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Chewtobacca
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Rumor has it that were new Austrian HDTV broadcasts of episodes 3 to 6 over November and December that are now making their way onto the web. Is this true?
Apparently they look better than the German broadcasts (!) I'm surprised I haven't heard anything about this here. Can any comment on the veracity of these claims?
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¤°•°•°•°•°•°•°•°•°¤Chewtobacca said:
Apparently they look better than the German broadcasts (!) I'm surprised I haven't heard anything about this here. Can any comment on the veracity of these claims?
Sounds interesting.
Can we have a comparison from the german broadcasts with the other HDTV versions out there?
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I am ready for the trials!With the changes noticed in the recent HD broadcasts of Raiders, I'd be interested to know if Lucasfilm is sneaking anything new into these.
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is automatic for the people.Sluggo is officially interested. Not for the changes, mind you.
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¤°•°•°•°•°•°•°•°•°¤Can someone address me the changes? OR some changes!
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Sluggo
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is automatic for the people.As far as I know, there was only one matte shot that was changed. Someone had posted screen shots somewhere here. I have the pics on my hard drive somewhere...
ah, here they are:
Hey, off topic again! Sorry about that.
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pjvader
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sorry to talk about indy HD again but might be of interest to some
the previous versions of raiders had a faint blue line (print damage) visible in some scenes most notably the scene with indy and belloq in the bar it was visible on the bbcHD version and the version that was shown in UK cinemas from 2001 onwards (for the diet coke film festival iirc) it might be on the 1st release dvds though i cant remember, it has been removed fromthe re-released dvds (the ones with the kotcs extras added) now heres the thing the new sky-HD broadcasts (sky have a deal with paramount for newly struck HD classic movie premieres) have the blue line removed but still has the canyon truck falling scene from the above top picture hmmmmmm discuss
zombie84
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Jedi KnightThe films were transfered in HD in 2001 with the blue line because that's on the negative; the 2003 Lowry HD master either had the same problem or painted it out; the re-releases either continued to have it painted out, or if it was previously in, painted it out; this version was given to SkyHD; shortly after, the truck matte shot was re-done and given to Sci-FiHD.
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Chewtobacca
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Sluggo said:Hey, off topic again! Sorry about that.
That's no problem. I mentioned Star Wars in the first post, as I heard a rumor about it, but you are not off topic, if one takes the thread title literally. :-) I have no objection to this becoming a general thread discussing new HD broadcasts, as long as the Star Wars rumor is discussed too - so far that's what it remains...
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zombie84 said:
The films were transfered in HD in 2001 with the blue line because that's on the negative; the 2003 Lowry HD master either had the same problem or painted it out; the re-releases either continued to have it painted out, or if it was previously in, painted it out; this version was given to SkyHD; shortly after, the truck matte shot was re-done and given to Sci-FiHD.
the sky version was at least a year after the sci-fi HD version (was broadcast in august 09 iirc) but has the original truck shot not the new CG version shown on the sci fi channel! this is the sort of thing that the official sites should advertise as "news" even some of the indy fan sites didnt pick up on it (i guess its just me being sad ha ha!)
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Jedi Knightpjvader said:
zombie84 said:
The films were transfered in HD in 2001 with the blue line because that's on the negative; the 2003 Lowry HD master either had the same problem or painted it out; the re-releases either continued to have it painted out, or if it was previously in, painted it out; this version was given to SkyHD; shortly after, the truck matte shot was re-done and given to Sci-FiHD.
the sky version was at least a year after the sci-fi HD version (was broadcast in august 09 iirc) but has the original truck shot not the new CG version shown on the sci fi channel! this is the sort of thing that the official sites should advertise as "news" even some of the indy fan sites didnt pick up on it (i guess its just me being sad ha ha!)
That's true, but for whatever reason they didn't use the newest Sci-Fi master, but the master from the previous releases. Maybe Sci-Fi network had an exclusive deal, or maybe Paramount was charging more money for the "enhanced" version.
Basically, as I understand it, there are three different masters: 1)The original HD version from 2001. 2) The Lowry version from 2003 without the blue line (Lowry likely painted it out). 3) The altered version from 2008.
Maybe SkyHD purchased and recieved the film before the latest enhanced version was ready but simply didn't show it until a year later. There could be many explanations, so for me it's not all that weird since the master was changing every two to three years (there might even have been a fourth master, created in 2007, if the original 2003 Lowry release did indeed have the blue line still in it).
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"When George went back and put new creatures into the original Star Wars, I find that disturbing. It’s a revision of history. That bothers me."
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Sluggo
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is automatic for the people.Do you have a screencap of this blue line?
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http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/696/indy12old.png
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/4031/indy12new.png
blue line present @ top gone in new HD version
pjvader
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new cg truck shot in old HD version
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/4758/indy19old.png
old matte painting in new HD version
Baronlando
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Padawan LearnerOne of the guys from digital bits claimed that the Indy blu-rays were ready to come out along with Crystal Skull, but at the last minute Spielberg stopped it because he wasn't happy with how they looked.
zombie84
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Jedi KnightThe new version also has very different color grading. They brightened it considerably, dialed the blue hues out, and increased the contrast a bit.
Does the version with the new truck shot look like this as well? I haven't actually seen any of these.
The Secret History of Star Wars -- now available on Amazon.com!
"When George went back and put new creatures into the original Star Wars, I find that disturbing. It’s a revision of history. That bothers me."
--James Cameron, Entertainment Weekly, April 2010
Chewtobacca
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Baronlando said:
One of the guys from digital bits claimed that the Indy blu-rays were ready to come out along with Crystal Skull, but at the last minute Spielberg stopped it because he wasn't happy with how they looked.
George Lucas, Ridley Scott, you guys listening to this? :-)
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Jedi KnightRidley Scott?
The Secret History of Star Wars -- now available on Amazon.com!
"When George went back and put new creatures into the original Star Wars, I find that disturbing. It’s a revision of history. That bothers me."
--James Cameron, Entertainment Weekly, April 2010
Chewtobacca
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Gladiator blu-ray
Well, this Austrian TV broadcast thing seems to be a rumor. Enjoy discussing Indy and other things, guys. I'm actually finding the discussion quite interesting. :-)
Baronlando
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Padawan LearnerLet's not paint ol' Ridley with the same brush!
Chewtobacca
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Baronlando said:
Let's not paint ol' Ridley with the same brush!
Same brush, less paint! :-) Those Gladiator blu-rays were a disgrace.
pjvader
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zombie84 said:
The new version also has very different color grading. They brightened it considerably, dialed the blue hues out, and increased the contrast a bit.
Does the version with the new truck shot look like this as well? I haven't actually seen any of these.
i have never seen the scifi HD version (they dont show indy on the uk sci fi channel) but the bbchd version had the new truck shot in it and the old colour pallete so as u said there might be different 3 HD masters out there i have the bbc one somewhere and the sky one and also the japanese wowow version which is the same master as the sky one just need the scifi HD one to complete the collection! unlikely to ever see it though!
im assuming u all saw the canyon comparison vids on youtube?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_sFW8grQtU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIH46G9_3SU&NR=1
pjvader
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i have had a look for the austrian versions but cant find anything
itv in the UK showed them in HD before christmas but they were cropped to 1:78:1 in stereo and had commercials plus no updated yoda!
Baronlando
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Padawan LearnerQuestion: does the presence of the digital Yoda in Phantom Menace at the star wars concert indicate that a new master has been created for that whole movie? I know the youtube concert clips aren't the best way to judge, but the episode I clips look somehow "better" to me, while the other 5 movies basically look like the current dvds.
zombie84
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Jedi KnightThey were probably taken directly from the digitized 2K master that serves as the negative, since they had to be projected on a large screen. Its impossible to say if CG yoda is part of the actual master yet (since they are just random clips), but if it isn't then its safe to say it will be when they start getting it ready for the next release since it is now officially endorsed as a proper version of the scene (most likely for blu ray).
The Secret History of Star Wars -- now available on Amazon.com!
"When George went back and put new creatures into the original Star Wars, I find that disturbing. It’s a revision of history. That bothers me."
--James Cameron, Entertainment Weekly, April 2010