TV's Frink said:
The thread title has me confused. Are we talking about prostitution?
You're looking for the "Paying for It" thread.
Gaffer Tape said:
However, if you're genuinely buying it used, as in buying it from someone who originally bought it and then decided to no longer have it, then that's a different story. You're not creating any more demand the product. You're simply creating a situation wherein one unique copy is being effectively shared between two or more people, when it would previously have only been meant for one.
Except you ARE still lowering supply. If you buy it, someone else can't. It doesn't have the same effect that buying it new would, but it will still have some effect. You're increasing the "final destinations" for the BD by 1.
But wouldn't that even out? The person you're buying it from lowered the supply by one.
It depends on whether they'd sell it to anyone but you. If you are the only potential buyer, then it doesn't really make a difference. But if they might have sold it to someone else- now they can't and that person will look elsewhere to also give it a permanent home.
On the other hand... if this person is only selling to you... and they know you'll pay them for it when they've "used it", then that might have encouraged them to make a purchase they wouldn't have otherwise made- knowing that they'll eventually resell it to you. So, yes, two people used it instead of one, but the purchase was ultimately still made with your money.
These movies are perhaps different in a key way when compared to most other disposable entertainment. People putting $80+ down on the set are not as likely to watch it once and then try to offload it on the next victim (as most, say, video games). People are generally buying these to put on their shelves for all time. Because, Hey! It's Star Wars. On Blu Ray.
^^ Needs more "Chewie: [Nrahahawah.]"
LA-LA-LA, NOT LISTENING!
Gaffer Tape said:
Xhonzi's logic is sound...
Thanks!
However, if you're genuinely buying it used, as in buying it from someone who originally bought it and then decided to no longer have it, then that's a different story. You're not creating any more demand the product. You're simply creating a situation wherein one unique copy is being effectively shared between two or more people, when it would previously have only been meant for one.
Except you ARE still lowering supply. If you buy it, someone else can't. It doesn't have the same effect that buying it new would, but it will still have some effect. You're increasing the "final destinations" for the BD by 1.
You're not creating a new middleman.
And I'm not sure what you mean by saying that there isn't a new middleman. In my post, I meant that the eBay seller is yet another middle man. Maybe a new one, maybe not. I don't think it matters.
Also, consider this: The fewer people buying on eBay (and the same number of Discs available) would generally mean lower bids. The lower the price eBay copies are going for, the more competition there will be for the B&M or Online sellers, the lower the "new" prices will drop, the lower returns that retailers will earn, the less happy they'll be with stocking the item in the first place.
Pennsylvania Jones said:
Here's a few of questions to the Old Timers of the Off-Topic (section) of the (website for the) Original Theatrical (version) of the Original Trilogy (The OTotOTotOTotOT):
What was it like seeing Han Shoot First in the theater?
What was it like seeing a more natural binary sunset in technicolor?
Why do people keep making jokes about Frink's mom?
Did you really want answers to these questions...
Or did you just want an excuse to use OTotOTotOTotOT?
Very well done, BTW.
none said:
^ RotS Han child concept sketch
Hmmm... so Chewie and Dumb Kid Han Solo both knew Yoda before Luke met him... AND before they knew each other?
Yoda must be some kind of galactic match maker... except that he almost set Luke up with his sister...
But seriously, I guess you don't need Ghost Ben Kenobi in ESB anymore...
Luke: I'm just not sure what to do as a Jedi! I wish Ben were here.
Chewie: [Nrahahawah.]
Han: He's right, Luke. You should just go hang with our main man Yoda for a bit. I'm sure he'll set you up.
Luke: I wish I could... but how could I ever find him?
Han: Chewie, where's your space cell phone? I know you still have that gantsta on speed dial!
Chewie: [Guffahashahwah] (takes his space phone from that pouch he always wore and hands it to Luke).
Luke: What did he say?
Han: He says he's part of his 'favourite five' so it won't even use his minutes.
^Sorry, that was the thought that popped into my head. I couldn't stop thinking about it.
Blue milk.
Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
For me, Vader's silence was much more complex. You didn't know what was really going on in his head...
Now we do.
He was thinking "Nooooooooo!"
(shamefully stolen from the Amazon 5 star review)
Bingowings said:
Waiting until an overstocked Amazon reduces it's prices however reduces their resell profits and maybe encourages them to stock less Lucas sets in the future, reducing the amount that Lucas takes.
True. Not as much as "just not buying it" though.
Thrift or charity shops are the best option for me because that route has no direct connection to Lucas and you are giving you money to a good cause.
Master Sifo-Dyas said:
Alas, buying 2nd hand (from your neighbour, who doesn't want them anymore, for example), is a different thing.
Lucasfilm still keeps the money he gave them, but they don't get your's - your neighbour get's it. So they sold one copy less.
This is also true. Assuming your friend doesn't replace his/her copy. But you are still taking a unique copy out of the martketplace. Maybe your friend wouldn't actually sell it to anyone else, so it's either they keep it or you do. Doesn't seem to really matter in this case. Unless you encouraged the purchase in the first place.
The charity shop doesn't solicit specific goods- so that doesn't actually create a market pull to get more copies- but again it still takes a copy out of the market, increasing demand.
I meant to say this earlier, but there seems to be a bit of a double standardTM here:
1. Buy the O-OT used and then you've "given LFL your money" to be able to download preservations or fan-edits.
2. Buy the BDs used and you haven't given LFL your money. Screw 'em!
ChainsawAsh said:
I'd love to be able to capture Netflix streams for several things - not just for stuff that's simply not available, but for other things too (like the fancy subtitles in Night Watch, or the aired versions of Buffy and Angel episodes [with previouslies intact]).
Sadly I don't think it's possible anymore...
Night Watch DVD has fancy subtitles... did you mean Day Watch?
I am sorry for you're lots.
I love classic R.E.M. I haven't heard any of there new stuff... for some time. Is any of it good?
I don’t really have time to do this subject justice… but I think there’s a blatant oversimplification of market forces if you say:
Buying the Star Wars BDs on eBay won’t put money in George’s Pocket or contrubute to the sales of the BD set.
or worse:
I’m going to buy it on eBay when it comes out so that GL doesn’t get my money!
Actually, if you buy it from Amazon or Target or BestBuy or ebayGuy1111… no matter which one, George Lucas won’t get your money. Amazon, Target, Best Buy or ebayGuy1111 will get your money. They are resellers. They bought something at some price, and resold it at another price. They do this because they know they can make money as a reseller. They wouldn’t do this if they knew they could not make money as a reseller. At any rate- George Lucas has their money, they have your money, and you have some BDs that you shouldn’t have.
Obviously retailers know they will make money reselling the BDs, so they bought a bunch of them. eBayers are also confident they will make some money, so they bought a bunch of them too. Why? Because there is a market for them to sell.
ESPECIALLY when you plan on buying something from ebay, and you announce it to the world, this gives eBayers that much more confidence in the existance of a market.
And, to rush to the summary, there are people that have the set (LFL) and people that want the set (people buying new or used) and countless middle men between. Whether you buy it new or used, there are always middle men. When you have a copy in your home, it comes from middle men. But it originally came from LFL.
Bonus: If you are the high bidder on eBay, then the 2nd highest bidder will more than likely still buy a copy. Either a used one, or a new one. The fact is that you took one of the unique copies and gave it a home, increasing demand for the remaining unique copies.
That is all.
Please discuss.
CP3S said:
That works. But you'll suck for the next two years until you get it.
What if I told you I just bought FO New Vegas?
CP3S said:
I just want to say everybody here sucks for not liking and playing the games I like and play and leaving nobody for me to talk to about them.
That is all.
P.S. The next game I will be purchasing is Rage. In the interest of not sucking, buy it.
Can I buy it in 2 years? Will I not suck then?
doubleofive said:
Remember one time when I joked that LEGO Star Wars was my canon. Remember another time I swore that if young Han Solo was featured in anything, it would be immediately erased from my memory?
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/5663/lego_tpm.html
CONFLICT
At least it's "Young Han Solo" and not "Stupid Kid Han Solo".
But yeah... I saw that and had to shake my head. Honestly though, I trust the Lego people have done a better job than LFL could have.
Darn. Apparently gamefly had Castlevania LoS for $13 last night and I missed it.
theprequelsrule said:
Xhonzi, I don't agree with the "ignore" category. I mean, that is more of an action rather than an opinion. I ignore the prequels, but I still hate them. Like my ex-girlfriend(s).
Perhaps change it to "indifferent"?
I changed it a little. Better?
Tyrphanax said:
CWBorne said:
Its not a real outright hate, because at the end of the day, I still have my memories and feelings of the original trilogy, and the stylistic, acting, and story decisions are so contrasting that its pretty easy to just to place the films in discontinuity. I can still sit down and watch ANH, ESB, or ROTJ on VHS and love them. A few bad movies can't make enjoy them any less, no more than badly done Sonic games will take away my enjoyment of those of the 16 bit era.
No, what I feel towards the prequels is more of a quiet disappointment and sadness at what they could have been. Call it the writer's mind at work, but I can't help but look at so many elements of those movies as so much lost potential. Yeah, any films that came out were bound to have some that dislike it, but part of me does lament that of all the stories of the Republic and Anakin Skywalker we could have had, that's what we got.
It also has me feeling some pity for Lucas, as I think had he stepped away and let others in as far as working on the films, then maybe he wouldn't be dealing with quite such a mixed reputation and divisive fanbase. His frustrating decisions regarding the original trilogy restoration aside, its quite unfortunate that such an imaginative thinker and a guy who loved film so much will have a legacy written with a "yeah, but..." for all his cinematic achievements.
This, this; a thousand times this.
I think this qualifies as 'hate'. Not like you're overcome by anger ALL THE TIME, and I know hate is a serious word... but maybe think of it as a feeling stronger than 'meh' or 'they're okay'.
Hoth-Nudist said:
LOL! I was looking for "the good" in it. Could'nt find it
Theres is still good in it, I have felt it!
Just kidding. It sucks.
Anchorhead said:
xhonzi said:
By 'usual fervor' I didn't mean anyone would complain that TPM was being mistreated. Just that money was being spent/movies were being marketed but not to/for us and how we still don't have what we really want*.
(*Real Estate)
Outstanding Charlie Brown reference. Nicely done, sir.
I'm glad someone caught it. :)
theprequelsrule said:
xhonzi said:
theprequelsrule said:
SilverWook said:
Hopefully, things will quiet down around here a bit now that the Blu Ray is finally out.
At least until the 3-D release of Phantom Menace. ;)
Do people on this forums really care about a 3-D TPM release?
No, but it will still stir up the usual fervor.
Nah. There are not enough TPM purists out there. Most people who like TPM are gushers who embrace Lucasism.
By 'usual fervor' I didn't mean anyone would complain that TPM was being mistreated. Just that money was being spent/movies were being marketed but not to/for us and how we still don't have what we really want*.
(*Real Estate)
EyeShotFirst said:
Tobar said:
The thing that bothers me that I've always noticed is X-Wing ladders. Once he climbs into the cockpit, if there's no crew there he has to just cast off the ladder to the ground. How many of those do you think he goes through? =P
Yeah, that bothered me as well.
Ladders? Why would he need a ladder when R2 can just boost him up there with his rockets? Why does he need an X-Wing when R2 can just take him where he wants to go?
Sluggo said:
I'd like to be listed in the ignore category.
IGNORE!
