Just want to announce that, holy crap, I've just bought tickets to see Nathan Fillion (and I suppose Shatner [again], 3 TNG actors, McGyver, a Ghostbuster, and the Species chick) at Dallas Comic Con this May!
Sorry, this was wildly off topic. I was tired and not thinking straight to have put this here. Still excited, though. :-)
Oh, and I get to call the little mouse droid "Tobor"! We can do it up Rifftrax style when we don't have anything insightful to say...
Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
michaelkirschner said:
What we could do is record the commentary of us watching the AVCHD version of 2.1 once that gets released and then send the file to Harmy for him to incorporate into the 2.1 Blu-ray special features
As long as I get to say "close the blast doors!" :)
My thoughts almost exactly MichaelKirschner.
In that case, I get dibs on "Open the blast doors! Open the blast doors!" (give some balance to your alternate audio track flair). That or I could exaggerate when the stormtrooper hits his head...
And we should dub over Aunt Beru just for the heck of it, I'm sure George probably always wanted to give that a third go around.
Interesting, and it wouldn't even have to be part of an official release, it can be us responding to watching 2.1 and have it as a separate downloadable affair...
EDIT: and I mean it'd be GOUT-synced, of course.
I suppose you could read Star Wars poetry...
@Buck you might want to consider grabbing V1.0 of ANH for a fun before and after.
@hairy, thanks for your effort on providing fantastic original version audio tracks!
Actually, a faneditor commentary would be a really neat thing. The Phantom Editor did similar, actually, and that was very informative and insightful. I can only imagine what all Harmy would have to say on the subject of his restoration. Not that I want the 2.1 to wait for it, but if he feels inspired to eventually do such a track, that'd be a great reason to have a 2.5 release down the line.
ESB and ROTJ are both still V1 (therefore only DVD-9 sized AVCHD), Harmy is working on V2.1 of ANH at this moment, with the others to follow eventually.
You're probably seeing the old V1 DVD-9 sized AVCHD and the V2.0 MKV, both of which you can disregard quickly as V2.1 is about to come out *fingers crossed*.
(Also, your question is probably covered in the very first post of this thread)
Oh wow, I didn't expect commentary. Looking forward to that, thanks!
I agree with much of that, but if he already has hairy_hen's 5.1 in DTS-HD, then there is no reason to change that to DD 640k (and introducing even more loss in the reencoding process as well) since, as you said, it includes a core DTS file for backwards compatibility. I can't think of any time in the last decade I've been unable to playback DTS on anything; but even if there's a hardware limitation due to a very, very old receiver or the like, software playback is an option to take care of it and pass on something usable. Anyone who can't play DTS has (correctable) issues beyond what they should bug Harmy with.
(what I've learned today: BD is not stuck at DVD's DD bitrate limit of 448kbps, but instead tops out at 640kbps)
Thanks for the concise explanation. I'd say the '85 is something I could get behind including for completion and nostalgia's sake, even though I'd probably stick to the 5.1 mix for the majority of viewings.
DTS-HD MA and PCM are the best options available that are compatible with Blu-ray which will not introduce additional loss to the material. Which is the real point of "lossless" as far as all of our sources go, since we have no master-like quality available to us. As far as turning your flac mono into something useful, if not DTS-HD MA or PCM, then a good bitrate DTS or DD should be acceptable, as long as you try not to choke it too much on bitrate.
One question I have is (if a link to some other discussion is enough to explain, that'd be fine), what does this '85 home mix offer in comparison to the '93 and non-mono '77? (Okay, I also am not sure what it is '93 [definitive LD sourced, I'm sure] has that's different or desirable either.)
If you're wanting to stitch audio together and adjust things as well, you could try Audacity, it is free and open source and works on Windows as well as Linux. I use it for all my Rifftrax projects.
That's great news, really looking forward to seeing it.
So, will most of the Mos Eisley fixes be from -1 rather than GOUT now?
Oh, we're all infected long before now, just admit it.
Ah, okay Harmy, I see the difference now, sorry for participating in the confusion.
Actually, I think it is more that he is going to put out an easier to render, lower bitrate AVCHD version of it first (v2.1) and hold off for the more time consuming Blu-ray encode (being the m2ts, and v2.5 if any changes occur) till after that is viewed and approved of.
I don't think it would be difficult at all for the subset of people wanting to convert the video to just select the file they want from a batch torrent (if they're converting a complex video from one file format to another, they should be smart enough to understand an instruction on how to download just what they need), and I agree the torrent would probably seed much better as a whole (you can also count that someone converting from a format they don't want will likely not keep the unwanted file and therefore not contribute to seeding said torrent anyway); but, Harmy has his reasons in his head and if he's happier making it easier on those who probably won't seed the torrent, then I won't argue with him, he's got enough to deal with in making these great film recreations as it is.
Actually, one solution that might fulfill both sides of this is if the m2ts torrent puts the file in the same directory structure as it would be in a usable Blu-ray structure, so if you download both to the same parent directory it is usable as a Blu-ray without having to move anything (unless the folders try to overwrite each other in some odd way...), but if someone downloads just the movie, they don't waste the extra bandwidth (just have to go down a few directories and grab the really hard to miss gigantic files). Not that this is at all better than one torrent, but it is a fun way to do the same thing in a far more complicated fashion.
In the end, someone would probably just make a complete torrent that everyone will jump over to and seed instead, if people feel that works better for them. So, if one way or the other turns out to be better than whatever Harmy decides to do, things will course correct on their own eventually, no biggie.
Thought I'd pop in and see if there might be any progress update you could give us on this preservation?
Thanks for keeping us updated Harmy, we eagerly await the results of your hard work.
As for the eventual BD, you say that you'll release the M2TS and the BD structure separately, my question about that is multi-layered, firstly is that due to alleviating confusion or just lessening how much has to be downloaded for those wanting .mkv? If it is about space, then I'd like to inquire how large of a BD you're planning to encode? I remember you talking about including many fantastic bonus features, but I'm not sure where you landed on including them on each feature release or as one supplemental BD at the end, etc. Mostly wondering if I should prepare for burning a BD-25 or BD-50.
Also, with your most recent semester over, are you planning to jump into ESB hardcore, while there are less distractions, or take a [deserved] break and pace yourself?
Thanks for the invites guys, it is nice to be prepared for Harmy's sure to be amazing release. And with how little there's probably left to be done on the community input side of things to help Harmy get ready at this point, it isn't too over the top to expect for a page or two of comments to be taken over by spleen invites, the excitement is just palpable, I think.
If the Empire thread gets taken over by such requests, that's where I'd draw a line, since that's likely to be the next happenin' place with lots of valuable input to be had.
Anyway, very excited here, I can't wait to see how Harmy can possibly improve over the 2.0, the de-midichlorian'd Force is strong with him.
Oh, and if anyone could toss a new myspleen invite my way, I'd greatly appreciate the PM. Thanks.
Well, I finally grabbed the 2.0 release to see what initial improvements there were over the HDTV version. Overall it looks pretty promising, though I'm not sure about some of the skin colors in the dessert scenes, but considering how much work you've done since then, I'm sure the colors will be exactly as they should be.
One thing I just noticed, though, which may need to be looked into, about 7 seconds into the start of the cantina scene, I heard something weird in the rear right audio channel (EDIT: looks like it is in front and rear right channels), it sounds kind of like a person accidentally recorded himself talking for a second. Am I crazy or does this stick out to anyone else?
EDIT 2: Looks like it is in at least 3 of the audio tracks, so I guess it is supposed to be there, but it still sounds out of place in a way...