xhonzi

Oooohhh... when is that?  I like the DH omnibus format.

xhonzicorp has you right where it wants you.

That explains this.

Luckyyyyyyyy!

You're making a big mistake.

doubleofive said:

xhonzi said:

At the very beginning of the episode, Sayid appears to be much worse off than Juliet, yet they can't get her to the pool fast enough...

Well, Juliet has her own show on the same network, so she HAD to die! ;-)

That's all I mean.  It felt dictated by elements beyond the show rather than the logic of the show itself.  Sort of like Shanon not being on the plane. :)

Lost2007 would be unmodified, as Sun and Lepidus have never traveled in time after leaving and coming back.  The explosion must have reset the time skippers back to Lost2007 (as they inhabit the same Island that Lepidus made a landing on) while at the same time creating Alt2004.

 It's obviously modified to the point that Sun saw a picture of Jin from 1974.  And what of the Swan?  Is the Swan in Lost2007 simply the result of Desmond's actions?  Or of the incident too?

I'm of the opinion that Jin was always in 1974 in the normal timeline, we just didn't know it.

That's exactly what I'm talking about.  Faraday said, "What happened, happened."  You can't change history.  So, Jin was always in 1974.  But then Faraday says, "We can change it!"  So the pocket of negative energy DOESN'T always create the need for the button, the unpushing of which doesn't cause 815 to not crash and not bring the castaways to the island.  Hence the difference between Lost2004 and Alt2004.  So what else is different between the "Lost" timeline and the AltTimeline?  More importantly, are there differences between the "Lost" timeline and the 2007 we saw last night?  The Swan?  When last we saw the imploded Swan in the Lost timeline... it looked like this:

Notice the lack of debris in the center and the height of the crater wallls.

This is the construction site (obviously).  I can't find any pictures from the 2007 crater from last night's episode, but it can't be exactly either of these other two timeline's craters.  If it's the wreck of the construction site, then it is the Alt2007 version of the crater where there was no plane crash.  Or if it is the Lost2007 version, there wouldn't be all of that debris in the centre of the hole.

This is the conclusion that I have come to:
The Dharma van and all of the Dharma jumpsuits people are wearing and the bullet in Sayid's gut are all artifacts of the Alt1977 -> Lost2007 time jump.  The van is there because Hurley and Jin were in it.  The debris is there because Juliet was in it.

Everything in 1974-1977 time frame "Happened Happened" until the point where Faraday decides they can change things afterall.  As soon as he says "Happened maybe happened" the Alt timeline was created.  A 1977 where they did nothing and a 1977 where they blew the pocket of energy.  The one where they did nothing leads to Lost2004 and Lost2007 where the plane crashes etc... and the one where they blew the detonator leads to Alt2004 where the plane lands at LAX.

Or it's a third timeline.  But I don't want to talk about that.

Sorry Warbler, maybe you didn't read it very well... but Frink wants/needs this thread so we don't make it anymore.  Please edit your post.

TV's Frink said:

Ha!  Rook and Castle are the same piece.

I call shenanigans!

SECURITY!!!

 It's not the same piece.  There are 4 rooks/castles.  I assumed you were moving your rook to my castle.  And then I checkmated you and it was game over.

Don't taze me, brah!

1. Rook to Castle 7 - Check and mate!

Game over.

VPN: 1
Warbler: 0
xhonzi: 3
Frink: 0

And I retire.

Sorry, we don't make it anymore.

I smell a PROBATION coming, something something Neil Diamond song...

I know they cut out "old geezer Indy" from the DVD's, but I read here that they kept the Ford cameo.

Back to the Marvel comics... are these collected somewhere?  My googling says "no."  And my magic 8 ball says "Ask again later."

BUT DON'T CHANGE THE SUBJECT!

:(  VFP.

VPN is, obviously, a Virtual Private Network.

What... you found out that ***** is actually *****?

doubleofive said:

I agree that everyone is actually on the same side, except Ben seems to be leaning towards the MIB/Esau side now that he betrayed Jacob.

True.

 

Also, it's 2003, right?  The crash was in Sep 2003.  It was Dec 2003 when Keamey and the freighter showed up, and Jan 2004 when the Oceanic Six were resuced?  And then the non6 went back 30 years to 1974 and then lived there for three years until 1977.  The six also lived 3 years off island before returning in 2007?

Crash was September 2004, O6 rescued in December 2004, lived for 3 years until 2007 when they come back except for those thrown back to 1974, where they live for 3 more years until 1977 where they are now thrown back to 2007 (three years older than the people they left in 2007!)

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline

You are correct.  So was it three full years for both the 6 and the non6?  Is it still December in 2007?  Can it be 2008 yet?

Juliet was already dead, while Sayid was alive (barely).  Can't baptize dead people! ;-)

Paul would disagree with you: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(King_James)/1_Corinthians#15:29

:)

Baptism for the dead (ie, if Jesus died and was never resurrected and people being baptized in his name) is different from baptism of the dead.  Can't say I didn't learn anything from Bible College, eh?

I was mostly teasing.  I know of nobody that actually baptizes the actual dead body.  But my main point (several posts ago) was that the script decided that Juliet would die and Sayid would live.  At the very beginning of the episode, Sayid appears to be much worse off than Juliet, yet they can't get her to the pool fast enough...

Lost2007 would be unmodified, as Sun and Lepidus have never traveled in time after leaving and coming back.  The explosion must have reset the time skippers back to Lost2007 (as they inhabit the same Island that Lepidus made a landing on) while at the same time creating Alt2004.

 It's obviously modified to the point that Sun saw a picture of Jin from 1974.  And what of the Swan?  Is the Swan in Lost2007 simply the result of Desmond's actions?  Or of the incident too?

Because that's how all of these threads work.

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-Way-OTcom-General-Star-Wars-Discussion-Works/topic/10868/

Did the TV show have highlights I should go back and watch?  The wife and I started to get the DVDs from volume 1 from netflix, but they were so slow and dry we couldn't watch them.  I watched the first few originally on TV and liked how they mixed the Jake Lloyd Indy with Sean Patrick Flanery Indy, but I noticed they undid that on the DVDs.  (Where's www.originalyoungindianajones.com when you need it?)  We skipped to volume 2 (all SPF Indy, all the time!), if I recall and thought those were more decent, but still not quite worth my time.  Vol3 promises to be more exciting, but I'm sure I believe it.

I hated KotCS, if that's any indication of the kind of Indy fan I am.  (Or of my continuuing good taste)  I really liked IJ:Fate of Atlantis and some of the stuff in the Dark Horse comics.  I acutally really liked the Young Indy books that predated the show by a couple of years.  Did anyone else read those?  I was in grade school when I last read them, but I and my friends all really liked them.

The William McKay ones from this list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Jones_(franchise)#Young_Indiana_Jones

TV's Frink-

You sir are the one spreading these lies about VPN's original post!  STOP IT!

With some not always true assumptions here... sometimes the Fullscreen is useful for sampling raw images or parts since it's of a higher resolution.  If you think about it, you are cutting of the sides of the picture (which is terrible!) but you are then using the full resolution for appx half of the picture.  So the half that is there is actually of a higher resoultion than it would be if the other half was also there.

Unless the fullscreen or zoomed image was taken from a pre-existing widescreen image and therefore can contain no new original pixel information- rather interpolated pixel information from the original widescreen master.

PRAISE BE TO ALMIGHTY GONK!

We have a discussion group at work.  I've been harping the DHARMA/Widmore conncetion for years.  Season 5 seemed to be the proof they all needed to finally tell me I was wrong.  I relented for a week, but then I went back to it.  How else would DHARMA have found the island?

Here's the rest of my theory: The Island has some kind of purpose to prevent the end of the world or something.  The others, lead by Jacob, are there to protect the island so that it can play its part.  However, Widmore began to think that the island wouldn't play this part on its own, so he co-founded or brought DHARMA to the island so that they could figure out how to control the island to MAKE it play its part.  MIB and anyone associated with him would want to prevent it... but the others/DHARMA (Ben/Widmore) are on the same side, they just can't agree on how to go about it.

I am on facebook from time to time, but I can't get to it from work.  *blush*  So, sorry.

Also, it's 2003, right?  The crash was in Sep 2003.  It was Dec 2003 when Keamey and the freighter showed up, and Jan 2004 when the Oceanic Six were resuced?  And then the non6 went back 30 years to 1974 and then lived there for three years until 1977.  The six also lived 3 years off island before returning in 2007?

Juliet was already dead, while Sayid was alive (barely).  Can't baptize dead people! ;-)

Paul would disagree with you: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(King_James)/1_Corinthians#15:29

:)

Interesting how erasing the Island from existence since 1977 would change THAT much of random peoples' lives.  Desmond I can understand, but why wouldn't Christian's body be on the plane, who had no contact with the Island previously?  Same with Locke's knives.  How did Hurley win the same lottery if he didn't know The Numbers?  Chance?  Fate? 

If it's "fate" or "Jacob" that brings them to the island (it can't just be cause and effect... there's too much interleaving of their lives for that) then fate will course correct and bring them to the island in some other way. 

Soo... I think I asked this before but I'm going to clarify it this way... is Lost2007 the future of Alt2003?  Could it be that Alt2003 ends up with them coming back to the island under different circumstances?  Probably not- especially given the underwater state of the island in Alt2003.  But then what is Lost2007?   It's not the future of Jack&CoInhabited1977, is it ?  I thought Alt2003 was the future of that 1977, and I've already convinced myself that it's not the future of Alt2003.  Well, it has to be the future of that 1977 to some degree because of the picture that Christian showed Sun.  But would they really still build the Swan Station if the effect of the bomb was as destructive as intended?  Is the whole that Juliet was in the result of the 1977 incident, or Desmond's 2003 implosion of the hatch?

My guess is that everything up to Faraday deciding that time actually can be changed is the history of both Lost2007 and Alt2003.  Everything after that decision is only the history of Alt2003, and the explosion at the Swan kicked the losties back to their original, unmodied 2007 and at the same time created the Alt2003 universe.

I didn't want to be greedy.

Wait, why am I not on that list?  I recall getting a single vote which put me in a tie for 3rd place!