage used in the "Empire of Dreams" documentary (included in the bonus disc of the 2004 DVD)? The footage in that documentary is definitly from the original version, and it looks better than what was relesed with the 2006 DVD.
What gives?
Most of the footage from the Empire of Dreams documentary is from the 1997 special edition. It includes Boba's original voice, Han's jacket in the carbon freezing room and the end of Jedi with Sebastian Shaw as Anakin near the end.
There is some footage of the original version, has anyone compared it side by side with the 2006 video to see if it is the same video source (but in 16x9) or from something else? If it's from something else such as a decent quality film print, that doesn't necessarily mean Lucas is sitting on a decent print of the original ready to go, right? Could it be possible that those were all in separate parts and the makers of the doc had to dig them up? Or that they required extensive restoration just to look decent and Lucas didn't want to do that for the entire reel when he had the 1993 video transfer already color corrected?
Because I understand Lucas' utter lazyness to not restore the original films, what doesn't make sense even for him would be to intentionally use a lower quality source if there was a better one ready to go, which was just sitting on the shelf in one piece.
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The Empire of Dreams footage IMO is worse than the GOUT. It's much softer. You can see this if you compare the original crawl they show.