xhonzi

So... I was giving this some thought today...

Left 4 Dead 2 has a level that takes place at a zombie infested amusement park... Zombieland ends in a zombie infested amusement park... When I play L4D2, I want to grab a spinning ride and uzi a bunch of zombies in the face like Tallahassee, or I want to make zombies chase me through a giant see-saw like ride and have them get splattered like Columbus...

But that's not exactly how the balance in L4D(2) normally works.  Which got me thinking of the Big Daddy in BioShock 2 MP.  For those who don't know, in BS2 you normally play a "splicer"- a regular joe or gal with a couple of guns and plasmids (some fire or electricity or something shooting from your left hand).  But every once in a while, you can turn into a big daddy.  A little slower, and only the one gun and no plasmids... but you have a ton of health, the gun you have is overly powerful, and you can plant 5 proximity mines.  All of this means you get to go on a little killing spree until the enemy gangs up on you and puts you down.  If you're in a team setting, the other members of the team look to the Big Daddy like allies walking beside a WWII tank- trying to defend the powerful weapon while also depending on it to do massive damage.

So, I think L4D2 could use a temporary "Tallahassee" powerup in a similar way.  Yes, the game is "survival horror" to an extend, so a tricked out, mother flippin', zombie butt kicking action hero might be a little out of place, but as long as it only lasted a short while and didn't come around too often...

Look, I just want to hang on to the bottom of a spinning ride and uzi some zombies in the face, alright?

Speaking of which, when are we getting the gang back together for some L4D2?

But this is the Tango thread, is it not?

Bah!  Doom is still waiting!

http://www.writerswrite.com/screenwriting/lecture4.htm

This is a pretty decent write up on 3 act structure.  Someone on these boards might have sent that to me, but I was just re-reading it.

lolz

Nicely done, Sluggo.

First of all, this post isn't about Inception, but you did see it so I'm chosing to be lenient.  But that doesn't mean I read it very closely.

 

ChainsawAsh said:

Aliens - 1986 Theatrical Cut.

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But those scenes absolutely kill any and all suspense that you get when the Marines reach the base.  There's no what the <bleep> happened here moment in the viewer's mind because, well, we already know what happened.  No, we weren't shown how the colony was completely wiped out, but we know that an alien was definitely brought in, and we can quickly connect the dots from there, so we can come up with a pretty good idea of what the Marines are going to find when they go into the colony.

I guess I don't understand your point.  The movie title, "Aliens" doesn't already give this away?  What suspense is there supposed to be?  Is there, perhaps, going to be a different kind of alien, and this suspense is ruined because we already know which alien will be there?

I guess the suspense in the movie doesn't come from not knowing what aliens might have been brought to the camp... but how the marines are going to fare.  They are extremely confident, and we aren't sure if they deserve to be.

ChainsawAsh said:

No, that's been moved into its own forum.  Oh, it's not dead.  Not yet.

YOU KNOW HIM?!?!?

Darth Mallwalker said:

bkev said:

Man, I sure hope he doesn't request the print get destroyed afterward. I recall - was it Adywan? - someone mentioning a local theater having to hand over a print they showed for the 30th Anniversary.

My thoughts exactly.
Hope they have a car waiting by the back door, and another waiting at the side door ready to whisk it away in case any goons turn up.

 That would be awesome.  Then it would hit national news and maybe the attention would shame Lucas into doing the right thing.

TV's Frink said:

I SAID I WAS DONE WITH THIS DISCUSSION!!!!!

That means it's time to tango. ;-)

Why hasn't the thread title been changed yet? 

Neo-nazis and the KKK.  Alright, I guess I did know about them.  But:

A) Don't they pretty much hate everybody?

B) Aren't their numbers/impact pretty small these days?

C) Are they really affected by a Mel Gibson movie?

And finally: Are there rational people that feel this way?

DarkGryphon said:

I bought Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts last Friday. Still a bit irritated cause I want to building a submarine. Fun game too.

Yes!  Another BK:N&B fan!  I bought it for my kids, but it turns out I've played it more than they have.

Which reminds me... I let BioShock 2 pull me away from N&B... I need to get back to it after I finish Batman.

Warbler said:

Sluggo said:

OK, let's get some positive energy going here.  I'm sure you are a good person, are fair, just and honorable, etc.  Cut yourself some slack, man!

 

Ferris wouldn't agree with you.  He has me on ignore.  : (

 I haven't been in the Politics thread for a while.  Did things get pretty bad?

TV's Frink said:

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...But there are plenty of people in the world who hate most Jews* because of what some Jews supposedly did.

I guess this is what it comes down to.  Does this really exist, because, as I said earlier, if it does I am entirely ignorant to it?

Sluggo said:

xhonzi said:

I may be stepping out of line here, but at what point in time will Germans be all offended at the portrayal of Nazi's in WWII films, and start this kind of shenanigans?  (As I write this, I'm sure it's already started, but most people sort of ignore them)  I don't hold any malice towards modern Germans, or even 1940s Germans who weren't Nazis. 

The handful of Germans that I know aren't all that proud of their contribution to world history.  But I wouldn't blame them for being upset if the rest of the world started to consider ALL Germans as being the same as Nazis. 

As far as I can tell, no one I know or associate with has a problem distinguishing between people who live/lived in Germany and Nazis. 

Similarly, none of those same people associate all Jews, ancient or modern, with the Jews responsible for the death of Christ.  The ADL articles seem to assume that people make that leap of logic anytime they watch Mel Gibson's movie, or 10 year olds re-enacting the Passion Play, or sitting at home and watching documentaries or reading the New Testament, that they fly into this righteous anger where they need to go and punch a Jew in the face.  Maybe this happens in some areas, but I am completely ignorant to it.  Therefore, I conclude that its people being unjustifiably sensitive, making calls of "anti-semitism" that isn't really there. 

I didn't vote for Barack Obama.  It had nothing to do with his or my skin colour or race, so that doesn't make me a racist.  But a lot of people have accused anyone who didn't vote for him as a 'racist'.  That's just stupid, and it's actually damaging to race relations to make accusations like that.

As I said, I feel a general kinship for Jews everywhere (it must be my unruly curly hair and my desire to work in show business) and I have a few Jewish friends.  They don't spend their time looking for antisemitism where it doesn't exist.  My black friends don't spend time looking for racism where it doesn't exist.  My lady friends don't spend time looking for sexism where it doesn't exist.  I guess I don't make friends with people who are looking for the "victim angle" at all times.

Sluggo:

The same goes with the Jews, Christians and Muslims.  And Atheists and Agnostics, butchers, bakers and candlestick-makers.  Just because some of their number do incredibly evil things, it doesn't mean all do.  I believe that there are good and honorable people among all of God's creation.

I agree with this 100%.  Hopefully that has been borne out in my other comments.

Excet for candlestick makers.  I haven't met one that's not a vicious killer at heart.  ;)

Hopefully someone can get their hands on the print and scan it.  Then order a hit on ol' George so someone who won't destroy it inherits the rights and then they can release it.

Maybe Gaffer can throw ol' George into that Sarlaac pit she got online, after we beat him with our master replica lightsabres.

I may be stepping out of line here, but at what point in time will Germans be all offended at the portrayal of Nazi's in WWII films, and start this kind of shenanigans?  (As I write this, I'm sure it's already started, but most people sort of ignore them)  I don't hold any malice towards modern Germans, or even 1940s Germans who weren't Nazis. 

Similarly, the people who were most responsible for the death of Christ, as far as the only records we have have to say, were Jews.  The New Testament tells us that the Romans only crucified Christ because the Jews, their tenants, demanded it.  However, it's not all bad... Christ himself was a Jew as well as all of his Apostles.  They are portrayed to be pretty good guys.  All of the followers of Christ at the time were Jews.  We seem to like them alright, too.

So I have nothing against 30s AD Jews, unless they were personally involved or supported the killing of Christ.  And I have nothing against modern Jews, unless they're sort of proud of what the 30s AD guys did.

And, while we're at it, I don't want anyone blaming me for slavery.  Bad people did bad things in the past.  Bad people today do bad things.  If I'm not doing bad things, I'm not a bad person, right?  That's what I offer to everyone else and what I expect them to offer to me.

Ah, carp... Looks like I missed it.

It's true what they say, "Call now, these deals won't last!"

Warbler said:

TV's Frink said:

I hear that gal who used to date Mel Gibson is available now...

yeah, but I've heard some pretty bad stuff about her, from a guy who dated her....

 Well... At least she should have the money to take you out.

He's been here very intermittently recently.  Not his usual long spouts of "not-around-ship" followed by weeks of "aroundability."  More like a light shower of CO this afternoon, followed by cloud cover.

TV's Frink said:

xhonzi said:

The Passion to me, as a Christian, is listening to someone else give a testimony of Christ that is similar to your own, but not quite the same.  You focus on what you share in common, as opposed to what splits you... But at the same time, there is some really gorey stuff in that movie.  They made a PG-13ish cut (it might still be Rated R, but the gore is toned down) which I haven't seen, but would prefer to try next time.

It's not the gore, but who is shown to be responsible.

Q. Mel Gibson has stated that many people are calling him an anti-Semite. What is ADL's position?
A. ADL and its representatives have never accused Mr. Gibson of being an anti-Semite. We do not know what is in his heart. We only know what he has put on the movie screen. The images there show Romans who behave with compassion toward Jesus. The Roman governor, Pontius Pilate, constantly expresses his reticence to harm Jesus. The Jews, on the other hand, are depicted as blood-thirsty. The Jewish High Priest, Caiaphas, is shown as bullying Pilate, and the hundreds and hundreds of amassed Jews demanding Jesus' death.

Again, all of that is in the New Testament.  It's sort of silly for anyone to blame Mel Gibson for making an accurate translation of that portion of the New Testament and pretend that they're fine with the text itself.

TV's Frink said:

C3PX said:

Why was it strange to read? Was The Passion that awful?

Yes.

http://www.jcpa.org/phas/phas-044-foxman.htm

http://www.adl.org/interfaith/gibson_qa.asp

 Again, Mel's making it very hard to come to his defense anymore... but the Passion of the Christ is no more anti-semitic than the New Testament itself is.  At least as far as I could tell.  Of course Christians are still kinda sore about that whole, "You killed our (and your) God" thing. 

Of course, some of my best friends are Jews.  And Black.  ;)

By that, I mean, I don't hold that against any Jewish people today.  I feel a lot of religious kinship- more than I'd think, for a religious people that disagree with the first principal of my religion, aka the Godship of Christ.

The Passion to me, as a Christian, is listening to someone else give a testimony of Christ that is similar to your own, but not quite the same.  You focus on what you share in common, as opposed to what splits you... But at the same time, there is some really gorey stuff in that movie.  They made a PG-13ish cut (it might still be Rated R, but the gore is toned down) which I haven't seen, but would prefer to try next time.

And here's my personal thoughts on the crime/property/violent defense topic.  If you offer no resistance to criminals taking your personal property, you encourage the criminals to commit more crimes against more innocent people.  You are morally obligated to do what you can (within the realm of your personal safety) to prevent a crime in progress.  To most petty criminals, the possibilty of violent defense from the victim is much more likely to deter their actions than the risk of being found by the cops.

bkev said:

A Beautiful Mind.  I cried twice, I really did.

 Oooooo... Please elaborate.  This movie really surprised me when I offered a heartfelt "meh" at its conclusion.  I guess I didn't see in it what everyone else, especially the academy, did.

I dream about it every night.

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