Ronster

The only thing I can remember finding that I thought that made TFN decent was the fan film "Desert Duel"

This was the best and still to this date, the best fan film I have ever seen so far... fair play to the people who made that and are part of that "place"

Dilan33 said:

I liked the movie at all

 ???

You did not like it?

Seriously this film could have been better but I think the potential lies in quite an easy edit to bring it up a few notches. It does not need anything over complicated.

It's not "the Master" or even "the Hunter" but it's a reasonably good film that could just do with a few chops

timdiggerm said:

Ronster said:

I never noticed anything about wedges voice before... I always thought it was the same actor.

 This, btw, is why many people are tired of your posts. Just like you never noticed the voice actor discrepensy, they didn't notice the other little things. If most people haven't noticed, it's probably not worth fixing.

 I am going to apologize to you asterisk8 and anyone else here who is angry with me.

Thanks Ray and Blue for sticking up for me they do have a point perhaps I am crowbaring the thread a bit. I have time on my hands at the moment as all my work is finished for this year and to be honest this project is of great interest to me and I have great enthusiasm for it. I have never intended any Harm but perhaps I am causing harm by posting up things for topic on a regular basis.

I wanted to look over the whole films audio and spot whatever I could possibly see that could perhaps be improved I actually felt I had finished this. I then got my hands on a copy of the Gout which got me to sign the petition here for the OT to be restored and released. Anyway all I want to say is even if you are cheesed off with me, please try to appreciate the hours and hours I have actually focused and tried to bring up some details that I have spotted to try to be helpful and not hinder.

I think Han's Blaster was the last stone anyway that I had missed. Job done.

Happy Christmas and Goodwill to all men eh

EDIT:@ Ady Looking Great! Best of luck with it and don't get let yourself feel any pressure It's done when it's done

@ScruffyNerfHerder

Thanks that is really interesting... I actually really wish they had cemented that into the film that if Han did not comply then Vader would have hurt Leia although now you have said it it seems quite obvious but I never really perceived it that way.

All we got was "They never even asked me any questions"

Which is fine but that certainly would have helped explain Han's motives a lot more clearer.

I don't think it was a bad idea trying to tell the story in the appendices of the LOTR amongst the Hobbit story.

I think what it all boils down to is how it has been executed. To say it's a mess and to chop it down to a single film  or 2 films would certainly be an interesting watch of how that would alter our perception of the story on film.

There is certainly some huge chunks I'd chop from the first one.. Perhaps it's worth starting this project now and as the films are released by the time the last one comes out there would be less work to do.

I'd be interested to say the least, of seeing this fall into some shape at the hands of some talented editors here.

And whoever does this please cut down on Jackson's miraculous sequencing of utter nonsence they really pull you out the film. Especially that treetop sequence with the orcs. It's like a carry on film.

This pretty much sums it up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lco9Ki-5qfQ

Marty.McFly said:

Just...wow.

 I think i could go 50/50 on the Correct Blaster sound. Part of me thinks It could really be an enhancement and be a wow and the other part of me thinks it could be damaging.

I think it is one of those that it's worth a try and if it does not work then that is just the way it is...

I never noticed anything about wedges voice before... I always thought it was the same actor.

Han's Blaster Signature Sound.

Han's Blaster (Gun) has a unique sound to it but I spotted some inconsistency.

First shot in the Mynock Cave = incorrect sound

Han shoots the Floor = correct sound plays here

Dining Room with Vader = Incorrect sound

I like the sounds that is used in the dining room but as Ady is adding ricochet shots my thoughts were to put the correct sound for the blaster and use the sound that is present in the scene for the ricochet shots that have been added. Also it would keep his signature sound consistent whilst keeping as much of the original sound as possible.

Anyway just another one I spotted the correct sound of his gun can be heard here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq474V1aFPM

Yes just spotted this the other day...

Reconstructed workprint is much more fitting title... Apparently somone has offered to colorize the Black and white video to color for this project so another version will be available perhaps in the future.

I think it's interesting but I would watch the original first and if you like it this as a second watch

Shoal of priranahs incoming! Just kidding

Nobody said it was a technical error it was a "Make more sense" suggestion of being sprayed in the face by sonofjones.

From what I can gather people in general have a lot of mixed feelings about this particular audio change from SE and Theatrical but none of it is a major problem. It's all a matter of preference or what they think sounds best so it's just one of those conundrums.

Myself included people have varying points of view yet there is not a right or a wrong just different points of view on it.

Generally seeing mixed reviews over this film... But they improved the Dragon atleast lol apparently this is a shining moment in the film and generally an agreed thing that the dragon is the coolest dragon ever or something along those lines.

Oh well I think it's a home video watch film anyway this one... I want to see 47 Ronin instead I just think it could have the edge at least for me.

Stefsarch said:

 Didn't Adywan say that he won't be taking any suggestions?

 I apologize I never read that in the first post....

But i won't be taking any suggestions for changes/ fixes for the HD version

That confirms he pretty much knows exactly what he wants to do with it and to be honest that's really quite good.

I don't have many suggestions for ANH:R HD because I think Ady already has it covered in terms of how this will be so I think the blueprints are there if you like.

But something I would like to have seen was a brief inclusion of the emperor. And I think I found the spot. After Luke is doing his lightsabre training and they are coming up on Alderaan. We cut to the conference room.

I was wondering if we could have a brief glimpse of the emperor in this scene over a hologram in the center of the table and phasing out like the conversation has already taken place.

It's the scene where a guy walks in and says "scout ships have reached dontooine"

It's a small touch but it gives the impression of him as a shadowy figure working behind the scenes and no dialogue either.

This is really funny :)

Wait a minute did'nt the stormtroopers give Chewie a Banana to calm him down?

As for the Vader pain sound effects well I don't think that Oompf is JEJ or atleast sounds nothing like him let alone without any Vader voicebox sound on it. That is the point it's equivalent to Luke letting out screams of Carrie fisher or someone else voice.

As for the arrgh that is a sound I could imagine JEJ making so It does not bother me really I am Happy that is being put in to be honest.

I am pretty sure though that the steam sound from the pipe is the same as the carbon freeze chamber. so this is a potential sighting of an edit if one were desired.

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Look this forum is for fleshing things out, being fair on myself here yes I look over things in the film and make suggestions and look for continuous ways to try to improve things. I don't get upset when I get shot down neither so what is the big deal. I also prefer to try to keep the thread on topic as sometimes It really flies off in stupid ways. I am also excited about seeing the project finished. I also posted a audio change list with other peoples suggestions on it. I am trying to encourage good things not bad things here so don't bash me for that.

asterisk8 said:

Reegar said:

The man makes one detail-oriented suggestion and people leap on him. Well, Adywan's edits do in fact revolve around detail much of the time.

It's hardly "one" suggestion. I'm sorry, it must be 40 or 50 suggestions from Ronster in the last few months, and all but a couple are totally ridiculous.

Yep saw that clip lol i am now thinking Homer Simpson "Doh" :)

You know you have a good point there bingo but it does not stop Vader looking stupid even if he fell off intentionally. And the whole pain sound effect that vader is apparently experiencing should not be present. At least this is how I am reading Ady from his comments.

I will never suggest a cut to empire strikes back in a lighthearted manner but i am targetting for termination in the scene prior luke swinging his lightsabre away so we have the impression of a clash at the edge and vader gets pushed off with some chane of Lukes lightsabre in the fall scene and it might be creepy to just hear him breathe before he falls feeding in to what you are saying there Bingo. Like he is luring him but much more deviously and less stupid.

I also really don't like the ompf sound but the arrgh is tolerable i think it would make more sense in the hose in the face scene if that is possible.

you are right there is no kick... And I always thought he nudged him off like pushed him...

there is something that could be better than in the original sequence. Because Luke is totally obscured on the shot of Vader falling back. What if Luke's lightsabre actually was connecting with Vaders when he raises it up before he falls. And the sound of them connecting. Just an idea to perhaps make it more dramatic. Like Luke pushed him off with the light sabres connecting and not a hit and Vader stepping back into nothing.

Interesting Idea about switching them pain sounds around the problem is when Luke pushes the hose in Vader's face there is a lot of other sound effects going on. So although it's easy to alter Vader getting knocked down the Hose in the face is kind of baked in.

So it is possible perhaps but would be extremely tricky to pull off for the Hose in the face.

Kershner wanted to make sure that the audience was aware that the android technology allowed for pain and the android parts was seamlessly integrated to the Biology of the user.

Something else I noticed is that there is no melee hit sound (or it's really subdued in the mix) when Vader get's knocked down. I wonder if the sound of Luke kicking Vader from ROTJ could be used but have the pitch and volume altered and keeps continuity with the next film of what Vader sounds like when Luke hits him.

I tried the Respirator malfunction the sound I made was fine  it comes off like a joke which I had a feeling it might. :)

The Vader Breath at the very end of the vivaldi trailer is the most epic breath Vader ever took so If Ady can find a place for this one somewhere in the film I would be Happy to hear that one especially but I don't have any suggestions of where it could or should go.

Good news... Sitting at home a bit bored today and I thought of something that is a bit of an issue in the lightsabre duel.

When Luke puts the Hose in Vader's face the "Ohh" does not sound like Vader and when He get's knocked down by Luke and let's out an "Ahh" does not sound like Vader. Actually some version repeat the "Ohh" twice but anyway. I thought I would try to make it sound a bit more like what Vader would sound like so here are the results to this small task I did for fun this morning but It took longer than I thought it would.

http://www.mediafire.com/listen/r961ioc9zc543io/Ohhh+edit.mp3

and

http://www.mediafire.com/listen/2ap67bnu28e4ctr/Ahhh+edit.mp3

Don't expect anything radically different I just tried to inject a bit more Vader in those two hurt sound effects if you like.

An idea I just had from this scene where Luke shove the pipe in Vaders Face is Having his respirator make some weird  malfunction noises although It's a fine line between being a joke and serious but this might work.

Bingowings said:

Probably a waste of time though because I doubt if the eye would even register something that subtle.

 I noticed it as soon as I watched the GOUT that the deflector shield flashes are different through out the film. The Gout Deflector Flashes are much better but low res which is a problem.

It's also quite an iconic shot this one... The Laser that's fired has the correct coloration if a bit subtler than the original. But it is a bigger flash that shrinks and then pops into a small flame against the grey leg.

this is quite diminished in the Bluray so it is different and because the sky is much brighter it's not as noticeable now as it used to be.

I am hoping somehow they can be restored to their former glory.

a few things I spotted In ESB.

The AT-AT Binocular reveal is better quality in the GOUT than the 2004 SE or at least there is more definition and the image is more clear.

Starfields no longer have any color depth

Deflector shield flashes have lost their original coloration

The Special edition added "Look out" "Behind Us" to the panicking crowd as Lando and Leia and Co are fleeing cloud city in the Gout all you can hear is crowd noise and no lines.

I spotted this one the other week.

Isley said:

I think you have me confused with someone else... I didn't say anything about an AT-AT leg or a shield flash :/

 Sorry yeah I meant Lastjedi, whoops.

Will edit..

Darker sky works quite well for the effect but not sure about continuity of sky color so that is perhaps the issue but I don't think it would be that noticeable as a sky can vary depending on where you look. Or somehow blend the cloud at the bottom only to be darker but that is way beyond my rubbish skills

Exactly... It's outstanding work and to think this is outdated is even more curious about what Ady has up his sleeve or how it will be different.

I have one more thing I noticed and I wonder if Lastjedi you remember this but I just give the original film a fresh watch so It's still in mind what I saw.

Like you said about the flash on the Leg of the AT-AT Lastjedi when the Falcon is fleeing cloud city with Luke on board... The Tie fighters are shooting and there are shield flashes just like the AT-AT's leg.

In the special edition it's the scene straight after the Vader getting off the Death Star abomination. Now the white shield flashes have transferred over quite well because of the dark sky. But in the GOUT there are some real funky colors coming off the deflector shield flashes.

I wondered if this could be re-instated if possible somehow and it got me thinking about the Leg you mentioned Lastjedi if instead of the yellow tint we get in the Blu-ray it could be perhaps altered in hue to match a more funky coloration like these shield flashes we see at this point.

can we get that coloration effect across all shield flashes as a continuity thing for deflectcor shield flashes? I think it looks good that's all. It's a white flash with Blue outer rims it then changes to the color of the laser mixed with white and there is a small flame upon it's disapperance.

does anyone know how they created that twinkle to the stars effect back in 1980? I can't figure out if it's animated or it's lights on a starcloth or what?

My guess is that the twinkling star shots are a starcloth as you can see a lightsource bouncing off.. But I have no idea how they did it.

This Artist has the Original ESB starfield colors nailed check it.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/avanaut/10929663324/lightbox/

Yes exactly you got me 100% correct on the Aura Haze

I actually felt the same way as you about the stardield until the other week. I picked up the 2006 GOUT DVD.

I watched the asteroid field / chase and could not believe my eyes. It's been around 25 years seen I saw the Original film (not the special edition).

I finished watching the asteroid chase and then watched it about another 4 or 5 times and realised how I used to remmeber it so It was a nice moment.

But seeing this scene in particular and looking over stills and comparisons of all the three OT films I realised that all the color is gone from the starfields and the blacks are "Crushed" the contrast and the brightness have been tampered with (Brightness toned down probably for the best) and I looked at Harmys stills and they are all Black and white space starfields too.

So I will just post up some pics of what changed my mind and let you decide if you feel different or not. If we do get a HD restoration of the GOUT you may not be happy... Nah of course you will. If you have it watch it and really you need to see it in film as pictures really don't do it justice. But there is so much vibrancy in it it makes the SE look lifeless. But with that said there's more improvement to Hoth and Cloud city in the SE.

Ok had to stop writing to bid on a copy of "The Blob" 1988 remake and I won!! :)

So the result of the pitch black starfileds are everything gets sunken into the Black.... If like in the original films but perhaps not as extreme there are uses of Blue Black tones foreground objects become more prominent.

But I have a feeling this is not very easy because of the crushed blacks. I painted in a opaque brush and used tint in the mock up I did but this would be tricky as hell to achieve in something like the asteroid filed.:(

I also have a retrofit idea for this scene

When the executor pulls out of the asteroid field we should see that sun that happens to be visible from directly looking out the hole. And perhaps quite imposing

yeah I am no artist sorry about my skills but thanks for the feedback guys and yeah I probably way over did it. But I think it works in bringing the foreground more prominent a much subtler effect would work just as well.

As for the Aura Haze all I am saying is that again fading into black not straight cutting in to jet black. A much smaller Haze yeah for sure, but I think it should have a Haze more like in your 2nd photo.

Of course he knows what he is doing.. That's the Blu Ray not revisited.

Ady added a defined Aura to this shot which looks much better but in your 2nd photo you can clearly see the Blue Haze coming off the Aura the blue Haze is normal at that distance your photo backs it up. Not like in the Blu ray looks like they just cut the jet black star field into the shot.

The 1st photo photo looks as though it could have been digitally altered..

I am not critiquing his star fields or his work I am talking about Jet Black vs Black / blue tones to give the illusion of more depth.

If Ady wanted to do it he probably already would have done so, or it's a lot trickier than I think it is, or he simply does not like those star fields or the Blue Haze.

I like a lot of what the special editions did, but my personal preference although they can look shoddy at times the star fields appeared to have more depth in the gout because of the Dark Blue / Black and tint. That's what I mean shades of Black / blue.