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#315415
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Further proof GL has lost his mind... Clone Wars
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/315415/action/topic#315415
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I don't think your supposed to take the old marvel comic seriously enough to demand an explanation for why it doesn't cohere with the 14 billion subsequent EU stories. And that goes for any EU. Why doesn't it all cohere? Because its fucking EU thats why. Its impossible to have EU make sense when you consider the amount of sources available. Just read it, enjoy it where you can and don't give it too much thought.
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#315400
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Further proof GL has lost his mind... Clone Wars
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/315400/action/topic#315400
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Fang Zei said:

Here's my point with all this. Remember how people said ROTJ was where the trouble really began? Remember how by the time we got to ROTS they were calling it a Pixar film? I think this simply finishes it off by making it completely CG at last.


So the circle is complete? Thats an interesting way of looking at it. Though there were two Star Wars cartoon series in 1985, but they weren't connected to the series the way this one is.

Here's my point: In 1983 Lucas was saying "I'm never going to do another Star Wars, this is the end and the series has turned out good and been good to me and I hope you all like it as much as I do."
But then he made an Ewok feature film in 1985. Then he made not one but two cartoon series in 1985. Then a year or two later he made another Ewok movie. What the hell happened to "no more Star Wars"? But we shouldn't get our panties in a wad; those old shows you can easily ignore and this one you can too. The truth is there never will be an end to Star Wars, it'll go on forever, and eventually it'll be exhausted and milked to the point where theres nothing more that they can retcon because they've squeezed every possible story angle, and thats when they'll be forced to go back and remake it and start all over. When do you just say "okay, enough, I just like the originals"? You have to, at some point, because it will get to the point I've described here. So the quicker fans come to realise this the easier life will be. Just let go. This is all just mass product. Some of it is good, so take a gander once in a while and see what you like, but most of it will be crap.
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#315396
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Further proof GL has lost his mind... Clone Wars
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/315396/action/topic#315396
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Its likely a marketing thing. The Clone Wars appeals to all the 13 year old because thats always been LFL's biggest market, and right now they are all about Jedi battles, lightsaber fighting styles, Clone Wars, Anakin and Obi Wan, General Grievous and other PT stuff. The prime demographic right now is all about the PT. Thats why everything in the Star Wars Insider is entirely PT based.

But you know this kind of ascillary stuff has always been dumb, it just never tied directly into the films they way this one does. I mean The Ewok Adventure, hello?? If there was an internet in 1985 we'd probably be having this exact same conversation. At a certain point you have to just pick and choose which SW stuff you like, its just unfortunate that the amount of garbage has grown so big lately.
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#315341
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Further proof GL has lost his mind... Clone Wars
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/315341/action/topic#315341
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SilverWook said:

I think that's really a Bantha skeleton.


True, those ram horns seem to indicate that.

silverwook said:

I don't see visiting Tatooine again being a major continuity problem. I just can't see why any major battles would be taking place there.


Its not that it contradicts information, it just contradicts the characterisation of the other films. Tatooine is supposed to be a periphery planet, and the characters are supposed to be out of the loop. Instead we see that every freaking person in the entire series has been to it and met everyone; maybe Anakin and his padawan will drop in on the relatives nearby!

silverwook said:

I'm betting Obi Wan finds his future little house out over by the Dune Sea. ;)


That would actually be kind of neat, but its still a pretty big story deviation that he would discover this while on some clone war mission to Tatooine with Anakin, Anakin's padawan (sigh...) and a small army of clone troopers.
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#315336
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Further proof GL has lost his mind... Clone Wars
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/315336/action/topic#315336
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Well,

http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com/cw1.jpg

Thats no lens flare!

http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com/cw2.jpg
http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com/cw3.jpg

Not only is Anakin returning to Tatooine, but it looks like R2 is as well. And of course, because every single detail from the OT must be tied in and exploited, the Krayt dragon skeleton is there again. Maybe we'll find out that Anakin killed it :p (hey, thats not as unrealistic a possibility as it seems, given all this). Elsewhere there is a screenshot of Jabba the Hutt, apparently.
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#315301
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Further proof GL has lost his mind... Clone Wars
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/315301/action/topic#315301
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Crygor64 said:

Is this further proof that GL makes this stuff up as he goes along? Its seems that way.


http://www.starwars.com/theclonewars/news/img/20080212_1_sm.jpg
http://www.starwars.com/theclonewars/news/img/20080212_2_sm.jpg

With the Clone Wars on Tatooine, and Anakin partaking in the mission, it seems he really does. Its not that its bad that its made up as they go, just that it never stays consistent or within the same series. As far as I'm concerned I'm not really a Star Wars fan anymore because what is currently considered "Star Wars" is an entirely different franchise from the one I fell in love with. Not in a metaphorica, philosophical sense, but in a literal sense, the story and characters are different and exist in this weird alternate universe that bears a vague resemblance to that older series but is really a seperate remake of sorts.
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#315238
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Further proof GL has lost his mind... Clone Wars
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/315238/action/topic#315238
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Well I don't know, they could make it into a plot point that Anakin is being given a padawaan even though Obi Wan probably believes he's not ready. Maybe the clone war has wiped out so many Jedi that they can no longer assign padawaans just to Masters. Lucas isn't writing it or directing it, keep in mind, so I wouldn't rule out a thought-out justification of some kind. Whether its believable is another matter though.
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#315235
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Further proof GL has lost his mind... Clone Wars
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/315235/action/topic#315235
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Obi Wan had barely graduated as a padawaan when he got Anakin. But I guess that was a bit of an exception. By the films, I'm not sure theres even any sort of "rules" for when a person can get an apprentice except that it has to be approved by the Jedi Council--but, given the way the Jedi Council views Anakin (not very well) there better be a hell of an explanation as to how they thought it was a good idea to give him one.
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#314569
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Indiana Jones IV
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/314569/action/topic#314569
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Number20 said:

The difference between the Star Wars Trilogy and Indiana Jones Trilogy of the 80's and the new movies are that fans have been waiting for this movie for years and years. Yes, looking back on it, Star Wars Ep. I really wasn't that great. But people had been waiting for that film forever, and by the time it was actually close to coming out, people were in a frenzy for it. I think that even if Ep. I had been on par with ESB, I think people would of been dissapointed, because after all these years and all the talk about it, everyone's expectations were sky-high, and unrealistic. Its similar to comic book movies, where fanboys gripe that their favorite villian, minor character, or scenario didn't make the film, and so it sucked.

I can see the same thing happening with Indiana Jones. I don't think its a "blame it on the fans if it sucks", but just a "go into the film with realistic expectations"


I gotta disagree on that one. People wanted to love TPM, and they were ready to, but it just didn't deliver. I mean look at ROTS--its not even that good a movie, but people loved it. The public does not have very high standards, but Star Wars is held to higher standards because its on a level of its own, but not THAT high, not UNREALISTIC. Look at Return of the King--people had high expectations for it, and it delivered because it was a good movie.
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#314566
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The difference between fanatic Muslims and Christians...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/314566/action/topic#314566
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Right.

Except this thread isn't about suicide bombers, Jihadists and the like. It was about a few nuts in Kabul burning a flag in response to some Dutch film. Which A) is not a trait Christianity is innocent of, but more importantly B) is not representative of the reaction of the Muslim community at large, only some nuts in the worst place on Earth. Thats whats bad about making this comparison. The "difference between Muslims and Christians" was framed in terms of the context of this specific incident.
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#314544
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Indiana Jones IV
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/314544/action/topic#314544
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I don't think so, yeah people had high expectations for TPM but if it was a good movie they would have just enjoyed it. The didn't expect it to be average, the expected it to be above-average, which is not really anything crazy. TPM didn't die because of the hype, it died because it was lackluster. So yeah, if Indy IV is lackluster then people will get ticked off, as they should. Star Wars is on a different plane than Indy though--all we want with Indy is some good action and the same loveable character. As long as its got that then people will eat it up. And with Harrison Ford and Steven Spielberg, how could it not deliver?
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#314479
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Indiana Jones IV
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/314479/action/topic#314479
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Lord Phillock said:

that may be true, bkev....

but tell me this... according to my observation, why is the cinematography looking very distinct and "modern" as opposed to the older "Jones" movies? Look at the shot where Indy and Mac are cornered by the soldiers. Is that digital glow I see? Also, I hate the green tint in that shot. Not very natural. The old Indy movies never had those.

THAT made me feel a bit, well, sad.


Its shot by Kaminsky. Thats his style. I actually thought it was pretty neautral. Its higher contrast than the previous films, but thats because modern taste is contrast, whereas before modern taste was more high-key (ie Raiders looks the same as ET, Jaws, Close Encounters and any other Speilberg movie of that era). I really don't think its all that distracting, its not like Minority Report or War of the Worlds or anything, I think you have to accept some degree of modern updating when you are considering an Indiana Jones sequel in the year 2008.
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#314418
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New Hulk Film
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/314418/action/topic#314418
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Tiptup said:

zombie84 said:


Lets be thankful they drive hybrids and then fly personal jets, instead of driving Hummers and then fly personal jets.


Well, aside from the fact that I'd rather be thankful for things that actually matter, the difference between going on a shortly-timed trip in a Hummer and a Jet is so huge that you really shouldn't waste your time worrying about the Hummer right now.


As pathetic as it sounds, I actually am glad they are trying in whatever small practically insignificant way they are, because I expect absolutely nothing from them. But of course it gets beefed so far up in PR--"look at us! We're going green!" Yeah, sure. But hey, I can roll my eyes and thats one less gas guzzeller being used.
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#314417
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The difference between fanatic Muslims and Christians...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/314417/action/topic#314417
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Tiptup said:


. Other, generalized groups of people have similar problems but do not have them of the same size, do not tolerate them as much, and do not have as many beliefs that breed them.


I agree.

Tiptup said:

This was the only point I saw Arnie.d making and I think it is incredibly unfair to call him ignorant for that.


No, the thread was begun with the premise that the behavior of this incident is exclusive to Muslims. Which it is not. Moreover, it is only one isolated pocket of radicals in the most militant and radical region on the planet, thus it is terribly inaccuate to attach this to a group of a billion people spread over the entire world. Its ignorant to put Christianity on a pedestal like that.
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#314406
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New Hulk Film
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/314406/action/topic#314406
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reave said:


Edit: Well, there it is:
"Louis Leterrier had been interested in directing Iron Man (2008), but when Jon Favreau took that project Avi Arad offered him a sequel to Hulk (2003). In an attempt to depict their comic book films in the same universe, Marvel Studios gave 'Jr Robert Downey' a cameo as Tony Stark in this film."

This makes me want to puke green:
"The Incredible Hulk joined Toronto's Green-Screen initiative, to help cut carbon emissions and waste created during filming. Edward Norton had fun using a hybrid vehicle on set. Producer Gale Anne Hurd hopes the film will be a symbol of the drive to encourage less pollution from film productions."

There better not be any hippy-dippy save mother earth bullshit in this movie. Is anyone else sick of hollywood falling all over itself, to be more "green" than anyone else? Pat yourself on the back as you're flying your personal jets to NY for a weekend of shopping, f*#kers!


Lets be thankful they drive hybrids and then fly personal jets, instead of driving Hummers and then fly personal jets.
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#314331
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The difference between fanatic Muslims and Christians...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/314331/action/topic#314331
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lordjedi said:

10% of a billion is 100 million people. That's the number I've heard from some Muslims living in the states for the number of people that are extremists. "It's only about 10% of Muslims that are like this". Again, 10% of a billion is 100 million.

I don't know if that numbers accurate or not, but if it is, that's a lot of people with a lot of hate over something like a cartoon or something that's critical of their religious book.


Indeed it is. I have no idea how accurate that figure is either, but that sounds like a good guestimate just based on observations.

But again, comparing the middle-eastern world to the western world is one thing, comparing Islam to Christianity is ignorant. What is the percentage of extremist American Christians? The ones that attend gay marriage protests, burn Harry Potter books and want to kill doctors? Maybe 1%? That means there is roughly 1.6 million of these people in the USA. Saying "the difference between Muslims and Christians" is just stupid. Each has their bands of radical douchebags that are a serious danger to the world. And as far as Kabul is concerned, thats pretty much par for the course, so many of those people are so extreme, in a country where infidels are regularly stoned to death, previously by state law, this really shouldn't be news
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#314307
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The difference between fanatic Muslims and Christians...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/314307/action/topic#314307
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Johnboy3434 said:

zombie84 said:

And its not like Christians have a history of tolerance.


Yes, but then again, our major organizations have also managed to move past the totalitarian hate-monger phase. In fact, I'd say we're pretty damn tolerant right now, because we pretty much sit here and tolerate everything. Sure, we make a little noise now and then, but we hardly force our views on people. Actually, it mostly seems like secularists and the politically correct try to force their views on us.


I know, but in the context of "the difference between Muslims and Christians" thats not exactly true, especially with Christian extremists who protest gay marriage, hold book burnings, lynch homosexuals and bomb abortion clinics. I'm just saying its not exactly fair to make such a sweeping statement, especially when we are talking about less extreme things such as reacting to a film. I mean it was only a couple years ago when certain Christians were holding mass burnings of Harry Potter books and issuing death threat to JK Rowling. Not quite the same as condeming a whole country, I suppose. But its still unfair use one group of protestors in a militantly extreme region as a representative of a group of people that comprise over a billion individuals around the world. I don't see a billion people burning dutch flag--only some people in one of the most violent areas in the world.
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#314299
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The difference between fanatic Muslims and Christians...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/314299/action/topic#314299
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What else do people expect from Kabul?

I would be careful about making generalised comments about Muslim's though. Those people do not represent all Muslims, just some of those living in Kabul, which is one of the most extremist regions on the planet. Your average Muslim elsewhere in the world, while probably ruffled at the sight of seeing his or her religion criticised (as most religious folk are), does not burn flags or stage aggressive protests. Even though this sort of thing is a pretty typical middle-eastern reaction, its not typical of "Muslims" in general. And its not like Christians have a history of tolerance.