yoda-sama

Actually, we may as well try to push past the safe boundaries with the DeEd, it might make people bother to try setting up their TV's better.  I hate to think of how many people will watch it in a way that doesn't reflect Harmy's original vision.

(That and it may also help get people to turn off motion compensation while they're poking around in their TV's settings, that psychedelic madness must end!)

Moth3r said:

Thought this guide may be useful to others:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/How-to-play-Despecialized-Edition-V25-on-a-PS3-if-you-dont-have-a-BD-burner/topic/15996/

I did notice a couple of points I'd like to ask about if you ever decide to do a V3.0, but I don't want to take anything away from what you've achieved here. Great work!

Nice guide, Moth3r, but one question about it.  I see that you didn't extract the chapters (which, actually, I'm surprised to see appear as a track), and when you muxed it looks like it put in chapters at automated 5 minute intervals.  Is there any way to preserve the GOUT chapters or is this a required sacrifice to get it to work with a PS3?

Harmy said:

Thanks for making the case for the DeEd, Klasodeth, but this was actually discussed before I have have said that I have no intention of putting the Despecialized Edition title in the main menu.

Harmy certainly deserves all the credit in the world, but I have to agree with the decision not to draw too much attention up front to the fan-edit/restoration nature of the feature film.  The naming, while perfectly accurate and acceptable, usually proves confusing to the uninitiated, causing many instances where I've had to overly explain the concept when bestowing the DeEd on someone new.  I find it nicer to let a person experience the movie as theatrically accurate as possible, and later explain how it came to be (also, if they're aware of the origin, I can't seem to help but point out the more complicated changes [okay, I end up pointing out most fixes] and ruin the experience to an extent by bringing up horrible SE changes all the time).

I think you mean he changed it in the 80's for VHS, Television and--if I'm not mistaken--theatrical rereleases.  The title was not a new change for the '97 SE's.

RATLSNAKE said:

yoda-sama said:

Not sure if anyone else has noticed this yet, but the project is getting a little more attention (a coworker that didn't know about this project or that I follow it found this article and showed it to me). 

http://penny-arcade.com/report/article/the-making-of-the-best-version-of-star-wars...-which-of-course-you-cant-get

The moment I saw the author refer to this movie as 'A New Hope', I stopped reading & died a little inside.

Jackasses like this are a small part of what killed Star Wars as it was. When you have a few million small parts like this, you get a world where it's accepted & we get films like the prequels & the 4th Indiana Jones film. :(

In all fairness, it is not his fault he grew up with the ANH crawl, it is Lucas' fault.  All we can hope to do is reeducate with accurate restorations and resolutely correcting inaccuracies when we find them (perhaps you should leave a comment on that page to make the author aware of his misinformation).  But I get where you're coming from, and it is sad how well some aspects of the revisionist history of Star Wars have stuck so well.

(Oh, and another way it could be taken [now that I've reread the article], besides him just trying to be clear to others who know even less than him about the project and earlier changes to Star Wars, is that when he says "Despecialized Edition of A New Hope", it could be referring to the SE Star Wars as A New Hope, which the Despecializtion effectively undoes...  Or to better word, while the film Harmy made is specifically original theatrical "Star Wars", it would still be accurate to refer to it as the Despecialized Edition OF A New Hope, since that was the source it was despecialized from.  Just a fun thought.  And actually, that line of thinking would even clear the way for BD cover art with Ep IV ANH DeEd emblazoned across it.  Let the arguments commence.)

I know the proper channels and all, but ignoring all that, gosh, I can't believe I have to ask this, myspleen has apparently forgotten me already, even though I've been uploading solidly since I grabbed 2.1 (and on other star wars related things as well)...  I just don't get it...  Anyway, anyone mind inviting me back so I can grab 2.5?  Actually, why the hell am I still uploading if it counts for nothing?  This is twice now...

Anyway, if anyone can help who is familiar with me, I'd appreciate it.

George Lucas really put the "edit" in "Special Edition".

Not sure if anyone else has noticed this yet, but the project is getting a little more attention (a coworker that didn't know about this project or that I follow it found this article and showed it to me). 

http://penny-arcade.com/report/article/the-making-of-the-best-version-of-star-wars...-which-of-course-you-cant-get

TV's Frink said:

djchaseb said:

 

 

I don't know, there's too many options for me.

Mark does look confused, seems he's gotten to the point that he's given up and won't even look at the options anymore...

Page 400!!!  Whoohooo!!!!

Harmy, I've begun asking around with some people I talk to at another site that do a lot of Blu-ray reauthoring (to add extra subtitles and/or audio tracks, etc.), to see what they have to say about the process.  I haven't heard much about what this one guy in particular uses (though I think it is mostly Scenarist), but his main bit of advise/caution was that you should be mindful of not going past the max bitrate, which includes all video, audio and subtitle stream bitrates at any given time.  So, the amount of audio tracks you want shouldn't be a problem, as long as there isn't too much data (even if just a spike) to stay within BD specs.  What I take from that is maybe we can't have more than just a few lossless tracks, or we could start running into bitrate issues...  I'll let you know if I hear more.  Also, do you have any questions you'd like me to pass along?

TV's Frink said:

hairy_hen said:

Personally, I blame Zoidberg.

That's perfectly cromulent.

...

No one should put any of this stuff ahead of RL.  Take your time, and best of luck.

I laughed at this, but still, you're mixing Futurama and The Simpsons, which makes your reference incromulent.

Just want to point out that "lossless" isn't the only important point of the new audio tracks from Hairy_hen, he is using more professional tools this time around which have reportedly been giving much better audio channel separation on the matrix'd surround (reconstruction of the 7 channel sound the '93 mix was downmixed from).  So, the new audio mix should sound much better than just a simple bitrate difference.  And still, if the source happens to be analog rather than PCM, there's still a point in putting out his improved track as lossless, so as to keep from losing even more information to additional compression (you lose a little bit every time you reencode "lossy").

Personally, I'm really looking forward to it, and would like to see the 2.5 ship with it in all mediums, if we can get word from Hairy_hen on the status of the new tracks...

I want to hit 400 pages on this thread as much as the next guy, but discussing despecializing deleted scenes is not the proper way to get there.  Let's make these last few pages count!

Flying in the face of what I just said, Boba Fett was an SE addition to that scene, right?

"2.X,s"  This isn't some crappy Apple product...

Happy Birthday Harmy!  I sincerely hope you enjoy your special day, you deserve it.

doubleofive said:

 

Papercut said:

Wow, just image what ILM could do if they really wanted to?

They wouldn't have to do anything. NO ONE would have to do anything but scan the film and make sure it wasn't damaged. If ILM had to recreate all of the original effects, they'd end up making another SE, as recreating the effects was the original plan until George saw Jurassic Park.

 

Well, things likely also depend on just how far back they go with their film elements, would they be transferring from negatives with optical effects already composited, or would they have to separately scan then arrange the live action film with the effects footage?  It'd look good being put back together from scratch (with every layer of the final image cleaned/corrected individually), and possibly end up reasonably close to how it was in the original, but likely they would introduce some sensible "improvements", as they did in ESB where they made snowspeeder cockpits no longer see-through (and more often likely introducing many unintended differences).  It kind of comes down to what there is left to work with and what specific film elements it was that Lucas claimed to have "destroyed" when he made the SE (if he wasn't lying about that, as well).

Zer0Squared said:

Hal 9000 said:

I think he was making a joek. 

Ohhhh... lol.  I get it now.

I *was* going to argue the point of compressing it down ruining the whole point of the conversions but...

My bad.  Just woke up and the coffee hasn't kicked in yet. :)

Move along.....move along...

Say what you will about quality, but I for one am still raring to overwrite my old official full screen VHS copies of the Original Trilogy with this widescreen goodness!

Finally a newsletter!  Later biatches!

As a Linux user, I wholeheartedly agree with that sentiment, but at the same time "security through obscurity" has its biggest problems when the thing in question has more visibility and is subject to higher scrutiny.

There is the argument that Linux is more secure because it is better written and the code is open for in-depth review, where Windows just hides its gaping security holes; while that is all true in a respect, Windows has so much more of a virus problem than Linux primarily because it is more widely used, making it a higher value target for attacks.  Heck, even the Linux base of Android isn't keeping it from getting tons of malware, now that it is a prominent OS.  So, I think that, even with the huge shortcomings of a "security through obscurity" model, there is something to be said for keeping a low profile.

I'd agree that less visibility is better on a project of this sort, regardless of our truly good intentions.  We should probably hold off on trying to help the masses find Original Version salvation till well after Jedi 2.x is released, since the ultimate point here is that the DE gets made in the first place.

cain spaans said:

yoda-sama said:

lpd said:

Han Shot. Full stop. Greedo never got a shot off.

I should copyright that and have it printed on t-shirts

I've been trying to come up with a good way of saying "Han was the only one to shoot", since I completely agree.  "Han Shot."  Works rather well.

I know Disney makes the color brighter on their "special editions" and that's all so if Disney repackages this it might have the theatrical version remastered unlike the 2006 GOUT but it won't be nearly as good as this

Okay, stuff like this is why we were being snarky earlier, I have NO IDEA what you think you're replying to, are you even reading what we're saying before you start typing?  It is like you're some kind of bot performing a Turing Test on us or something...

lpd said:

Han Shot. Full stop. Greedo never got a shot off.

I should copyright that and have it printed on t-shirts

I've been trying to come up with a good way of saying "Han was the only one to shoot", since I completely agree.  "Han Shot."  Works rather well.

Well, I'll be sure to do my part.

Still, let's not do anything to get in the way of this thread hitting 400 pages by the time 2.5 comes out and we all move on to destroy the ESB 2.0 thread.