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Wow! So many posts to catch up on. I could just let them pass without comment, but where's the fun in that? Then again, I don't have all day, so I'll just hit a few:

TV's Frink said:

I didn't realize about time could belong to it.

vote_for_palpatine said:

Its about time I got me one of those.

Nanner Split said:

 I have absolutely no idea what this thread is about.

Lazy Lucas, was Lazy. said:

LO-fukcing L!!!!1!!!!1!

bkev said:

Just a reminder to everyone since there's more traffic on this thread - go to VFP's best song thread and make your picks.

Apparently Widmore wanted more than to simply return to the island. He and his submarine goons will undoubtedly hook up with EIG and Sawyer.

As I've said elsewhere, I approve of text mountains from dinosaur lovers.

Here is the Google links bag.

That was my point in re: Tomb Raider.

It was 20:15. I only responded to the OP's request.

OK. Now what?

Now that you mention it, I need to clarify the thread title once more.

I opt for both approaches.

All right; for those with too many puppies, then you will get fruit cup.

All right, we've got nominees from:

vote_for_palpatine

bkev

Moth3r

Let's do this thing! Then when we have our winner, we can put it in our iPods and listen to it over and over and over. Won't that be fun?

That rejection was worth it. No pictures of censure for you.

This thread is now about...19TH CENTURY STATESMEN!!!

This thread is now about...POST #1000!!!!

Thank you, but it sounds like a trap.

This thread is now about...can I make it about the TV show referenced above?

So i don't double post here...

-I don't watch poker on TV, but I do see it when I'm flipping channels. Why are those guys allowed to wear sunglasses and hats and hoods and all that stuff? I always thought "tells" were part of the fabric of poker, and managing your own tells and reading the tells of others was integral to the game. But in those competitions they just mask the tells right out of the game! How stupid.

-Is that Guy Fieri hosting that new "Minute To Win It" game show on NBC? Ugh. Somebody do something about this. The premise of that show seems interesting, but that blonde-dyed prick will definitely keep me from giving it a first look.

(sorry, long rant)

But more to the point, what is the problem exactly? If T&A is cheap, as in Padme's instant half-shirt, that's bad art, a lousy bit of man service. Or if it's a crime-fighting superwoman in high-heeled go-go boots, well, that's more obvious cheap fan service. But this idea that sexuality cheapens art generally is asinine, unless one subscribes to the puritanical idea that sex is a negative impulse.

"Oh, but this sort of thing objectifies women." No, acting objectifies everyone in the profession. Not only do I not know these actors, I have no chance of knowing them. Outside of my life circle, everyone is an object. That's not to say they would remain objects if I somehow got to know them - of course they would not. But all we know of these people beyond their roles is the personae they use on the talk-show circuit. We can, if we choose, learn little additional snippets about these people - who they marry, what their kids' names are, where they grew up - but all we get is an image. Every factoid sharpens the image a little, but it's still an image. It's nothing like knowing someone in the way that we know the people in our everyday lives. If being objectified is a problem, being an actor only makes it worse - for actors of either gender. 

I don't care for anything gratuitous - sex, violence, profanity - you name it. But there is a place for these elements depending on the type of movie it is. And a filmmaker drawing too deeply from the T&A well may be sexist, but he/she may not be. Who can tell? How can one know what's in someone's heart from such scant evidence, especially when there may be pressure from studio bosses to ramp up the hotness? I'm not God. If you're (no one specific, the collective you) comfortable with declaring "Sexism!" here, well, you must have a phenomenally flawless method of reading people and their intentions. And of course, you must have a problem with actresses who choose to participate in this affront to womanhood.

Gaff,

It was my idea that your calling it "sexualization" made it a less severe problem than outright sexism. Was i wrong?

No, you did - but others are seeing this as more of a problem than you and I do.

Sexism sounds inherently bad.

And TheBoost, don't feel too bad. NP was sixteen-seventeen when TPM was filmed. Only about a year younger than you, no?

None of them are seventy:

Ford (b 1942)

Stallone (b 1946)

Seagal (b 1952)

Chan (b 1954)

Willis (b 1955)

And the lion's share of their work as action heroes came when they were in their 30's-40's. The only reason they've gotten work in action flicks in their 50's-60's is because of their body of work from their younger days.

1) Did Warbler defend the status quo, or just state it?

2) How can this be undone or remedied? The vast majority of people seem to okay with it - filmmakers, filmgoers, and most importantly the actresses themselves.

TV's Frink said:

C3PX said:

Just looked it up, yes, your right. It is Japanese, not Chinese. My mistake.

That's good to know.  Anyone know how to say PROBATION!!! in Japanese?

According to Google translations it's SHIKKO YUYO!!!