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Post: #255352
Topic: Opinion Poll on Go-Mer-Tonic
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255352/action/topic#255352
Time: 7-Nov-2006 4:20 PM

Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
So it's okay for you to "go into the heart of the Death Star" of TFN to debate opposing views (something that you call "battling the Dark Side head on") but when I do the same thing by coming here, I am trolling? Where do you get off?

And here, in a nutshell, is why you are disliked. You just claimed I equated free discussion with the Dark Side, which is not what I said. I have equated fans of the Stimulus-Response Trilogy with the Dark Side, since most of them have all the taste of a cardboard popsicle.

If that bothers you or doesn't reflect well on me, I don't care at all. This isn't an important enough issue, globally speaking, to be objective about. Life or death issues demand my objectivity, not entertainment.

You are trolling here because it is a PRO-OUT site. And frankly, I'm trolling on thefarce.net whenever I speak out in favor of the OUT because we are not welcome there. While I do not speak for the administration/moderation team on this site. I personally do not welcome PT/SE fans here. You are intruders. Play in your yard and we'll play in ours. This is what it's come to in SW fandom as I laid out very explicitly in my previous post. But you chose not to address the main idea of my post, since it was more important for you to try and gain the moral high ground by playing the "you're not objective" card on me. As if you yourself are objective. Nobody is.

Jay and administration, please intensify the planetary shield before more Imperials arrive.

Post: #255154
Topic: Opinion Poll on Go-Mer-Tonic
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255154/action/topic#255154
Time: 6-Nov-2006 7:00 PM

Originally posted by: Nanner Split
I don't have a problem with Gomer. I think he should stay. Why? Because without a dissenting viewpoint, this board gets BORING!!

There is a lot of merit to this statement. But in reality, here is a Cliff's Notes version of what happened to the fanbase - and why discussion is sometimes lacking here:

In 1997, George Lucas bifurcated Star Wars fandom using a FABULOSO stamp. And he did it using the legally correct (though based in fallacy) argument of "artist's rights".

In 1999, Lucas bastardized the Star Wars universe, playing up the superficial, irrelevant similarities to the OUT while ignoring many of the crucial, timeless storytelling elements he used masterfully twenty-two years before. There was a young Obi-Wan Kenobi and other powerful Jedi running around (with lightsabers! George remembered!!). There was the younger Emperor (the less informed, young fans wondered if he was really Darth Sidious), the younger Yoda (with Down's syndrome), and some Jedi played by Liam Neeson that Obi-Wan forgot to mention to Luke. There was also a total jackass, made completely out of CGI, who ruined the movie. The Force was no longer accessible through dedication and training - it was issued to winners of the genetic lottery, carried through mitochondria. There was a thinly disguised Death Star, a space battle (such as it was), and a visually stunning though overly coreographed lightsaber battle wherein two of the better characters die.

Still, we said, Lucas is rusty. It'll get better.

It did get better, but Lucas' continuing panderance to the slovenly slack-jawed casual fan (who watch Star Wars for all the pretty colored flashing lights) eroded our confidence that Lucas had any ability left to tell a deep, layered story.

Still, we said, Lucas has been waiting decades to show Anakin's turn. He'll get it right this time.

And from my point of view, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

During these ten years, scores of people who can't tie shoes without a detailed manual logged on to sites like thefarce.net to browbeat people like us who value timeless stories with character development. "LUCAS IS TEH SHIT, LETS C U MAK A MOVIE ASSHOLE U GOT PWXNED BICTH!!!!!!11111" was the usual devastating argument. Indeed, those of us serving the Light Side really didn't discuss as much as defend ourselves - inasmuch as we even decided to stick around. How many OUT fans even bothered to stay in the SW internet community because of this wretched element ushered in by the SE? Not many, I would guess.

Meanwhile, one such person, Jay Sylvester, decided to create a safe haven (not a Sanctuary) for people with a sense of taste. And they came. Relieved that they found a nice place to come to, the discussions weren't so heated and frequent - we were just happy to find each other. Sure, for some, the absence of discussion made the site tame, but can you blame us? We're tired of fighting. Chances are all the OUT fans have a different of interpretation of this scene in Star Wars or that scene in Jedi, but it's not worth the trouble. We've put in those hours of aggravation at thefarce.net, and now it's time to relax.

But like legions of stormtroopers (only a lot stupider), the mouth-breathing yokels show up here from time to time and push our buttons. Because they are fucking assholes. They're not content to shout us down in friendly territory - they have to come piss in our yard too.

So to sum up, Nanner Split, I really understand where you are coming from. And when I feel like really discussing things, I go back into the heart of the Death Star (thefarce.net) and battle the Dark Side head on. But this place is our Yavin. And on Yavin, if things are boring, that can only be good.

Post: #254836
Topic: Opinion Poll on Go-Mer-Tonic
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254836/action/topic#254836
Time: 4-Nov-2006 2:12 PM

The way the question was asked, I voted no.

My answer goes like this:

The name of this site is originaltrilogy.com. There is an inherent bias to this site, as the name implies. I haven't looked at thefarce.net in months because I wanted to go to a place that was free of certain sensibilities.

The problem is, with Go-Mer and Jedi Randy being here, I still have to endure that same mindset here. At a site devoted to the Star Wars Unaltered Trilogy. That pisses me off. If I want a pro-PT perspective, I'll go back to thefarce.net but right now I don't want to hear that bullshit. I don't go to prequeltrilogy.com and shit in their cereal - why then do I have to face it here?

I am a San Antonio Spurs fan. As such, I visit Spurs sites. I don't go to Mavericks, Lakers, Suns, Heat, or anybody else's sites. They don't want to hear from me, and I sure as hell don't want to hear from them.

Post: #254104
Topic: McCallum on Jar Jar & Kids before TPM came out
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/254104/action/topic#254104
Time: 30-Oct-2006 7:17 PM

Speaking for myself, after TPM I went to the other two movies largely out of a sense of obligation.

I'd like to see an accurate poll on this matter - did Star Wars fans watch the PT because they wanted to, or because they felt they had to?

(I say accurate because I know how that poll would look here, and I know how that poll would look at tf.n)

Post: #253811
Topic: McCallum on Jar Jar & Kids before TPM came out
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/253811/action/topic#253811
Time: 28-Oct-2006 12:35 AM

It is interesting that McCallum's tone here is somewhat defiant. This is the first time I've ever heard McCallum sound remotely like he's questioning Lucas.

As for Jake Lloyd, he wasn't great but in his defense:

1) A lot of good actors suffered with GL's dialog and direction
2) Lloyd didn't cast himself
3) You try reacting to a blue screen

If this discussion is Lloyd vs. Jar Jar, give me Lloyd every day.

Post: #249914
Topic: What do you think of the <strong>Prequel Trilogy</strong>? a general discussion thread
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/249914/action/topic#249914
Time: 5-Oct-2006 11:33 PM

Originally posted by: Mielr
I actually thought that his reading of that line was very heartfelt and convincing, as was the scene immediately following it where Leia is consoling him. I think Mark Hamill's performance in SW was his most natural and unaffected out of the the 3 films.

Hamill acted much better than his reputation in all three movies. [sacrilege]I actually thought there were a couple of instances in Star Wars where Harrison Ford looked pretty awful:

- The way the blaster flopped around as he fired at the stormtroopers in Docking Bay 94. Those bolts should have gone everywhere.

- "What's so important? What's he carrying?" That delivery smelled bad.

Don't get me wrong - he acted well for most of the movie and he stole the show in ESB, but he was surprisingly uneven in Star Wars.

Post: #249912
Topic: Favorite Star Wars Movie
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/249912/action/topic#249912
Time: 5-Oct-2006 11:22 PM

Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
For what it's worth I can't vote in this poll either. My favorite movie is the 6 part Star Wars Saga. I just can't separate them out anymore. What makes any one of them great makes them all great to me.

All right....this should motivate you: The Fightin 303rd Ewok Squadron is threatening to start gnawing on the shins of George Lucas - UNLESS you honestly answer the question "Which is your favorite 16.6% of The Saga, Gomer!?"

Post: #249884
Topic: Favorite Star Wars Movie
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/249884/action/topic#249884
Time: 5-Oct-2006 9:34 PM

I agree with the sentiments here, but "A New Hope" was the closest thing to "Star Wars" I could vote for. So I voted for "A New Hope".

Post: #249130
Topic: Interesting tidbit about who shot first
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/249130/action/topic#249130
Time: 2-Oct-2006 9:42 PM

Originally posted by: Ingo Sucks
From the original 1976 Star Wars novel:

Something which might have been a laugh came from the creature's translator. "They'd hardly notice. Get up, Solo. I've been looking forward to this for a long time. You've embarrased me in front of Jabba with your pious excuses for the last time."
"I think you're right."
Light and noise filled the little corner of the cantina, and when it had faded, all that remained of the unctuous alien was a smoking, slimy spot on the stone floor.

So actually we couldn't really tell who shot first. It was blotted out by the book.

Any questions?

No, but an observation. Filmed events supercede those in the novel, unless Obi Wan and Owen are brothers and I just wasn't paying attention.

No offense to you, Ingo Sucks, since I think you simply posted this in fun. Some will actually use this in all seriousness to try to confuse the issue of who shot first (or shot at all, to be precise).

This argument isn't half as good as "Lucas couldn't get the shot right at that time." If that's the case, how did he manage to make Han's shot look so convincing?

Post: #248403
Topic: was was it called ?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/248403/action/topic#248403
Time: 27-Sep-2006 9:45 PM

My source tells me the PT once had different episode titles:

Episode I: Star Wars Returns, How Could This Possibly Suck?
Episode II: Darth Vader Doesn't Like Sand
Episode III: Let's Get This Over With

Post: #248244
Topic: The Merits of the Prequel Trilogy and the "Saga"
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/248244/action/topic#248244
Time: 27-Sep-2006 2:07 AM

Originally posted by: zombie84
Thats actually very true. Works of art survive by the general consensus of the population. Its like the idea of a meme. If a work is not loved, then it withers away and is forgotten, for it has nothing of value to bring to society. If a work is loved then it is cherished and remembered, for it has something of value to bring to society. Society loved the OT with as much love as the public could have for a film series but its reaction to the PT was one of indifference, at best. The PT will sort of fade away, simply because society wont let it be recognized in the same category as Star Wars or the OOT. Why do you think Lucas is so worried to release the OOT? The decision to only have the OT-SE because "thats the one that is good and thats the one he wants the public to remember" smacks of insecurity at its most blatant. If it is as good as Lucas thinks then society will embrace it regardless of his actions or statements. And Lucas knows that society will reject the SE and uphold the OOT, which is why he has been so active to work against this. But he cant stop it. He can't change society, for all his power and control in every other facet of his life. Public opinion is the one thing that we control.

Just to expand upon this, what moments in the PT have been noted as timeless so far? I know, to quote Bill James, that "...it's impossible to anticipate history", but are there any moments in the PT which compare to any of the following?

- "Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi. You're my only hope."

- Luke staring into the sunset as the Force theme plays, frustrated by "going nowhere"

- "I must face him alone.", later followed by, "I've been waiting for you, Obi-Wan."

- Obi-Wan grinning slyly as he bows to accept his end at the blade of Vader

- The entire rest of the film starting with Red Leader's demise

- The Falcon pursued through asteroids

- Luke's failure at the cave

- Lando's betrayal and Han's freezing: "I know."

- "No...I...am your father"

- Yoda's death and the Emperor's arrival on the Death Star

- "It's a trap!!"

- The Emperor's constant taunting of Luke, especially, "You, like your father, are now...mine."

- Father and son cross sabers before the Emperor

- Vader's last psychological ploy, threatening Leia, goading Luke into action

- Luke vanquishes Vader before rejecting the Emperor: "Never. I'll never turn to the dark side. You've failed, your highness. I am a Jedi, like my father before me."

- Justifying Luke's faith, Anakin returns to the light and slays his former master

- "Tell your sister...you were right."

- Luke witnesses his father redeemed in the light with Obi-Wan and Yoda

Honestly, there is one PT moment that has the same amount of gravitas for me:

"Anakin, my allegiance is to the Republic! To DEMOCRACY!!"

I wish they hadn't used "You were the chosen one!" in the trailers, or that might have been another moment I would have liked. But showing it in trailers let all the air out of that balloon.

Post: #248210
Topic: The Merits of the Prequel Trilogy and the "Saga"
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/248210/action/topic#248210
Time: 26-Sep-2006 11:22 PM

You know, I don't intend to tear down specific groups of fans (or individual fans) when I discuss the shortcomings of the PT. I think there's an interesting dynamic ocurring here: PT fans are defending Star Wars from fans of Star Wars.

Just as Go-Mer quotes Qui-Gon with, "Your focus determines your reality", what we bring to this discussion cannot be overlooked or minimized. We all have our biases, and anyone who tries to sell me "Well, I'm objective, and..." is pretty unlikely to convince me. We're all just better off admitting where we are coming from.

For me, the OT set the bar high for future Star Wars movies. And the PT, while enjoyable at times, did not meet the established standard. Criticism of the story of the PT, while it can be valid criticism, doesn't get to the heart of the matter. The story we got in Ep. I-III, if executed more effectively, would have been satisfactory. Lucas' method of execution relied heavily upon visual effects and he wedged OT references into the PT in such a clumsy, inorganic way - I'm reminded of Boba Fett's "Hey, look at me, I'm Boba Fett" cameo in ANH:SE.

It bothers me that in order for certain PT plot points to work, I have to A) watch the Clone Wars cartoon B) reference a Lucas quote about the given scene C) read a Visual Companion or D) craft some kind of elaborate theory about why ________ happened. Here's a for instance:

Someone named "Darth Toe Jam" on another SW forum (thefarce.net) trumpets in his signature that he thought of the Anakin/Vader "Duel Persona" theory before Lucas confirmed it. The Dual Persona theory, for the unitiated, states that Anakin died when he became Darth Vader and that's why Mannequin Skywalker appears at the end of ROTJ. I have two questions:

1) Why wasn't this made evident in the movies? Why do we need to hear from George Lucas after the fact?
2) Who the Blue Hell threw the Emperor down the freaking Death Star II shaft?!? Lucas made it clear that Anakin was dead at that point!

This is the kind of thing that can drive me up a goddamn wall in the PT. Some stuff gets explained into the ground while other stuff is presented so badly that the question remains unanswered on film.

Again, I don't deny a bias in this matter, but I think by and large the majority of my criticisms of the PT are rooted in storytelling flaws.

Post: #247105
Topic: The Merits of the Prequel Trilogy and the "Saga"
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/247105/action/topic#247105
Time: 21-Sep-2006 10:38 PM

Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
So your mind is open to the possibility that you will never change your mind?

This whole line of questioning is suspicious. Either you're trying to make yourself look good -

"MY mind is open and you can't see the value in the PT because of your closed mind"

- or you're championing a totally uncritical, relativistic attitude toward the arts.

"You know, if you just look past bad dialogue, bad acting, and convoluted situations, American Pie II was as good as any comedy ever".

PT gushers have some pretty interesting methods (read: myths) for defending the PT. I feel kind of stupid for critiquing the PT, since a lot of it was pretty good and it was new Star Wars cinema, but I admit that I get a little annoyed at those PT myths.

MYTH: Both the PT and OT featured bad acting, so how can you criticize the PT for its bad acting?
FACT: New York City and San Jose, California are major American cities. That doesn't mean they are comparable cities (no offense, San Jose). What I'm getting at is that there are degrees. San Jose is the 10th largest city in America - population 950,000 plus. NYC? Over 8 million. See what I'm saying?

MYTH: Your mind is not open.
FACT: Casting aspersions at critics doesn't make the flaws go away. If I contend that the following line of dialogue is poor -

MACE
You know, Your Highness, Count Dooku was once a Jedi. He wouldn't assassinate anyone, it is not in his character. (emphasis mine)

- you can call me every name in the book, but let's face it. "You know" is lazy, dime-store exposition. (This is the part where you give me the "from your own point of view" speech...speaking of which)

ANAKIN
From my point of view, the Jedi are evil! (emphasis mine)

(In the middle of a death match, Anakin needs to elaborate to Obi-Wan that this is his own perspective!? I think Obi-Wan figured out where Anakin stood on this issue when he watched the temple security hologram, or when Anakin came after him with both barrels. Anyway, more myth-busting)

MYTH: You complain that the PT is an effects showcase, aren't effects what drew us into the OT in the first place?
FACT: Many of these myths sound good because there is a good deal of truth in them. Of course the effects drew us into the OT. The thing is, it kept our attention through characters we genuinely cared for. The lasting memories I have of the OT come from the drama. Unfortunately, most of the lasting memories of the PT I have come from the eye candy. There are exceptions - one of the best lines in all the Saga comes from Obi-Wan in ROTS: "My allegiance is to the Republic - to DEMOCRACY!" The anger, sorrow, and despair in that line is top shelf. I was genuinely moved, and it's just a shame there wasn't more of that in the PT.
George Lucas was proud of the fact that in ROTJ, they built an elaborate set for Jabba's Sail Barge without giving the audience a tour of the thing (I'm looking at you, Star Trek: The Motion Picture!). He didn't care for filmmaking which "showed off" all the work they did; he didn't want the set to dominate the picture. Then, in 1999, he gave a CGI character a major role in a Star Wars movie. How soon they forget.

MYTH: That (Greedo shoots, midichlorians, Jar-Jar, NOOOOOOOOO!, fill-in-the-blank) was part of Lucas' Ultimate Artistic Vision(TM) all along.
FACT: (1) Bullshit. Just because he's the one with access to his archives - we're supposed to take him at his word that _________ was in the hopper this whole time? Lucas has lied about many other things - why am I supposed to believe this assertion?
FACT: (2) Even if it is true, THERE IS A GOOD REASON HE DIDN'T USE THAT STUFF BACK WHEN HE HAD HIS YOUTHFUL EDGE. Age and wealth have changed him, like it does everyone. It's patently obvious to most that the OT didn't suffer artistically for those omissions.

MYTH: Lucas is a great auteur.
FACT: Yeah, what did John Williams, Ben Burtt, and ILM ever bring to the Star Wars Saga? Because of the collaborative nature of film, the whole idea of the auteur filmmaker is a little suspect to begin with; Star Wars films in particular require a lot of manpower. I don't dispute that the bulk of the credit or blame lies with Lucas, but Uncle George's lapdogs seem to think the Saga is all George. The most devoted PT fans ought to scoff at the idea of Lucas=Kurosawa.

MYTH: OT fans are "fanboys".
FACT: "Fanboy" is to Star Wars fan community what "Communist" is American Politics, 1955. Whenever the word "fanboy" brings to mind the segment of fans you dislike the most, it's long past time to retire the word. It has no denotation whatsoever.

I appreciate PT defenders that don't resort to Killing The Messenger or Comparing Rocks To Boulders. Refute the assertion, please - don't try to hide it in the OT or create a diversion.

And my mind is as open as my biases will allow - just the same as you, thanks.

Post: #247034
Topic: The Merits of the Prequel Trilogy and the "Saga"
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/247034/action/topic#247034
Time: 21-Sep-2006 8:39 PM

Originally posted by: Scruffy
...there's already a perfectly serviceable word for the characters being described, that is, "children."...

To that point, in AOTC Anakin says, recounting his slaughter of the Tuskens: "...the women and children too!" Why not "younglings" here? Not that I want more of the Y-word, but at least there would be consistency.

I'm already cringing at the upcoming SE "repair":

"The Emperor knew, as I did, that if Anakin were to have any younglings, they would be a threat to him."

Post: #246967
Topic: The Merits of the Prequel Trilogy and the "Saga"
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/246967/action/topic#246967
Time: 21-Sep-2006 6:36 PM

If you gentlemen hate the Prequels this much, why start a thread in this forum about it?

I'm not a PT hater, but there are other, larger SW forums where anything negative about the PT=ban.

Post: #246573
Topic: The Merits of the Prequel Trilogy and the "Saga"
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/246573/action/topic#246573
Time: 20-Sep-2006 7:32 PM

Originally posted by: Jumpman
Well, a version of the midichlorians was at one point in either an early draft of Star Wars or in his early notes about Star Wars. It's not something he came up with in the mid-90's. He's had the idea for it or a version of it in his notes since the beginning.

As far as the Jedi jumping, why is this an issue? Luke did about the same thing at the beginning of Return of the Jedi during the Sail Barge sequence. Nobody said anything back then....or now.

Obviously, his instinct not to include them in Star Wars was correct. The Force was much cooler when it couldn't be quantified. In Star Wars, command of the Force was apparently attainable to those willing to walk the path...in The Phantom Menace, command of the Force comes from winning the genetic lottery.

As for jumping - yes, it was there in Empire and Jedi, but sparingly and not to any insane extremes. Luke jumps about twenty feet staright up on Bespin; Obi-Wan jumps about sixty while he and Qui-Gon battled Darth Maul. Mace Windu Supermanned his way across the entire Geonosis arena.

There was jumping in both trilogies, but look at the degrees. Big difference.

Post: #246567
Topic: The Merits of the Prequel Trilogy and the "Saga"
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/246567/action/topic#246567
Time: 20-Sep-2006 7:19 PM

Well, this certainly seems to be an A-B conversation, but since the thread title isn't specifically directed at Go-Mer, here goes.

I personally wouldn't have written that story for Episodes 1-3, but the story itself isn't so bad. It was the execution. Midichlorians were unnecessary, the Flying Jedi Brothers was annoying sometimes, the dialogue was bad at times, and spending 1/3 of the PT on Anakin's childhood was WAAAY too much.

Simply adjusting those four elements would have made the PT much better - in particular ROTS - and made the Saga more cohesive.

But although I much prefer the OT, I can enjoy the PT for what it is. It's not as enjoyable as the OT and downright cringeworthy at times, but it's a whole lot better than the zero Star Wars films we got for fourteen years.

Post: #245796
Topic: "BUT ANAMORPHIC ENHANCEMENT ALTERS THE MOVIES!!!"
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/245796/action/topic#245796
Time: 19-Sep-2006 12:52 AM

Back to the topic...I love how Luca$ has this Ultimate Artistic Vision Which May Not Be Compromised, yet he releases these things in full screen.

Damn, that's hilarious.

"I believe, with all the integrity I possess, that my artistic standards, as realized in a such a visual medium as motion pictures, should not be infringed upon or interfered with in the least."

"George, should we release this 29th Star Wars release in full screen?"

"Wait a minute! In full screen presentation, my Ultimate Artistic Vision (TM) could be compromised by as much as 45%"

"George, while taking your time and weighing this dilemma carefully, understand that the potential gains in sales could be-"

"PRINT THEM, DAMN YOU!!"

Post: #245660
Topic: Waiting for Episode VII during the lean years (1984-1998)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/245660/action/topic#245660
Time: 18-Sep-2006 7:22 PM

I watched SW on HBO when I was seven, ROTJ at the theater when I was eight, and ESB as a rental when I was ten. I loved them then, but considering how the end of Jedi wrapped up in a neat little bow, the idea of more SW films didn't cross my mind.

I enjoyed the explosion of the EU starting with Zahn's Thrawn trilogy. Some of the EU was very good, even great at times, a lot of it was bad, but it was nice to have Star Wars around in some capacity. I bought the 1995 release, the 1997 release, and I was really psyched to hear that a new SW movie would be released in 1999.

Seven years later, the PT feels like EU material: some of it was good, even great at times, a lot of it was bad, but it was nice to have Star Wars back in some capacity. To me, anything beyond the OT is bonus: even if it falls on its face, I always have the OT to fall back on.

I don't want to keep the thread off-topic, but I'll just say this on the subject of the OT and PT being criticized for the same elements.

It's degrees.

There may be bad acting in the OT just as in the PT. But if there is a scale of bad acting, with a '1' being "sometimes the performances are inconsistent" and a '10' being "an Andy Sidaris film", the OT would occasionally go to 2. The PT spent a lot of time in 3 and would often get to 5.[

Post: #245050
Topic: Try to take it easy with the Lucas bashing.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/245050/action/topic#245050
Time: 16-Sep-2006 10:58 PM

Originally posted by: EvanOz85
If you're referring to me as being someone who is "protecting him", well then you're sadly mistaken. I'm only pointing out the utter stupidity of wasting your life worrying about if Lucas is a fraud or a liar. There are many frauds and liars in the world..and many of them are doing REAL damage to the world. Complaining about Lucas and how "oh so terriibllee" he is on a forum, is just as dorky and loseresque as it gets.

And defending him to the ends of the earth - as your role model Gomer does - isn't dorky and isn't loseresque? And defending that defender isn't dorky and loseresque?

Criticizing people who criticize Lucas for criticizing Lucas - yeah, you're brilliant. Way to go. By the way, that card you keep flipping over? It says the same thing on both sides. You're welcome.

Why are you here anyway? There is an obvious bias inherent in this site, so if you don't agree with it why be here? That's like me, a San Antonio Spurs fan, spending time on a Lakers or Mavericks site. I don't like those teams, therefore I don't spend time at forums about them.

See how this works?

Well, you're probably a hardcore PT fan, so I probably need to spend the nest six hours spelling everything out. It'll probably be more compelling than your favorite trilogy.

Post: #244832
Topic: How I learned to stop worrying and love the 2004 dvd's
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244832/action/topic#244832
Time: 15-Sep-2006 11:37 PM

I'm glad you found a way to enjoy them. I found three significant reasons I cannot particularly enjoy them:

1) Greedo Shoots
2) "Alert my Star Destroyer to alert the Death Star to alert the Emperor to alert Admiral Piett..."
3) Mannequin Skywalker standing together with a Yoda puppet and Alec Guiness

No matter how much I play with the color, those scenes are still there.

Post: #244786
Topic: Try to take it easy with the Lucas bashing.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244786/action/topic#244786
Time: 15-Sep-2006 8:23 PM

Originally posted by: EvanOz85
No, I wouldn't. Because it's not worth getting bent out of shape over a frigging Star Wars forum.

So it's worth pointing out, then? If this sort of behavior doesn't appeal to you, you're not doing a good job in being above it.

Post: #244418
Topic: Amazon Top 100 Ratings for the OOT DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244418/action/topic#244418
Time: 14-Sep-2006 7:34 PM

What are the rankings?

Post: #244405
Topic: Try to take it easy with the Lucas bashing.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/244405/action/topic#244405
Time: 14-Sep-2006 7:14 PM

Stop right here.

Seriously.

Before anyone here goes any further, I want a question answered:

What is "hate" for Lucas?

George Lucas can anger me at times. I think he's a delusional spin-master, but I don't hate him. I don't wish him ill will or misfortune. I firmly support his rights as an artist. I don't have a big problem with the SE's or the PT, but I have a big problem with his deck-stacking (bad-looking OUT vs. beautiful SE) in this release.

If that's hate, you are entirely too sensitive.

As for people wishing death on Lucas, these people are in need of psychiatric help or they're PT fans trying to paint OT fans in a bad light. These are not real fans and they should not be taken seriously.

Post: #242152
Topic: Just saw TV ad for DVDs for the first time....
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/242152/action/topic#242152
Time: 8-Sep-2006 2:21 AM

I'm starting to think Lucas resents ALL of the Original Trilogy - the OUT, the SE, the SE 2.0, the whole kit and kaboodle.

I mean, I see this TV ad with one dorky family talking about enjoying the Trilogy and it just comes off so badly. I cannot imagine being a casual fan, seeing that ad and thinking, "Wow! I gotta get me some of that!" And as a more impassioned observer, I'm so totally unimpressed by that ad. It doesn't move me at all. These days, hyping the product has been about all Lucasfilm has gotten right.

My "Lucas resentment theory" isn't that farfetched - I'm sure we have all heard tales of artists being disenchanted with their early work. Perhaps Luca$ sees anything connected to the Original Trilogy as so studio-tainted that no amount of Special Editioning can fix, whereas the Prequel Trilogy was done by his hands only and is therefore superior - from a certain point of view.

I'm just glad that Lucas can't tamper with the love I still have for those classics