The Special Edition of The Wizard Of Oz is proof of what a Special Edition is supposed to be.
What’s so special about it?
Is it possible to use another source to fill in for the missing frames? I know the purpose is to preserve the film, but there are missing frames, which is unfortunate. It seems to be just under 5 seconds missing…could (gasp) GOUT frames upscaled be used to fill in these gaps? Obviously not a great solution, but would it be better than black frames to get it GOUT synced?
See my comment above about rate extention/frame blending. If that doesn’t work, I really think the best option for ‘viewability’ would just be to modify audio tracks as needed. Having our GOUT standard is invaluable for many projects. But if this (or the v1.5) is going to be people’s go-to copy to watch, I think it’s probably the way to go.
I do not think filling in with GOUT frames is going to be any less distracting than black ones. Duplicated frames could work for single ones dropped, depending on the shot, but I would not go beyond that.
It is possible to sync TN1’s restauration with the GOUT near losslessly by only reencoding a few frames around the cutting points. This is not trivial on the technical side though (the way H264 compresses videos is the reason for it), and therefore only a few video editors are able to do this so called “Smart Encoding” without issues. SmartCutter is probably the best one.
Not sure if Smart Encoding is similar but there are few enough frames missing that I wonder if something like (in premiere) rate extending for a very short duration before or after the missing frames and enabling frame blending for that extended portion would work.
I’ve had decent luck with that technique for other purposes. It wouldn’t be ideal or frame accurate (for those very short portions) but anything should be less jarring than blank or repeated frames. May give it a shot once v1.5 is out. But it’s still great that there’s a fix for people who need or want an alternate dub right now.
Syncing the negative1 version to the GOUT and color correcting it to match Harmy’s reference material would produce a nice copy of the film. As it stands the colors on the negative1 version seem initial. (Their color correction removed most of the red tint, but it ultimately doesn’t look very great).
The Eastman and IBtech colors are two different beasts. I don’t think this release should be made to look like a Tech, as nice as the color is on those prints.
I think this release could use a few tweaks in some of the low-lighting interior scenes, but overall it looks great considering how difficult it is to correct something like this.
I can’t wait to get this. The 4K version is supposed be finished too. Who do I have to sell to slavery to get into that screening?
You’re talking about Mike Verta’s? Just wanted to be clear that you’re discussing a totally different project before people start making the wrong conclusion.
The previews are early just that, early versions of what will be used in the ‘Sanitized’ version, we just didn’t have a name at the time.
Team Negative1
That’s reassuring. Those previews looked pretty good as far as color and cleanup goes. Not perfect, but quite watchable given that you say it was a one person job. Hopefully that one person works on the Fujis.
It does suffer from not having Despecialized’s colour correction, even if you said that one needed improvement.
Different strokes. TN1’s will look more like Eastman prints did in theaters (the way most people probably saw it), albeit flawed in a few scenes. Harmy’s resembles a technicolor. Still meant to look like an original print, and also flawed in some places.
So the cleaned up reel previews we’ve seen are from the forthcoming full release rather than sanitized?
Is this implying something???
Team Negative 1’s release.
So what differentiates the Sanitized version from the Silver Screen version?
Maybe they’re only going so far with this one (and more automated rather than manual) since the other Fuji print is planned for end game.
Or maybe every release will have a unique name.
As I asked earlier… Can someone point me how to GOUT sync this monster? I would love to watch this with my dad in our foreign language. Will the BD release sync to GOUT, so I would wait… 😉?
Thank you guys!
I’m almost done with a 720p re-encode of this that is gout-synced. It looks like it will weigh in around 9-10 GB with the dts mono mix included. If there is interest I will up it to the spleen.
What did you do about the missing frames?
You mean like this guy?
It’ll be nice to be able to easily do it. But if you really need to, you can grab the post ID by quoting the post.
This is awesome. Any chance of a version above 25 GB? 25 GB is a little small for a 1080p movie; especially one with grain. Criterion releases of grainy movies are regularly 40+ GB.
There are no plans to release any versions bigger than 25 G, due to negligible differences in quality.Also,most people don’t have double layer bluray burners or media.
Team Negative1
I know you guys don’t want to release a 50gb image and I’m not trying to convince you.
But dual layer capable burners have been common for years (as common as blu-ray burners can get at least). I think plenty or most of the people around here who burn discs can do DL. I’ve burned all of Schorman’s ~35gb+ preservations as well as BTTF and a few others.
Furthermore, there are people around here who buy BD burners just for the sake of preservations. Some will do so for yours. They can simply make sure the thing they buy on Amazon or wherever says it can do DL, and it won’t cost them anything extra. Though the discs are closer to $2 for Verbatims, rather than $1 single layer.
It’s really interesting to see the lightsaber duel in this print. Aside from the color, the shapes of the sabers really resemble the SE more than I expected for many shots. I always kind of liked the thicker blinding glow of Obiwan’s saber as in the GOUT and Harmy’s version. But it seems that the core was clearer than expected, rather than a more diffuse glow.
Very minor request: If you guys are able to release a blu-ray cover with your BD ISO that has normal blu-ray case spine width, that would be very much appreciated. The neat fading effect you have on the slim case design makes it so it can’t really be modified for other spines.
Sounds reasonable.
Lol, the meme is gaining traction.
The meme of people being reasonable about other things being reasonable? I don’t think the internet was built for that kind of thing.
VLC has no problem playing it. Haven’t tried to burn to blu-ray yet. Would one want to change fps in tsmuxer or leave it?
edit: I will of course just wait until the iso version, mainly because they will tweak a few things. But I’m just curious.
Yes, VLC says the same for me.
The movie itself is a 21Gb .mkv file.
Thank you for the correction. 😃
I’m perplexed. Why is the release in dozens of files, cryptically hard to find, most of the threads devoid of links, hosted on a random site, requiring a questionable downloader, and maybe a password?
I have no idea what you’re talking about. Jdownloader is not ‘questionable’ if that’s what you’re talking about. If the multiple files you are talking about are rars (I’m not sure if it’s in that format yet?), that is a standard format for large downloads. If downloading by http, you do not want a 24gb file to crap out on you, and rars have the benefit of letting you know if something was corrupted.
Seems like many are frustrated, including me obviously. How about a single MKV download / torrent file for those who are not experts?
It seems like it’s mostly you. But your post will probably be the first of many, so I’m sure you’re right. If you’re not a member on the torrent site it’s on, where it’s a single MKV, then maybe you could try waiting even 24 hours or beyond for it to inevitably be posted to one of the sites you use.
We also do not post links here, because we are happy to not be shut down. These things are mildly tricky to distribute, because they are not what you would call perfectly legal. I’m sure we would all love to have a simple link to give you, or a youtube stream. It is not that straightforward for obvious reasons.
Oh really? Cool. Now I just need to get an invite to MySpleen. I think I saw a thread saying how to do that on here somewhere…
Thank you!
Check your private messages.
Thanks for this !!! 😄 Really happy it’s finally here.
One question: Aside from the extra audio tracks, will there be any differences between the MKV and the upcoming ISO? Thanks !
Yes, there will be further cleanup, and possibly a minor color correction on a scene or two.
Team Negative1
If there’s going to be further color correction, I’d suggest working on the scene in Ben’s hut. The colors are all over the place. Some shots look relatively good, but in others, the faces are practically purple.
I agree. It seems that some of the low-lighting interior scenes look a bit off, as if some red fade is still apparent. The scene where they meet Han is similar, as well as the first scene in the garage with the droids/leia hologram (to a lesser extent).
I’ve done a couple tests like that (actually replacing all of the mos eisley entry scene). It works okay and some shots end up improved, but it’s very noticeably a different source and look from the rest of the film. I would not consider inserting quick shots from TN1 for the sake of color.
I would use TN1 as a color ref or even with Dre’s tool.
It has the benefit of being more consistent and having fairly natural color. But I think it would strongly stand apart from every other thing in your set. It’s a very different kind of experience.
Looks pretty good. I am again impressed with what you’ve done with the color. A little bit of weave and damage, but nothing that should bother someone interested in a 35mm preservation.
Is the grain cleaned up at variable levels depending on the shot, or is what we’re looking at all representative of the original print?
There was no grain clean up at all so this is representative of the original print. Some shots are just grainier than others. Obviously shots that include transitions or Special Effects are grainier due to the multiple passes the film took through the optical printer. Luckily though, even compressed to 25 GB, the grain moves freely so it is not as distracting as the frozen in place grain seen on GOUT upscales.
That’s what I figured. We all know how grainy certain effect shots are due to extra duplications, but it’s interesting to see it on other shots here and there with the same level (C-3PO in the desert for a shot or two for example).