xhonzi

Bingowings said:

I do however loathe the PTs... <snip> but until someone remakes them those are the episodes 1, 2, 3, <snip> of this saga...

 Strike 1.

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

There are a lot of different viewpoints here.  We rib each other a lot. 

Shut it up, you!

Father Skywalker said:

you are very nostaglic about the good ol days of the originals trilogy; however, in my opinion, neither trilogy is all that good on its own,

Ah, the "prequels aren't bad because the original trilogy isn't very good either" defense.  This holds no water, in my opinion.

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

Wexter said:

I think it is because the first three films ("Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace", "Star Wars Episode II: Attack of The Clones" and "Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith"), are kinda tragic.

I think they're very tragic!

 +1!

BmB said:

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

and the emperor's plan to turn Luke makes little sense (particularly since he is telling Luke his plan).

I think it makes sense. The point isn't to make Luke join him willingly, the point is to make him really angry and desperate so that he will kill Vader. And then he will be on the dark side whether he wants to or not.

 
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Luke-VS-the-Emperor-What-if-Vader-hadnt-been-there/post/401848/#TopicPost401848

I still think what I thought back then.

Basically, what is the Emperor's exit strategy from this fight?  On the surface, it seems to be very broken.  As some have said, the Emperor seems to be talking Luke out of joining the Dark Side by pushing so hard for him to join the Dark Side.  And all of this talk about how he will be his apprentice in, oh... 10 minutes seems to be very odd.

Maybe I'm trying to make a silk purse here, but if you look at it as a certain kind of reverse-reverse-psychology, it seems to work. 

If everyone told you that cigarettes were VERY ADDICTING and to never even try them, and then a cigarette salesman (I promise I'm going somewhere) told you they were VERY VERY ADDICTING and that you'd be a total addict 5 minutes after your first puff... and then he tricked you into trying one... and you realized you weren't a total addict at that point in time... wouldn't it dull your fear of becoming an adict and, perhaps, increase the likelihood that you would actually smoke cigaretters kind of casually until... YOU ARE ADDICTED. 

It kind of works, right?

Perhaps it's as bad as prequel apologistisms, but it makes sense to me.

stretch009 said:

Tyrphanax said:

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

Anchorhead said:

I never considered Empire superior to Star Wars.  I did like it when it was first released and even had a laserdisc of it a few years after that.  After a while, the things that I had never liked about it (Vader as father, Yoda, 3PO silliness) ended up becoming the things that caused me to lose interest.  To me, it felt small and stylized compared to Star Wars.  It was too slick, too formula.  I very much prefer the vast unknown, far away adventure of Star Wars.

I agree with you.  Also, the script and acting are noticeably better in SW (esp. Guinness and Cushing).  ESB has lots of cool stuff in it for saga fans, but as a movie, SW can stand up against any film ever made.

I dunno about that. There is a lot of weird delivery for me (Especially on Harrison's part) in Star Wars.

 

Any examples?

I don't know... the scene with Han and Leia in the cockpit of the MF on the way to Yavin always strikes me as oddly subpar.

bkev said:

Just watched Skyfall. It was good, but I think it says something when all the homages to the other films are what gets me interested versus the film's actual merits.

Like, the Home Alone one?

Hmm...  that's pretty cool, but I think you should work the lighthouse in there somewhere.

DuracellEnergizer said:

 

TV's Frink said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

 

1990osu said:

Scream, Scream 2, Scream 3, Scream 4.

 

1st one was entertaining but the sequels just got worse and worse.

I'll never understand how that movie got three sequels. The original was fine for what it was, but it didn't warrant any sequels, especially sequels following the same damn character over-and-over again.

 

You just descibed most sequels.

Why make them? Money.

Most sequels at least try to change things up a bit by changing the leads, focusing on new characters, etc. The Scream franchise, as far as I know, does none of these things (haven't seen Scream 4, so I can't comment on that one).

 

Yeah... like Star Trek, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, James Bond, Pirates of the Caribbean, Toy Story, Transformers, Spider-Man, Batman, Superman...

Wait.... actually, what sequels are you watching?  Manon de la Source?

TheBoost said:

xhonzi said:

BLAST!  THIS WHOLE POST WAS BASED ON A MISREADING OF 'ROTJ' AS 'ROTS'. 

I AGREE WITH TB.  I WILL ALSO SET YOU ON FIRE IF YOU THINK E2 WAS BETTER THAN ROTJ. 

ORIGINAL POST RESUMES:

 

TheBoost said:

Anyone who said Ep II was better than ROTJ would get set on fire by me. 

This logic works for me, so let's try it out on you.

Let's say I owe you $30 and I plan to pay you back in $10 installments over three weeks.

The first week I cough up $3.  Not too bad since I promise to make up for it by pay $14 each of the following weeks.  Final score: 3/10. (30%)

The second week, I pay you $4.  You have to admit, it's more than last week, but is it 4/10 (40%) or 4/14 (29%)?  However, I promise I'll pay you $26 the final week to make up for it.

The third week, I pay you $5.  I am forced to admit I have no more money nor intention of paying you the remainder of what I owe you or have promised.  Did I pay you 5/10 (50%)?  Or did I pay you 5/26 (19%)?

Which week did I pay you the most?  Which week did I most fall short?  Can it be the same week?

As the middle episode of the prequel trilogy, I have the least amount of requirement for AotC.  Is it better than TPM?  Yes, I think it is.  Does it sufficiently muddy the waters in preparation for a... water... purifying... Episode 3?  I think so.  However, it was still pretty bad.  Meaning that if the Prequel Trilogy as a whole was going to redeem itself, then Episode 3 not only had to be good, but it had to be good enough to ease the debt of Episodes 1 & 2.  It wasn't. 

I maintain that Episode 3 was better than Episodes 1 and 2, but still fell well short of "good" and way way short of "good enough to ease the debt". 

If I was forced to watch one again, and not in the Ridiculously Improved Frink Format, it would probably be AotC.  I find it to be the least disappointing, even it's only the second best made.

And a movie that had more than 16 years of hype and waiting that (generally) lived up to the hype: Fellowship of the Ring.

So confused... ... so I don't have to set you on fire, right?

You owe me $26.

TV's Frink said:

Episode VII: Death Star III

Hmm... I think we know how that one is going to end.

How about:

Star Wars Episode VII: Under New Management?

BLAST!  THIS WHOLE POST WAS BASED ON A MISREADING OF 'ROTJ' AS 'ROTS'. 

I AGREE WITH TB.  I WILL ALSO SET YOU ON FIRE IF YOU THINK E2 WAS BETTER THAN ROTJ. 

ORIGINAL POST RESUMES:

 

TheBoost said:

Anyone who said Ep II was better than ROTJ would get set on fire by me. 

This logic works for me, so let's try it out on you.

Let's say I owe you $30 and I plan to pay you back in $10 installments over three weeks.

The first week I cough up $3.  Not too bad since I promise to make up for it by pay $14 each of the following weeks.  Final score: 3/10. (30%)

The second week, I pay you $4.  You have to admit, it's more than last week, but is it 4/10 (40%) or 4/14 (29%)?  However, I promise I'll pay you $26 the final week to make up for it.

The third week, I pay you $5.  I am forced to admit I have no more money nor intention of paying you the remainder of what I owe you or have promised.  Did I pay you 5/10 (50%)?  Or did I pay you 5/26 (19%)?

Which week did I pay you the most?  Which week did I most fall short?  Can it be the same week?

As the middle episode of the prequel trilogy, I have the least amount of requirement for AotC.  Is it better than TPM?  Yes, I think it is.  Does it sufficiently muddy the waters in preparation for a... water... purifying... Episode 3?  I think so.  However, it was still pretty bad.  Meaning that if the Prequel Trilogy as a whole was going to redeem itself, then Episode 3 not only had to be good, but it had to be good enough to ease the debt of Episodes 1 & 2.  It wasn't. 

I maintain that Episode 3 was better than Episodes 1 and 2, but still fell well short of "good" and way way short of "good enough to ease the debt". 

If I was forced to watch one again, and not in the Ridiculously Improved Frink Format, it would probably be AotC.  I find it to be the least disappointing, even it's only the second best made.

And a movie that had more than 16 years of hype and waiting that (generally) lived up to the hype: Fellowship of the Ring.

After the "Robot Puppy Incident of Thanksgiving 2012" it had me thinking of ways that I used to play with my Star Wars toys in ways that the movies didn't really suggest.

I had a '77  Chewbacca, but I really wanted the '80 one because it came with the plastic net that could hold busted up C-3PO.  So I had two of that one (and several others) and for some reason, my childish imagination couldn't let that just stand, so I made up that it was Chewie's twin brother.  They were the frontmen (?) in a band called "The Chewie Brothers" where they sang harmony... one was a little bit country, and the other one was a little bit furgan d'an.  Of course, their signature sound was them singing "Chewie!" together.  Because they could actually sing English,

I realize now it makes no sense.  What would make sense, and would actually solve a problem for me, is if Chewie actually was twins/clones, and one was always home with his family and the other one was off galavanting with Solo.  That way I don't have to feel bad for Lumpy.

Last year for Christmas I gave my then 2.5 year old (now 3.5 year old) an AT-AT.  Note the clever wrapping job above.  (Don't note the poor focus of the photo).  Since then, he's lovingly referred to it as his 'robot puppy' and he plays with it on a fairly regular basis.  It was the one toy he took with him to our Thanksgiving party.

This weekend we watched Ady's ESB Theatrical Reconstruction (which was awesome!) and I was really excited about him seeing his robot puppy larger than life on the big screen.  When they finally appeared, the other kids got really excited for him and started yelling.  At first he was silent as he watched it in awe... then he jumped up and down and cheered for the robot puppies...  and then the rebels brought down the first one.

He burst into tears.

He was quite upset.  A lot of things can make a 3.5 year old upset, so at first I wasn't sure what had him twisted up.  But through the sobs, he told us that he didn't like them hurting the robot puppies and it made him sad.  My oldest tried to explain to him that the robot puppies were the bad guys... but that didn't help. 

Not one bit.

It was kind of awesome.

Leonardo said:

Oh, you! *giggle*

 Hey...

Tyrphanax said:

xhonzi said:

Bingowings said:

If there is a sharp disconnect to appeal to one group it will be as divisive as what George did with the SE and the PT.

I don't think so.

The ways that the OT already doesn't jive with the PT are more likely to continue than not.

What I mean is, Luke isn't asked to become Obi-Wan's padiwan, so Luke has never heard that term, so he isn't likely to use it.  Why would he?*

Luke was not instructed to grow a rat tail upon starting his journey to become a Jedi knight, so how would he know of that tradition?  Why would he start it again?*

Luke's never heard of midichlorians.*

Luke's never heard of the Jedi Council.*

Luke's never seen two jedi break-dance-fight.*

No one in the OT mentions that stormtroopers were/are clones.*

No one mentions Naboo, Mustachefar, or the Genesis Planet.*

No one mentions the rule of two.*

No one told Luke that Jedi can't get married.*

No one told Luke that the prequels sucked.*

Why would any of that come up in the SWST?

 

*yet

 

Obviously in his quest to rebuild the Jedi Order, he would find vast repositories of this information that was once being hidden by the now-defunct Empire.

Hidden or destroyed?

Look, I guess you can say Luke found all of that stuff if you want to.

All I'm saying is- it won't be missed if it's not in there.  It's already not in the OT, so it's natural to leave it out of the SWST too.  It won't feel like an intentional slight if it's not there- they have every excuse to cut out the crappy bits and still have continuity on their side.

TheBoost said:

I really enjoy people... singular, usually.

Sluggo?

TheBoost said:

This was a pretty good flick though. I hope it gets a sequal. 

I think you're spelling it that way just to get to me now.

It's working.

But I thought she kept all of my secrets...?

Joke?

They make 2-3 Marvel movies some years.

TV's Frink said:

DominicCobb said:

My last post was mostly a joke as well. The thing was you quoted me (and my joke) before you went on your rant. I actually didn't even read your response.

Is this a joke?

Every post where he is wrong was just a joke.

DominicCobb said:

My last post was mostly a joke as well. The thing was you quoted me (and my joke) before you went on your rant. I actually didn't even read your response.

Bingowings said:

If there is a sharp disconnect to appeal to one group it will be as divisive as what George did with the SE and the PT.

I don't think so.

The ways that the OT already doesn't jive with the PT are more likely to continue than not.

What I mean is, Luke isn't asked to become Obi-Wan's padiwan, so Luke has never heard that term, so he isn't likely to use it.  Why would he?*

Luke was not instructed to grow a rat tail upon starting his journey to become a Jedi knight, so how would he know of that tradition?  Why would he start it again?*

Luke's never heard of midichlorians.*

Luke's never heard of the Jedi Council.*

Luke's never seen two jedi break-dance-fight.*

No one in the OT mentions that stormtroopers were/are clones.*

No one mentions Naboo, Mustachefar, or the Genesis Planet.*

No one mentions the rule of two.*

No one told Luke that Jedi can't get married.*

No one told Luke that the prequels sucked.*

Why would any of that come up in the SWST?

*yet

Mint jelly beans?  Gross.

Davnes007 said:

xhonzi said:

Can I spoil other movies in here?

At the end of Castle on Doom Street, it turns out that Frank was really a woman.

Spoiling movies that don't exist** is cheating.

Ah, you got me.  :)