twooffour

TV's Frink said:

Actually, I should thank him for pointing that out, as one of my jobs at FE.org is to edit out blatant piracy requests.  And I hadn't noticed that previously.

....

What am I saying? There's no reason to "thank" him.  He'd just turn it around into some long-winded post about how WONG I "am."

Well if you read some copyright texts, getting free copies from others (or giving them) is also illegal. So there.

But hey, you know, don't go there (like any other normal member of a forum would), just keep asking for copies.
Or GO BY THE FUCKING DVD, to support the company. Do you think you can afford one little season of a year-old show?

I just thought I'd help.

PS: So I've removed the name of the site in my post. If you're so worried about "forced exposure", feel free to do the same.
I really don't give one.

Maybe I've just watched RedLetterMedia too much (and boy, I have), but I firmly believe that the quality of a movie of this kind, as such, is primarily decided by the characters, their arcs, and the structure of the story.

I realize movies can have other goodies worth watching (special effects, aesthetics, ideas, interesting plot, cool one-liners, whatever - the Nostalgia Critic likes Matrix Reloaded because... it doesn't focus on the characters he disliked anyway, but has lots of cool action and pseudo-philosophy), but if you just rate movies as a whole?


I mean, come on, people.
ROTJ may have a few scenes where Ford acts kinda weird, and have its weaker parts on Endor, but it still has a charismatic, strong protagonist with an effective arc and awesome climax, strong villains, genuine and entertaining characters, and overall strong emotional involvement.
ANH may not have the emotion, but all of the fun, character and structure.

Please, what does TPM have to be compared to that, in any way?
Not a single main character you can really identify with, or follow. Qui-Gon wants to train the boy, Obi-Wan wins the battle, Anakin the podrace. Padme wins her case.
All of these characters, a few moments and lines aside, range from boring and bland to annoying.

The story is an incoherent mess because it can't even establish the villains' motivations, or, I dunno, THE WHOLE POINT OF THE DAMN MOVIE.

The final duel may be epic, but in terms of character, it's earth and heaven when compared to ROTJ.
Sure, the movie's kinda fast-paced and fun at places, sometimes it even feels almost alive... and the same goes for II and III, but I maybe has the least of the "boring pretentious dialogue" stuff... but come on?

Just wondering whether the people giving the two movies the same (or almost) the same thing have actually thought things through. :)

Well yea, and his credibility ALSO sinks by him behaving like a bad guy all the time ;)

But there are many possibilities.

Good points!

That would've been cool.
Although in terms of edting and "slight" alterations, probably less like Cassandra, and more like Kiefer Sutherland from Dark City... you know... trying to warn against the bad guy, but then turning around and doing his bidding whenever he's watched :)

Um, I said he can shield himself from detection, and play a trick here and there - anything but this horrible "universal telepathic manipulation of everyone in the whole galaxy" plot device they went with.

Also should've toned down the whole "all events in this movie were his plan all long" part a bit - should've made it a bit of a struggle for him! Show some parts where the good guys could've succeeded in stopping him, but somehow didn't - that would've also added some additional layers to the Hitler parallel.

I mean, the guy who got thrown down the shaft by a giant robot, because he was so mad and angry at Luke for a couple of minutes? That guy had been the screenwriter of the universe for decades?
Please. Make him very powerful, but not God-like - that only creates problems.

The whole "clouding minds" idea was stupid to begin with.
He could've been able to shield himself from easy detection, or maybe play tricks on people here and there, but that's fucking it.

If anyone has the german dvds or a dvd with a german audio track it would be amazing if you could send me the audio

Go to "a site with stuff", they've got all the German synchros there. You'll have to download it piece by piece, though (episodes usually broken up in 3-5 parts).

In case you mind, I don't think getting a free copy from someone who bought it would be much better :)
You can also buy them at amazon :D

Hey, I can't know what's going on inside your head, but I can certainly make reasonable deductions from how a post is written:


"And if I'm such a noob I hadn't known that, how am I supposed to make sure everyone else has it in their cache, too, so they can see the picture, based on your little "hint"? [This is a joke. I thought there was a way to make a picture appear on the page through some trick, and it obviously can't be achieved through altering others' caches.]

So I guess the answer is avoiding the pictures that don't show, eh?"
Yea, that means if I see a picture that doesn't work with hotlinking, I just have to let it be - which is kinda obvious, but also lame.

At any rate, obviously I've got the "hint" at least by that point.

Now you:
"This post proves beyond a doubt that you are either a bigger fucking idiot than I ever realized, or you simply didn't read Fink's post. Or maybe we're working with a language gap here. He explained in detail what you had to do to see if your images are working or not. [So you're saying I've missed something that he said... even though I just repeated just that above.] I was actually shocked myself to see him nicely and politely trying to help you, and extremely amused that you responded to his effort with hostility.

You CAN'T make sure it is in everyone elses caches. What you can do, and what Fink explained how to do, is figure out if the only reason you are seeing it is because it is in YOUR cache.  If hot linking isn't allowed for an image, and the host is going through an effort to keep it from being hot linked, then you just need to find that image in another location or resolve to use another image."

So that's all phrased as if I didn't get it, and thought I'd have to magically alter others' caches instead of WHAT I SAID ABOVE. No "as you guessed", no "yes, that was the idea", but lots of "you didn't read Frink's post" and "you need to do this, not this!" as if it was somehow new to me.




I mean, you know CP, if you want to express confirmation for someone's correct "guess" (which was less of a guess, than just a lazy admission of what I'd realized long before that), but phrase it UNAMBIGUOUSLY as if you were telling someone who had no clue, then maybe you're the one with the language problem.

I guess I'll believe you if you insist that's how you meant it, but, oh man.

Bingowings said:

He wasn't agile enough to do the disco moves of the PT but I bet he was agile enough to lift Mace up in the air and shake him like a ragdoll or shoot electricity out of his fingers, like he did in the ROTJ (something Dooku should never have been allowed to do).

Or  better still nimble enough to avoid every blade swipe just by clouding Mace's mind only to collapse on the floor and play dead in time for Anakin to run into the room and see Mace Allwaysonmycase pointing a sword at his mentor's fragile old body, convincing him that the Jedi really were nuts all along.

But I guess that wouldn't look disco enough.

That would've been cooler, I guess.
Although, as a matter of fact, they said they had originally conceived of (or shot) a scene where Palpatine's bluffing was made more obvious, but then decided to blur thing up. Still not sure whether it was a good move - I don't think it was.

Meh, I thought it worked.

But then... who am I?

CP3S said:

twooffour said:

I generally don't consider myself superior on ANYTHING, to ANYONE, before things get going, only when I HAPPEN to get into a situation where everyone around me seems to be acting like a complete dunce, and I can actually articulate and prove it time and time again.

I am sure it happens a lot. I bet it happens every single time you get in a conversation with someone.

Well, even that could be plausibly justified, if I had the habit to only get involved when someone posts something stupid and I want to put them down for that ;)

As it happens, though, your bet is wrong. In fact, I recently broke off (or put a "time-out" on) a Youtube discussion about a religious topic, because I realized I wasn't up to it.
Can I get your stuff now?

At any rate, fact remains - the one who can back up and defend their statements, has the high ground.
Even if it happened to me every time. Welcome to the world of reason.

CP3S said:

twooffour said:

CP3S said:

twooffour said:

Oh, but you know I was referring to you telling me I was meant to clear the cache and then look for another picture to post, when I had said exactly that in the same post you quoted :D

You said "I guess" that is what I need to do, and I was confirming it. No reasons I should feel stupid for that.

No, you were acting as if I hadn't thought of that. I don't care whom you put on ignore, but please stop being dishonest.

You CAN'T make sure it is in everyone elses caches. What you can do, and what Fink explained how to do, is figure out if the only reason you are seeing it is because it is in YOUR cache.  If hot linking isn't allowed for an image, and the host is going through an effort to keep it from being hot linked, then you just need to find that image in another location or resolve to use another image.

I guessed it, you confirmed it :DDD

 

How is that being dishonest, you stupid twat?

Sometimes I really, really, really, really, really, really hope what comes off as your stupidity is really just a result of English not being your first language, and nothing to do with a mental handicap. 

Heh, you shouldn't be talking about mental handicaps right now...

so let's get this straight, I say
"I guess I should avoid using those gifs and look for others", then you CLEARLY OVERLOOK THIS PART and insult me for not getting it, and after being called out on that... you claim you knew and just were "confirming" my "guess".

Well, I'd say the above quote in italics pretty much proves the opposite, so I call bull on that one. It's so obviously dishonest, it could pass for an example of dishonest denial on "internet argument wiki".

And the only way you could possibly argue against that, is by ANALYZING your post and demonstrating how it does fit with "confirming my guess", rather than "having missed it".
Not by hurling empty ad hominems at me.

But then again, you obviously can't do it, which is why you have nothing but ad hominems up your sleeve.
Transparent as a transparent thin fish from deep sea - give it up, bud :)

Bingowings said:

True if the characters, the story, the effects, the direction (aka the rest of the cinematic qualities of the films) were up to scratch the bizarre disco dance fighting would be a quibble (a quibble amplified by the brilliance of the rest of the film but still a quibble).

But when everything else is a mess and you can't even enjoy a compelling sword fight it's worse than annoying.

It's depressing.

I think what I disliked the most were some of the truly lamer choreographed parts, like the 2-on-1 beginning in ROTS, where it was obvious that the characters weren't even trying.

There were like at least 2-3 major opportunities for both Anakin, and then Obi-Wan, to cut Dooku while he was flipping around, all in a matter of a few seconds... they were just kinda swinging around looking bored and disengaged. That sucked.

Obi-Wan vs. Anakin, as well as most of Darth Maul (especially the two final parts) were quite good, I believe.

TV's Frink said:

twooffour said:

It's worthy to note, however, that the Windu vs. Palpatine duel had next to no acrobatics (only one short frame of CG Palps doing some frog flip against a desk), and it was one of the most tense, intense duels in the prequels.

All of Palpatine's terrible facial expressions would like a "word" with you.

Ironically, I had this very same exchange at the RLM boards, where I brought up how I liked the duel, and then someone increduously posted a series of silly facial expressions from both actors :D

My opinion is that they don't look terrible or silly when in the movie - you could say that about Palpatine, but he looks so damn evil and threatening at the same time, that it kinda stops mattering :)

CP3S said:

twooffour said:

Yea, happens all the time in real life.
If you didn't know that, and thought that majority decides accuracy, it's about time you realize it now.

Ah, I see. Majority doesn't choose accuracy, twooffour chooses accuracy. 

As I said, quit being disingenuous.

You bloody well know I said "backing up your claims by arguments and successfully defending them" is what determines accuracy / highground, NOT who says it.



I generally don't consider myself superior on ANYTHING, to ANYONE, before things get going, only when I HAPPEN to get into a situation where everyone around me seems to be acting like a complete dunce, and I can actually articulate and prove it time and time again.

With feats like this, the only way I won't be saying "you should feel stupid about this" is by being disproportionately polite. And that's not to my taste.


So after I said:

Trying to caricature that with an accusation of general blind arrogance, is just lame.

... there you are, doing it again.

So do you feel stupid now? ;)

CP3S said:

twooffour said:

Oh, but you know I was referring to you telling me I was meant to clear the cache and then look for another picture to post, when I had said exactly that in the same post you quoted :D

You said "I guess" that is what I need to do, and I was confirming it. No reasons I should feel stupid for that.

No, you were acting as if I hadn't thought of that. I don't care whom you put on ignore, but please stop being dishonest.

You CAN'T make sure it is in everyone elses caches. What you can do, and what Fink explained how to do, is figure out if the only reason you are seeing it is because it is in YOUR cache.  If hot linking isn't allowed for an image, and the host is going through an effort to keep it from being hot linked, then you just need to find that image in another location or resolve to use another image.

I guessed it, you confirmed it :DDD

There was a rabbit-shaped black whole of nothing flipping around :D

Ha, what you gonna say now??

xhonzi said:

TV's Frink said:

Carp.  Speed read fail.

Well, that's something that doesn't really bother me about the prequels.  All we see in the OT is an old man, a newbie, and a machine.  Doesn't it at least sort of make sense to have different styles, even if that wasn't the real reason it was done?

No, this argument stinks to high heaven.

As was already said in this thread, how much older is Christopher Lee than Obi-Wan?  How much more robotic is Grevious than Vader?  How much more newb is *any lightsabre kid that we see twirling* than RotJ Luke?

I must say, this whole issue of speedier fighting styles is probably one of the least thing that "bothers" me about the prequels, if at all.

Why? Because we all know, if the characters and the movies were good, no one would've minded some fast twirling moves. It's only because those things fell so flat, that everyone starts noticing how the fast moves compensate for characters.
Had the OT had hack plot and characters exchanging clichéd hammy lines during the duels, everyone would've laughed the awkward slow fencing out of the cinema. Certainly ANH.


As for the "technicalities", I guess I don't see a problem, either. I agree it was probably more of an excuse to have speedy cool battles than anything else, but it kinda works.

Ben was out of practice, Dooku in the middle of his thing. He also didn't look as old as Ben.
Vader vs. Grievous is the same as C-3PO vs. battle droids. Will I really bring C's clumsiness to "debunk" cool fighting robots set in an earlier time? Nah. Vader still had his torso, or it was worse technology, who cares.

Luke wasn't as properly trained as the kids at the Temple, in fact where did we ever see him training with a lightsaber? So I don't care about that.


It's worthy to note, however, that the Windu vs. Palpatine duel had next to no acrobatics (only one short frame of CG Palps doing some frog flip against a desk), and it was one of the most tense, intense duels in the prequels.

lordsidi said:

That's why we cheered...yes ,cheered when Anakin/Vader lifted him up and threw him to his death. How often do you hear a cheer from audiences today?

Well, I saw TPM 5 times, and everytime Darth Maul died, the audience clapped.
Darth Maul was cool, though.

Same with the Uber Uruk from LOTR1 - although the clapping was preceded by laughter ;)

I can't see the rabbit...

Wait... caption's right, picture's right... everything's right!

It may be a very inappropriate example.
But The Matrix Online suffered immensely from both problems.

Basically, there were three human player organizations, Zion, Machines, and Merovingian, and you only got to play inside the Matrix.
Important things like where their respective real world bases were, weren't included in the exposition, but then some character in some quest or live event dropped some "as you know" line about how something worked, and, well, it was lame.

It remained a rather obscure game and all that's left of it in terms of documentation, are various collections of fansite material, and I don't remember it quite well myself.
So I'm not gonna beat this for any longer, but it was just something that came to mind.

Can't think of any movies right now...

TV's Frink said:

That's not the problem here.  You are the problem here.

Your mom's the problem, now go away.

Get LOST :D