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#703642
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Fantasia - 35mm preservation opportunity (* unfinished project / WIP? *)
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For $599 we could get a Technicolor print of Fantasia with magnetic sound. I’m not sure whether it has the deleted scenes, but the quality would at least be miles ahead of the BD (no degraining). Anyone interested? If we could do another fundraiser I’d love to see this film properly preserved.

I can start a list of donations… I’d be in for $50-150, depending on interest.

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#686705
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Fantasia 1982 Soundmix
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No, I don't know if that is the reason... I know that they probably synced it to the 24fps one, but at this point (since I converted the audio to match a 29fps stream, making it the same pitch and tempo as the original recording) unless there's a problem with the video being 29fps I think I'm inclined to leave it that way...

Also, I totally blanked on the original Deems Taylor audio. That was ripped from an LD. Why it would be ripped from a VHS is beyond me... :)

I don't think I'm going to do noise reduction at all, but possibly... What is the general consensus on that?

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#686656
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Fantasia 1982 Soundmix
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Hmmm... I hadn't even considered the frame differences... I know that the video is at 29 fps (rounded to 30) in my source (supposedly a rip of the newest BD). I didn't change this, as I wasn't even thinking of that at the time...

However, I'm pretty sure that isn't the cause of the synch problems - some of the Nutcracker suite matched perfectly...

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#686496
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Fantasia 1982 Soundmix
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OK, here's the file for anyone who wants to check it out: https://vimeo.com/85417047

If you do check it out, I'd really appreciate timecodes for any parts you have comments/concerns about. Thanks in advance for anyone who participates!

The video quality is ****, just because I wanted to keep file size down. I intend to use the full video quality I have available to me in the final version.

At this point, I'm kind of torn on the Deems Taylor narration. I think I'll pose the question to the forum, but I'm almost leaning toward having 5 tracks on the disc: the 1941 score/new narration, the 1982 score/new narration, the 1941 score/restored narration, the 1982 score/restored narration, and the 1941/1982 scores, L & R channel. The jump between original/restored is really jarring... What do you think?

 

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#686479
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Fantasia 1982 Soundmix
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I think I have the soundtracks set up the way you suggest. The 1941 version is on the "L" portion of the audio board of the editor, while the 1982 version is on the "R" portion of the audio board of the editor. They are hard and soft edited to each other in Sony Vegas Pro 10 (the editor I'm using...)

I'll have to learn how to synchronize the audio for the Deems Taylor portions - there's a few places where he gets out of sync with himself (or drops narration in the case of the narration sourced from the '91 VHS).

Thanks for the feedback!

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#686459
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Fantasia 1982 Soundmix
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Here's the Ave Maria sequence. I only have to fix a couple of parts in the Night on Bald Mountain sequence and then I'm finished! :)

https://vimeo.com/85398812

Still looking for about five people to help me "proof" it, if you will. I know it's a daunting task (since this is the roadshow version...) but even if you can only do one section/sequence I would greatly appreciate the help. I should be ready to start rendering/sharing the test file tonight.

That said, I'm ready to start working on menus and such. Anybody have any experience with that? I'd also maybe like to do the audio track with both soundtracks running in mono (as SpacedRanger suggested) but have no idea where to start. Any ideas?

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#685668
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Fantasia 1982 Soundmix
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Yeah, I think you hit the nail right on the head. I think the severe edits they made to the second movement were quick and dirty, and not at all what the "original" original 1941 version looked like. As a result, the audio is out of sync in a few places, even in the Stokowski version. Really too bad, not only from a historical standpoint, but from an artistic view as well...

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#685661
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Fantasia 1982 Soundmix
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Interesting you mentioned that; I felt the same way about it. However, that is one of the relatively rare spots in that segment where the music almost exactly matches the Stokowski recording. The only part where it is off is with the rubato near the clarinet bird calls. That I could fix, but I'm pretty sure Disney just dumped their digital tracks to the disc, and that they didn't rerecord them (though I could be wrong) but regardless I don't want to hack the audio up too much, as it wouldn't be truthful to the 1982 version. My feeling is that if it was out of sync in '82, it should be out of sync now. Apparently, one of the criticisms of the new soundtrack when it came out was the fact that there were a few parts that didn't sync perfectly.

Anyway, uploading a clip now that illustrates what I'm talking about. Left channel 1941 version, right channel 1982 version.

Thanks for the constructive criticism! :)

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#685639
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Fantasia 1982 Soundmix
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Oy!

Ok, I finally finished the second movement of the Pastoral. It'll be up at Vimeo shortly. It was the worst I've done so far (apart from Bald Mountain) due to the censoring and looping of footage that Disney did to get rid of offensive material. In any case, I'd still like opinions on the audio and the video sync (mainly audio issues) once the file is uploaded. I'll post a link here when it's officially up.