yotsuya

Looking forward to it. The colors are incredible.

This, like some of your other projects, leaves me with a very magenta feeling, Particularly the concrete and cinder-blocks in the first image. Like I usually do when I question a correction, I layered the before and after images, and I think you removed about twice as much as you should have. Call it the monitor (that I do photo corrections and print jobs on that produces accurate print/scan comparisons time after time) or my color aesthetic, but you went from very warm to very cold and missed the sweet spot in the middle. I’m just not a fan of pink clouds.

Jim Smith said:

AveKender said:

I am going to see the film on Dec 14 and I am not really sure why.

TFA was basically Market Research: The Movie.

This is shaping up to be Market Research Episode II: Revenge of the Focus Group.

But there is still a recognizable kernel of Star Wars in there and I think that is what compels me to show up.

That’s pretty funny. I’m really dreading seeing the purple-haired girl and the fat asian hipster looking girl in The Last Jedi. Star Wars is about escapism. It should not be about reminding you about the types of clowns that walks around in everyday life.

And yet the original is filled with 70’s hairstyles and side burns… just the types of clowns walking around in everyday life back when the film came out.

Looks beautiful. Wonderful job.

There are two components to this. First is the sound unit on the projector. It has to be able to read the stereo soundtrack. Sometime in the early 80’s, the last projectors that required a mono print either vanished or were no longer supported. Theaters could upgrade the sound unit and not the speakers. Many theaters could play stereo soundtrack but only had mono speakers. Of the 15 screens in my city when I was going to movies a lot (mid 80’s to late 90’s), at least 9 only had a lone mono speaker but they all used the same stereo prints.

Once you have the sound unit that can read the soundtrack off the film, you can play it as mono, stereo, or surround depending on what other hardware you had. Mono and stereo were mainly amplifiers and speakers. Surround required the surround sound processor to decode the 4 tracks.

I would love to see a nice grindhouse scan of ANH SE. But I think the only part I really want is reel 3 (where all the unique bits to the 97 SE are). My interest is in the colors and the unique bits that got changed for the DVD relese for the trilogy.

I would call it “stereo tracked mono”

ZigZig said:

ZaneFlare92 said:

If memory serves correctly, I believe the shot of Watto yelling Sebulba is in the Extended scene of the Complete Podrace Grid Sequence .

Your memory serves correctly!
But other scenes remains missing in HD.

What parts remain SD only:

• arrival on Coruscant: from Palpatine’s office to Anakin talking with Jar Jar (was replaced by another taxi scene on DVD, HDTV and BR)
• Senate scene : human extras replaced by Aliens on DVD, HDTV and BR
• Naboo’s palace : one bridge added in HD (on DVD, HDTV and BR)
• CGI effects re-rendered in HD : windows reflects added, background sharpener (ia clouds in night sky) (on DVD, HDTV, BR)
• entire HDTV version suffers from Digital Edge Enhancement (halo artifacts), and entire BR version suffers from DNR
• entire HD version is missing theatrical colors (too much red everywhere in HDTV and DVD, all scenes manually regraded for BR)
• entire HDTV and DVD versions are missing 15% of the image because too much cropped (ia there is a second moon near Coruscant that is only visible on BR)
• entire BR version is missing original Yoda puppet
  -… (I probably forget other points)

The main HD lacks are the arrival on Coruscant, human extras in Senate and bridge near Naboo Palace. Other points are less important (but still missing in HD).

I’m actively working on a HD theatrical reconstruction (missing scenes can be achieved by merging NTSC and PAL sources - LD and TV broacasts, as spOrv calls this process “PaNUp” ™ ). It takes time but everything goes well.

I would like to see where some of these things are. Can you provide the time/frame number for where the extra bridge is and an example of the the rerendered sky and window reflections.

When Sebulba is introduced to the crowd, there is more than one shot that is affected. The clip of Watto yelling his name is in the extended podrace sequence, but the rest of the pices that are missing from that spot are not.

Not that it applies, but according to one source, an R2 unit is needed to both repair the ship and to plot hyperspace travel. A full fledged Jedi can plot their own hyperspace travel so if the X-wing was in good repair, he wouldn’t need an R2 unit in the back to fly the ship.

ray_afraid said:

yotsuya said:

SilverWook said:

Mocata said:

Interestingly it’s appeared in various other places, like videogames from the acceptable Rogue Squardon titles (I forget if the third included it outside co-op) to the almost unplayable Rebel Assault. On film I think the nonsensical ending to ROTJ SE is the only example. They still producd a whole bunch of toys anyway of course.

I’m surprised Kenner never made one back in the day, as they started making vehicles like the Imperial Troop transporter, which never appeared on screen. Then again, with the exception of the die cast mini, we never got a Y-Wing until the ROTJ line.

Yeah, the skyhopper didn’t see fruition until the Power of the Force line. I ended up with two of them thanks to a flood.

Did the flood wash one outta the neighbors house and into yours?

No, the local comic store flooded and because I helped with the clean up, I was able to get some of the unsellable items.

SilverWook said:

Mocata said:

Interestingly it’s appeared in various other places, like videogames from the acceptable Rogue Squardon titles (I forget if the third included it outside co-op) to the almost unplayable Rebel Assault. On film I think the nonsensical ending to ROTJ SE is the only example. They still producd a whole bunch of toys anyway of course.

I’m surprised Kenner never made one back in the day, as they started making vehicles like the Imperial Troop transporter, which never appeared on screen. Then again, with the exception of the die cast mini, we never got a Y-Wing until the ROTJ line.

Yeah, the skyhopper didn’t see fruition until the Power of the Force line. I ended up with two of them thanks to a flood.

If you really hate the idea of Abrams directing IX - someone has started a petition.
https://www.change.org/p/kathleen-kennedy-lucasfilm-remove-j-j-abrams-as-director-of-star-wars-episode-ix

SilverWook said:

Universal reissued Buck as individual season sets in 2012. (Single sided discs this time.) Season One has the two parter now. Not sure if they kept the movie version.
Uni’s double sided discs seem to go bad so often I dread revisiting my complete series set.

I’ll have to look into that. With Battlestar Galactica they issued the multipart in the box set and they issued the movie version separately. I saw both the BG and BR movies in the theater.

I keep forgetting that senate scene. I was not aware of the bridge and reflections. And how can you tell that the clouds are sharper when we are talking about a much sharper image in the first place. I don’t know of any source to really compare the film clouds to the BR clouds. And shots that have been recolored are easier to fix than uprezing shots that are completely different.

Also, when I compared the theatrical version from the broadcast sources, the LD, HDTV, and BR, I did not come up with that many missing frames. And I’ve gotten very good at finding those.

The DVD set of the series has the theatrical version, not the 2 part episodic version which features some different scenes.

There is less than a minute of the film that is not in HD (not including the low quality Qui-gon shot). It is only when Sebulba is introduced to the crowd and when it cuts from the platform after they arrive on Coruscant to the apartment building. Aside from that everything appears to be available in the HDTV preservation of the DVD cut.

Lord Tobias said:

DominicCobb said:

Wait Lord Tobias, do you even like Star Wars?

new hope and most of empire strikes back and the disney stuff that doesnt touch who darth vader is related to(rebels)

Like Rogue One?

Lord Tobias said:

ray_afraid said:

DominicCobb said:

Wait Lord Tobias, do you even like Star Wars?

He obviously doesn’t like the OT, so I have no idea why he’s here.
Oh, I know. Because he thinks his opinion is “edgy” and “different” and may cause a ruckus.
It’s none of those things.

Let us not pretend that darth vader becoming Luke’s father was a good idea…it was not
Ah, but it was. That is one of the many story points that makes TESB the best of the films. Kersher was known for his character oriented stories and that was the main reason Lucas hired him to direct. He pulled all the emotion he could out of the script and in my mind it is only exceeded in the saga by the Luke/Vader/Palpatine scenes on the Death Star. From the ranking thread, the majority of OT members feel TESB is the best of all the films. That seems to carry over to the public at large as well. So you are really arguing against the trend to complain about what most consider the best movie and the most the most iconic line from that movie. Back in 1980, most of us couldn’t believe that it was true. It blew us away and it was awesome.

Lord Haseo said:

Tack said:

Lord Haseo said:

Either that or scour the Earth for a more competent writer and just have JJ direct.

That would be a decent solution. I can admit JJ’s writing is nothing that gets me too excited exactly. However, I think he’s the kind of director where the script makes or breaks the final product. It is fair to mention that both the Trek films he directed also had two terrible Hollywood writers. Although '09 was better… So maybe their work is just on a spectrum.

Then again they also wrote ‘The Legend of Zorro’ and ‘Transformers’ so I don’t know what to believe.

JJ has definitely gotten more shit thrown at him than he deserves, but even with Kasdan he still couldn’t produce a great script. I can sense JJ’s influence in the bad aspects of TFA and the rest of the ST doesn’t need to be plagued with a writer who’s that hit or miss. To be blunt, the elements that will make Star Wars thrive for decades to come isn’t in JJ’s skill set.

Before TFA, Lucas had crafted all the stories. Lucas knows how to write an ending. Abrams doesn’t. I consider the Ach-to segment in TFA to be discardable epilogue. Kasdan is a good screen writer, but it was Lucas who created TESB and ROTJ, not Kasdan. Lucas has sole story credit on all 6 films. What IX needs is a good story and for Kennedy to hounds Abrams to follow the story and not do his own thing. He is a good director, but a bad story teller. This could work, but knowing how Hollywood works, the chances are slim.

DominicCobb said:

yotsuya said:

Let’s start with Lost. When you create a series as intriguing as that, you really need a clear idea of where you are going. So regardless of how long Abrams was involved, the lack of an ending falls on his shoulders.

No. What the fuck, that literally makes no sense. TV shows are created all the time with no idea of what an ending might be. Abrams has nothing at all to do with whether you like the end of Lost or not. That’s just so fucking stupid.

Oh really? I know quite a few series that have very definite story lines and they story, though changed somewhat, ends pretty much as originally intended. The best example is Babylon 5. Lost setup a scenario that should have been known from the beginning. And any good writer knows that the best way for the ending to pack a punch is to know the ending when you start out. You work toward it, you have plenty of opportunity to throw in hints and foreshadowing, and really build it up. Abrams has no concept of this and that makes him incompetent. He has proven this over and over again.

After hearing you say it is more of a blueprint than a truly polished edit, I will hold back some of my complaints. It is a bit rough, but I find using what I believe is the Hindi audio for Jar Jar to be inspired. You didn’t actually change the meaning of his dialog, but just the different voice made a big difference. I have only watched the first part of TPM, AOTC, and Clone Wars, but your edits are clearly an improvement. But you really do need a better audio source for Jar Jar’s lines. The one you used is kind of jarring at times. And you really need to replace everything Jar Jar says, not just his main dialog. But your edit of Kenobi and Skywalker’s dialog when they meet Padme in ATOC is right in line with what I’ve been thinking that scene needed. The master/padawan relationship shouldn’t take away from their friendship like it does in the theatrical cut.

Let’s start with Lost. When you create a series as intriguing as that, you really need a clear idea of where you are going. So regardless of how long Abrams was involved, the lack of an ending falls on his shoulders. The fact that they couldn’t pull it out seems to be because he likes creating things that don’t go anywhere. The number of plot holes on TFA that you have to just accept for the action to lead to the map is appalling. Very bad writing.

His work in Star Trek is full of plot holes. He is the plot hole king. His lack of familiarity with the material is glaring. He made some loud, bright, fun movies, but no substance. Both Star Trek and Star Wars have substance and Abrams has had 4 tried and not captured that substance once. From the comments about his other work that I haven’t seen, that is the norm.

The man is a good director, but he is a bad writer and a bad editor (while directors don’t often actually do the edits, they are still in charge during the editing process). The only hope for this film if he is directing is if his co-writer does the hard work and the ending and if Kennedy supervises him during the editing process. Otherwise IX will end on a whimper or maybe a WTF. I really wish that Rian was going to write it and co-direct it. That might save it. Abrams has no sense of story. He does great characters and scenes, but string them together into a story isn’t one of his talents.

NeverarGreat said:

ray_afraid said:

Tobar said:

NeverarGreat said:

JJ Abrams is entirely unsuited to third acts, at least in a writing capacity.

So sadly this. 😦

What’s the track record here? Do most of his projects fall apart at the end?
I’m really not very familiar with JJ’s works. I’ve seen the Trek reboot and TFA. Thought both were “meh” but not bad.
And he had something to do with Cloverfield, which I liked quite a bit.

He was the Producer of Cloverfield.

In terms of writing, he was involved with Super 8, Lost, TFA, Armageddon, and Mission: Impossible 3, among a few others that I haven’t seen. I also haven’t seen Lost but it’s infamous for flubbing the ending, so I’ll count it. Of these projects, Super 8, Lost, and TFA have fumbled their endings. Armageddon and MI3 were serviceable in this regard, but one of these was a verifiable mess throughout. So really my hope for Episode 9 rests entirely on the strength of Mission Impossible 3, and that gives me copious amounts of pause.

What he did with Trek and TFA has made me hate him.

Abrams did Lost. I don’t know of anyone who liked how it ended. His Star Trek movies sucked. TFA has major issues in terms of basic story telling. Abrams is the absolute worst person to pick for IX. I officially predict it will suck. It will be pretty, it will have great characters, but the story will have major holes and the ending will be meh. IX needs an epic ending and Abrams is the worst person to deliver that. God help us if he has anything to do with the writing of it. With a good script it stands a chance (though Abrams will likely screw up the editing like he did in TFA), but I predict he will have a hand in writing it and he will edit it and it will be the worst Star Wars movies I have ever seen. I will see it though, but I expect to be disappointed.