twooffour

CP3S said:

twooffour said:

Pretty sure it was a cop-out at the last writing minute.

And now a flash-sideways to the pleasant conversation we could be having.

I agree. Not only was it a cop-out, but I think it was also a product of a show written by numerous writers, a tight writing schedule, and a limited number of episodes to wrap everything up in.

 

I don't think I've missed anything. That you can't change the past, that was Faraday's "theory".
It was first doubted by Hurley in his (timeless) nerd discussion with the Asian dude, when he brought up some inconsistency concerning young Ben.
Then Faraday started doubting it when trying to warn young Charlotte, so basically, no one actually ever said that you can't change the past.

But Faraday wasn't able to save Charlotte, and we found out that he was the scary man Charlotte remembered talking to and being freak out by in her childhood, indicting that everything that happened had always happened.

I guess in that case, the reason for the bomb not going off could be more accurately put as, it didn't go off because it never went off.

 

Needless to say, there are only two possibilities a "you can't change the past with time travel" scenario can make sense:
-Fate - some kinda intelligent force interfering and preventing things from happening.
-Determinism - free will is a complete illusion, everything is determined.

Those are definitely themes the show juggled around a lot.

I think the show often came out in support of the Determinism through most of its existence, by then in the last season switched it all over to Jacob (essentially playing the role of "fate") being the force that ensured everything happened as it was suppose to.

 

So I'm guessing it's the first one here, with Jacob and all, I just find it really lame.
Obviously, if the cause is a supernatural force, Faraday can't possible have been "right" about his theory that was based on scientific ground ;)
So I think the plot's a huge mess :D

I think it is lame too. I actually think, thanks to the many different writers of the show, a lot of different things are going on at different times.

I felt Faraday's theories were the most intriguing and fun answers the show ever explored (a big part of what made seasons 4 and 5 as good as they were). The "wizard did it" stuff with Jacob was a massive part of my disappointment in season 6.

I agree. Not only was it a cop-out, but I think it was also a product of a show written by numerous writers, a tight writing schedule, and a limited number of episodes to wrap everything up in.

But Faraday wasn't able to save Charlotte, and we found out that he was the scary man Charlotte remembered talking to and being freak out by in her childhood, indicting that everything that happened had always happened.

I guess in that case, the reason for the bomb not going off could be more accurately put as, it didn't go off because it never went off.

I think the show often came out in support of the Determinism through most of its existence, by then in the last season switched it all over to Jacob (essentially playing the role of "fate") being the force that ensured everything happened as it was suppose to.

I think it is lame too. I actually think, thanks to the many different writers of the show, a lot of different things are going on at different times.

I felt Faraday's theories were the most intriguing and fun answers the show ever explored (a big part of what made seasons 4 and 5 as good as they were). The "wizard did it" stuff with Jacob was a massive part of my disappointment in season 6.

CP3S said:

twooffour said:

Yea, I didn't check my cache, but I remember visiting this site from another PC, and the picture he referred to WAS VISIBLE THERE.
So maybe it really had something to do with location.

 

 

 

So, somehow, I could see it there, but you can't. Still a cache problem? You said something about gifs "expiring" and "renewing", is that in any way related?

Please, please, read or don't bother.

 

 

The only way to find out is to CLEAR THE FUCKING CACHE ON THE COMPUTER YOU ARE SEEING IT ON! You seem to daft to figure it out on your own, but that means BOTH fucking computers. The computer you posted on, and on that other computer you saw the image on.

I don't know why that other computers could see the image. Only you can find that out for sure. If it is a public computer, it is possible someone else looked at that picture before, or that you looked at the picture at some point and forgot, and that it was in your cache. 

The regional thing is extremely unlikely, but I suppose it isn't out of the realm of possibility. If you cleared the cache on both computers and they can still see the image, then the problem is obviously something else. I am still nearly 100% certain it is showing up because the image is in the cache of both computers. Depending on the browser's settings, the image could have been visited months or even years before and the computer could still be holding a saved copy.

Well, it was a public computer, but as far as I know, one that clears its cache everytime it's turned off.

I certainly hadn't looked at it there (I mean the original page), but I guess IF what I was told by the responsible student was somehow not true and it stores images for years, then yea, I guess the probability that someone else had visited it isn't that off.
I mean, it's rather counter-intuitive, but then I found it by googling "old man dancing" and it was the funniest picture there, so I guess it's possible.

I'll be sure to check in the future.

As to your question of whether or not I am feeling stupid now. Yes, I do rather. Making attempts at trying to carry on intelligent conversations with a lesser evolved simian life form makes me feel very stupid indeed. The smart thing to do would be to toss you a banana leaving you contented and walk away.

ChainsawAsh said:

twooffour:

- When you post an image, clear your cache and check to make sure it displays.

- If it does, Yay!  Your'e good!

- If it doesn't, then you have two options:

A) Go find another copy of the picture online and go back to step 1.

B) Copy the original image to your hard drive and reupload it to imgur or photobucket or wherever you want, then go back and use THAT one in step 1.

 

There.  Was it really that hard to figure it out without getting into whiny bitch mode?

I already got that part the first time, thanks.

What everyone seems not to get, is that there apparently was ANOTHER problem with a picture I posted.
And this is the last time I'm mentioning it.

heh

Well from the looks of it, and according to CP, I DID get it (that I should check my cache to make sure a picture can be posted), but you refused to clear up things after I pointed out some inconsistencies in that, so my complaint is also valid.

(And that picture wasn't on any other webpage)

CP3S said:

twooffour said:

What I don't get is why the bomb didn't blow up. Or it blew up, but only like a firecraker? I forget.

I guess you missed the part about not being able to change the past? The island blows up in the past, no plane crash in the future; plan did crash in the future, therefore island can't blow up in the past.

Initially season six seemed pretty amazing when the idea seemed to be that we were dealing with split timelines,

'Timeline A': Desmond doesn't press the button and brings down the plane.

'Timeline B': Bomb blows up the island resulting in no button, no stranded Desmond, and no plane crash. All the influences the island had on the outside world from that point on never happened, resulting in significant variations in the lives of many of the main characters.

I really loved the 'Timeline B' concept being shown through the flash-sideways, which really added to the disappointment when the show revealed that the flash-sideways were just the characters existences in limbo, and not actually a 'Timeline B'.

:(

 

Pretty sure it was a cop-out at the last writing minute.

I don't think I've missed anything. That you can't change the past, that was Faraday's "theory".
It was first doubted by Hurley in his (timeless) nerd discussion with the Asian dude, when he brought up some inconsistency concerning young Ben.
Then Faraday started doubting it when trying to warn young Charlotte, so basically, no one actually ever said that you can't change the past.


Needless to say, there are only two possibilities a "you can't change the past with time travel" scenario can make sense:
-Fate - some kinda intelligent force interfering and preventing things from happening.
-Determinism - free will is a complete illusion, everything is determined.

So I'm guessing it's the first one here, with Jacob and all, I just find it really lame.
Obviously, if the cause is a supernatural force, Faraday can't possible have been "right" about his theory that was based on scientific ground ;)
So I think the plot's a huge mess :D

TV's Frink said:

It's amazing how many idiots surround twooffour every time he posts.  I think he's LOST reality.

Yea, happens all the time in real life.
If you didn't know that, and thought that majority decides accuracy, it's about time you realize it now.

I hate to be resembling a certain former member of this community here (one you were so certain for a fact was me, although it was just your unsupported opinion... heh, nice one, that was), but herd mentality is the obvious explanation.


We're not talking about "everytime he posts SOMEWHERE" here - we're talking about here, with about the same people reading. Who remember past incidents.

And it's very likely for a group to focus on an individual (or some other particular group), and start acting stupid around them without even realizing.
Some of it may have to do with the formed intent to "dismiss this stupid person", and from that comes paying less attention, selective reading, artificial dismissal of points, and the whole jazz chart basically.

I've been on the other side of the fence quite a few times (someone on the board labeled as a doofus, or troll, or whatever - and I realize how my reactions to that person start to change), so I know what I'm talking about.

I bet you've never been on the other side (surrounded by a bunch of people with idiotic accusations and statements, still knowing you're right because you can actually back up), so you don't know. Oh well.

TV's Frink said:

Bingowings said:

Bingo, if this is another washing pans reference, I suggest you find one that doesn't features a little girl.  That's a bit weird.

Feeling a bit insecure, aren't we? :p

I know innocently washing the dishes is a porn staple... but come on...

CP3S said:

twooffour said:

And if I'm such a noob I hadn't known that, how am I supposed to make sure everyone else has it in their cache, too, so they can see the picture, based on your little "hint"?

Hahahahaha!!!

This post proves beyond a doubt that you are either a bigger fucking idiot than I ever realized, or you simply didn't read Fink's post. Or maybe we're working with a language gap here. He explained in detail what you had to do to see if your images are working or not. I was actually shocked myself to see him nicely and politely trying to help you, and extremely amused that you responded to his effort with hostility.

You CAN'T make sure it is in everyone elses caches. What you can do, and what Fink explained how to do, is figure out if the only reason you are seeing it is because it is in YOUR cache.  If hot linking isn't allowed for an image, and the host is going through an effort to keep it from being hot linked, then you just need to find that image in another location or resolve to use another image.

...

And if I'm such a noob I hadn't known that, how am I supposed to make sure everyone else has it in their cache, too, so they can see the picture, based on your little "hint"?

So I guess the answer is avoiding the pictures that don't show, eh?

Haven't I already said I've been on another computer and the same picture worked just fine? I hadn't visited the original page on that one.

So, somehow, I could see it there, but you can't. Still a cache problem? You said something about gifs "expiring" and "renewing", is that in any way related?

CP3S said:

twooffour said:

I thought that was the argument, not the point.

It is really amusing how everything is an argument or a debate to you.[/QUOTE]

"Argument" as in "argument backing up a thesis/point", not "argument=intensive debate".

But hey, yea, post something like "242 is always right!!" to something completely unrelated, just to annoy me, and then complain how I take it as an attack ;)


[QUOTE]To everyone else it is twofortwo being a total blatant retard, and to you it is proving how right you always are.

Yea, like last time when everyone thought I was a retard for not getting the difference between opinion and fact, posting simplified 1st grader explanations to "teach" me?

And then... and then... lol.

For example, your response to this will be a potentially very long explanation (or a statement at the very least) about how it is in fact I who am the blatant idiot who is experiencing a reality "fail" (I swear the word "fail" appears in every freakin' one of your posts), while you are the one who couldn't be any more right if you tried.

If you use "irony" then anyone who doesn't get it or pretends not to get it is clearly lacking in comprehension abilities (and are experiencing some sort of "fail"), but when you do it, it is because the irony that you missed or are pretending to miss was clearly an "irony fail" on the part of the other poster.

 

Well, in this case, I'm pretty sure I got your irony when you put "right" in quotation marks, because, surprise, it was actually sacasrm!!
That was a pretty easy one, as well as an old one, so come on.

It was also an irony fail, because you apparently really believed it was representative of what I think of myself.

I generally don't consider myself superior on ANYTHING, to ANYONE, before things get going, only when I HAPPEN to get into a situation where everyone around me seems to be acting like a complete dunce, and I can actually articulate and prove it time and time again.
Even then, the appearence is mostly of otherwise intelligent people being on a "wave of stupid" for some reason, rather than complete idiots - on forums like this, I mean, you never know about Avatards!

Trying to caricature that with an accusation of general blind arrogance, is just lame.

RedFive said:

¡BIG LOST SPOILERS!

RE: Changing the past - I think it's the former, that they couldn't change the past, and season five was just a huge waste of time (for some of the characters).  But just because they wasted their time doesn't mean we (the viewers) did.  I think it's sort of unprecedented that they had this huge finale and this whole bomb/canging-the-past storyline and it all failed miserably.  They were still in denial of the fact that they were actually brought to the island for a puspose, and in fighting against it they ended up killing one  of their friends (Juliet).  And then, once they realized it at the beginning of season six they all started dealing with it in their own ways: Jack finally started to 'give in' to the island, and James became a depressive loner.

But regardless of all this, on its own merits season five was great.  The time travel storyline, the action, the mysteries.   It was all so fast paced, entertaining, and well made.  Remarkable television.

What I don't get is why the bomb didn't blow up. Or it blew up, but only like a firecraker? I forget.

Was it like, fate? Jacob? Like in the Black Rock, they ignited a bomb and the fire just went out?
Did Juliet fall into the pit because they tried to escape their fate?

I dunno... I agree it was very well made, and engaging, but plotwise, that seems to me on the level of "a Force did it".
It's just lame.

Why, why did they change the alternative timeline to the afterlife? That was SUCH a cool plot.

doubleofive said:

 

twooffour said:

Yea, you gave a hidden stealth "tip" and then refused to elaborate, or address the fact that your "help" was so incomplete and lacking, it was basically useless.

2/4, his tip was the same tip we give everyone who posts a broken hotlink, and we've never had to explain it any more than that.

 

Whatever.

I guess if I say I don't get it, beyond that I should resort to posting OTHER gifs that work with an empty cache (even though they did work on another computer I hardly ever use), then your robot mind doesn't know what to say next.

Screw this.

TV's Frink said:

My answer: Try to help twooffour in any way, shape, or form.

 

Yea, you gave a hidden stealth "tip" and then refused to elaborate, or address the fact that your "help" was so incomplete and lacking, it was basically useless.

Big noble helper reached out his hand in help, but the gnomes wouldn't take it. Pfft, not gonna make that mistake again.


What an arrogant, pompous statement, and building a thread around that... how about you said "never gonna make a stupid mistake about the application of quotation marks again"?
But you're not gonna do that, are you.

Alright, here's another one:
"I will never make another contribution in my Sensible Posting thread."
So, how about that? Gonna walk the walk?

Actually I've seen the entire 1st season.

So I saw the first couple of episode of Jericho, I thought it was kinda cool, nukes, Skeet Ulrich and all, but I turned off after that!

Why? No idea. Let's discuss!!

So Frink's LOST argument, what was it again? ;)

xhonzi said:

2/4 & Bingo-

You're both right and I'm not sure why you're arguing.

The PT & OT as they currently are depict the fact that Anakin and Vader are the same as a little known secret.  Of the living, it appears that only Vader, Palpatine, Obi-Wan and Yoda know the truth at the beginning of A New Hope, and potentially Bail.  So, having it be even more of a secret (?) to the rest of the Star Wars galaxy doesn't change/fix anything.  Making it ambiguous to the audience would be cool, but that's a discussion for another thread *cough*http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/forum.cfm/Script-Writing-and-Re-writing/forum/21/*cough*

But Anakin can still be a very famous war hero from the Clone Wars and not wreck the secret.  And, in my mind, he was well known to people who knew what was going on in the Wars.

And that's why Binks' idea is redundant and silly ;)

^^ see above ^^

Anyway, thanks for claiming you gave me a tip about hotlinking, while you hadn't, and now weaseling out with this one.

And if I'm such a noob I hadn't known that, how am I supposed to make sure everyone else has it in their cache, too, so they can see the picture, based on your little "hint"?

So I guess the answer is avoiding the pictures that don't show, eh?
Haven't I already said I've been on another computer and the same picture worked just fine? I hadn't visited the original page on that one.

So, somehow, I could see it there, but you can't. Still a cache problem? You said something about gifs "expiring" and "renewing", is that in any way related?

I thought that was the argument, not the point. Would be rather weird for it be the point, if the actual point of the context was the hotlinking, eh?
As it stands, the point is as wrong (obviously) as it is a poor, cheap strawman if you consider the quotation marks.

Anyway, thanks for claiming you gave me a tip about hotlinking, while you hadn't, and now weaseling out with this one.

Dishonesty and forgetfulness...


... definitely.

Jesus, for someone who acts like he's smarter than everyone else on the forum, you sure are dumb sometimes.

Wrong. I only act this way when it's true (i.e. when I have all reasons to conclude that, and it keeps reaffirming itself again and again) - and a situation where I obviously lack knowledge about how hotlinking works, is obviously not included... hence me ASKING QUESTIONS on this subjects.

Not to mention neither I nor C3PX were even talking about hotlinking in that quote.

Actually you were, I asked whether it was my or the internet's fault, and CP said the internet's because I'm always right.
LOL.


And no, you didn't describe anything. First you said "don't think it depends on countries, not sure, whatever", then you said I needed the gifs (or some of them) in my cache in order to see them on my screen.

I'm pretty sure you thought it though... so thanks for the help, I'll be finding out anyway.


PS: Just read through your 3-4 posts on this on the last page, to be sure, and... yea, you didn't say nothing.
Well then.

TV's Frink said:

twooffour said:

TV's Frink said:

CP3S said:

Probably the internet's, it is official now (and we must accept) that twofortwo is almost always "right."

Fixed.

So that means I don't actually suck at hotlinking?

Looks like someone doesn't understand "quotes" as well as he claims to, eh C3?

So now I do suck at hotlinking, because the caches on other computers don't have the gifs in them?

What now?
Lots of prancing around and misaimed attempts at "irony", and I still see no answer.

TV's Frink said:

 

Bingo, why even try?

Try what? Denying sense and logic?

Yea, Bingo, why you doing that? It's futile, you know.

TV's Frink said:

CP3S said:

Probably the internet's, it is official now (and we must accept) that twofortwo is almost always "right."

Fixed.

So that means I don't actually suck at hotlinking?